Just ordered a Ganzo g710

Nasty Renegade said:
English is not my first language, so I've read that quote multiple times and I honestly can't see that it refers to anything but sales. Where does it say that it's forbidden to talk about the subject?
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You are absolutely correct. No where in forum rules does it forbid members from talking about clones, copies, etc.

However, some members have taken it upon themselves to interpret the rules to mean we should not even talk about them and verbally attack those who do.

Just my opinion.
 
Don't worry about the delicate flowers who get so hurt by copied knives.

Ganzo knives are reputed to be decent quality. I've only seen one, and it seemed to be pretty well put together. But I've never owned one. Their switchblades are supposed to be pretty decent, too. No, they are not counterfeits. They do at the very least copy elements from various respected knife companies. If that's a problem for you, it's a problem. If not, it's not.
 
shecky said:
Ganzo...They do at the very least copy elements from various respected knife companies...
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Not to nitpick here but they do at the very least exactly copy complete patterns from various respected knife companies.
 
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jazub said:
Not to nitpick here but they do at the very least exactly copy complete patterns from respected knife companies.
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"Counterfeit" implies they are trying to pass them off as the real deal.

Maybe one could claim it's a counterfeit Axis lock on a knockoff knife.

However, as I mentioned, they are currently advertising their Axis copy as the "G-Lock".
 
Goosey said:
"Counterfeit" implies they are trying to pass them off as the real deal.

Maybe one could claim it's a counterfeit Axis lock on a knockoff knife.

However, as I mentioned, they are currently advertising their Axis copy as the "G-Lock".
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Who wrote "counterfeit"? You. I wrote that they are exactly copying complete patterns. That is a chickenshit thing to do. I didn't discuss how they are branding their chickenshit product.
 
I was given a g738 as a gift by a well meaning family member. I kept it, as it is a gift and I will see this person a lot, they are the kind of person that will ask me about it.....
Came razor sharp....and I haven't been able to keep it sharp since. Seems well built and looks knife, but the mystery steel that is supposedly 440c is crap.
As others have said....save and buy the real thing.....and....you don't have to spend a lot for s good knife. The rat 1 and 2 are some of the best deals around.
 
Angus McGunnigle said:
I was given a g738 as a gift by a well meaning family member. I kept it, as it is a gift and I will see this person a lot, they are the kind of person that will ask me about it.....
Came razor sharp....and I haven't been able to keep it sharp since. Seems well built and looks knife, but the mystery steel that is supposedly 440c is crap.
As others have said....save and buy the real thing.....and....you don't have to spend a lot for s good knife. The rat 1 and 2 are some of the best deals around.
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I see what you did there. ;)
 
Just a thought here....I prefer companies coming up with their own stuff too but.....

Patents and trademarks are territorial and must be filed in each country where protection is sought. A U.S. patent or trademark does not afford protection in another country. ... For information about filing an international patent application under the PCT, visit the USPTO website: Click here .Jul 4, 2009

https://www.uspto.gov/patents-getti...n/protecting-intellectual-property-rights-ipr
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Unless the Axis lock and/or any designs/features are INTERNATIONALLY patented....... Ganzo (or any other company outside of the US) can basically copy all they want.....as long as they don't market in the US from what I understand.
 
If a member outside of the US posts about his Ganzo with the barrel lock, is it breaking the rules?
(BTW-after finally finding the rules, I was unable to find the one that states discussion of stuff like this is verboten. It may not hurt to include links when referencing forum rules, especially when neophytes are involved in the discussion).
 
This is the funniest thread Ive read in a while, im loving craytab's posts.
Lets consider for a second that people can buy what they want.
People can have different opinions. And thats ok.
The mindset of "you either agree wih me or your wrong" is destructive to the community.
 
Gravy said:
The mindset of "you either agree wih me or your wrong" is destructive to the community.
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And so are counterfeits/knockoffs. In fact, the "management" here has explicitly stated that that is their opinion also.

They have not said the same about "you either agree wih me or your wrong".
 
What the clone (which is what Ganzos are) buyers either don't understand, or don't care about, is that if enough people support the clone makers (intellectual property thieves), there will eventually be no original designs to steal.
 
Gravy said:
This is the funniest thread Ive read in a while, im loving craytab's posts.
Lets consider for a second that people can buy what they want.
People can have different opinions. And thats ok.
The mindset of "you either agree wih me or your wrong" is destructive to the community.
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I think that some people seem to come across a little strong because they feel so strongly about the threat that clones, counterfeits and knock-offs pose to the industry and our common hobby. I'm always willing to overlook someone having strong words because of the conviction of their beliefs, regardless about what those beliefs may be.

I don't think anyone is trying to say discussion of this topic is against forum rules, but it's very clear that selling them is against the rules. Sometimes discussions of these knives can trend into marketing for these knives, particularly when they receive unreserved testimonials from forum members. That's when discussion becomes gray and subject to closer review.

Even the staunchest opponents of clones, counterfeits and knock-offs would be hard pressed to deny that a knife like Ganzo appears to offer high-value, but that high-value is only an illusion. If Ganzo produced knives with the burden of design, development, testing, marketing, not to mention employee benefits and other fixed costs, that apparent value would disappear like a morning fog. To not understand that fact is ignorance on the part of those who trumpet these knives. That "trumpeted ignorance" is what offends those who understand the threat that clones and compromise pose to the industry and hobby, hence the divide. This is how we get to where we currently are.

I support anyone's right to own what they want, use what they want and spend their money on what they want. Bless you in your pursuit of happiness. I don't think less of you if you choose to buy a Ganzo because of the apparent value you think you get. If you endorse these knives here among informed enthusiasts and hold them up as a value alternative, I have my right to see you for the uninformed consumer that you are. In return, you're free to think me a jerk. Let's just be uninformed jerks who play well together...
 
marcinek said:
And so are counterfeits/knockoffs. In fact, the "management" here has explicitly stated that that is their opinion also.

They have not said the same about "you either agree wih me or your wrong".
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I agree with you that clones are destructive. Thats pretty much undeniable.

Im not sure I understand your second point. I think it's fine that the management might not agree with my statement, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
 
A most EXCELLENT post H&S!!! Most excellent!!
That's the way to get a touchy point across and I hope it will be understood and appreciated.
👍👍👍
Joe
 
i wont buy cheap knives for multiple reasons, clones are even worse in my mind because they are trying to use someone elses design to profit, as its less R&D and they have taken a design that already sells well, so its 2 fold as an advantage to the shady business doing it.

however China's culture is to copy anything and everything.

anyways, i dont mind as much about knives that appear the same as other production blades as they are lesser quality and cheap materials and almost zero quality control etc. as long as it doesnt have the original makers marks i dont really care so much. i dont like it regardless tho.

if someone just wants a blade to cut and they dont care about quality etc and they want it cheap as possible, why does it have to be a design that looks the same as one that cost alot more?

again i only buy quality knives, quality steel quality cnc, quality materials and original designs. i will pay more for it. i will avoid the boker's, ckrt's etc made in china and all the replica/copies or whatever you want to call them that resemble something else. i get why people buy cheap junk, nothing any of us say will make the masses of sheep stop buying this junk. to them a knife is a knife, its just a tool to cut something and nothing more. however it does perturb me that some of these people say its the same thing as something else for way cheaper. thats asinine as its completely different in every way besides the way it looks. it may function similarly (eg opening and closing) but often not.
 
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Good point Mo.
There was a thread recently where a member was stating his clone did everything the original did. He also stated the company selling the original was robbing people because if Gonzo can sell it for $16.99 so can the maker of the original.
How do you deal with these dip sticks?? Just pisses me off how someone can be so incredibly narrow minded.
Joe
 
Wow. I feel like I'm in the confessional. I don't WANT to say anything, but if I don't, I may go to knife-enthusiasts hell (8th circle, Fraud, coming right up. Watch your step...).
I have a decent-sized collection including 5 ZTs and 3 Benchmades, but recently I've been trying to weed out those I don't use and trade for something I will. Both my Benchmade 860 and 950 went to new homes recently, BUT, not wanting to experience a total loss, I decided to replace both with their Ganzo equivalents. In my defense, I actually like the Ganzo version of the 860 better and EDC it on occasion. It's smaller than the Benchmade and just fits in the pocket better. The materials and fit and finish aren't even close to the original, but that's kind of the point. I didn't really need to kill someone (which would mean even more time in the confessional), I just wanted to open some mail and slice some fruit while still enjoying the visual aesthetics of a Persian style blade. I HAD the original, it was just too heavy and bulky for edc...for me.
How many Our Father's and Hail Mary's do I have to say now?
 
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