Just ordered a Ganzo g710

This thing with Ganzo and Benchmade makes me wonder how Barlow felt when everyone started copying his knife. Companies even put 'Barlow' on the bolster.
I don't think I could ever buy a Ganzo, but you know for every yahoo that's on BF telling how they like their Ganzo, there are probably a thousand buying Ganzo. If BM had legitimate claim of a patent the Ganzo knives couldn't be sold in America. Patents expire, barbarians take the gate and make copies. I do wish Ganzo wasn't so blatant, at least sell a knife that doesn't look like a ripoff.
 
Gravy said:
The mindset of "you either agree wih me or your wrong" is destructive to the community.
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If you believe something, regardless of the scope or passion of that belief, you, by necessity, believe that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong. That's how it works.
 
palonej said:
Good point Mo.
There was a thread recently where a member was stating his clone did everything the original did. He also stated the company selling the original was robbing people because if Gonzo can sell it for $16.99 so can the maker of the original.
How do you deal with these dip sticks?? Just pisses me off how someone can be so incredibly narrow minded.
Joe
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i just say...
cant fix stupid
 
I think many who don't mind ideas being stolen and profited from have not experienced it...
From what I can tell, more people have illegally downloaded my book than bought it; this gives me a different feel on the Ganzo knives thing than some others.
I feel that Ganzo knives would be quite appropriate as a choice for castrating all those dicks who illegally downloaded my book.

It would be downright poetic. :thumbup:
 
stabman said:
I think many who don't mind ideas being stolen and profited from have not experienced it...
From what I can tell, more people have illegally downloaded my book than bought it; this gives me a different feel on the Ganzo knives thing than some others.
I feel that Ganzo knives would be quite appropriate as a choice for castrating all those dicks who illegally downloaded my book.

It would be downright poetic. :thumbup:
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Cut 100 or so linear feet of cardboard first, so they're nice and dull. That sucks, man.
 
stabman said:
I think many who don't mind ideas being stolen and profited from have not experienced it...
From what I can tell, more people have illegally downloaded my book than bought it; this gives me a different feel on the Ganzo knives thing than some others.
I feel that Ganzo knives would be quite appropriate as a choice for castrating all those dicks who illegally downloaded my book.

It would be downright poetic. :thumbup:
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And then give them a Band-Aid clone that doesn't stick until you want it to come off ;)
 
marcinek said:
And so are counterfeits/knockoffs. In fact, the "management" here has explicitly stated that that is their opinion also.

They have not said the same about "you either agree wih me or your wrong".
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The "management" sells knives that are illegal in the US.
How is that reconciled against this whole issue of clones. counterfeits, copies, knockoffs, homages, etc.?
 
robgmn said:
The "management" sells knives that are illegal in the US.
How is that reconciled against this whole issue of clones. counterfeits, copies, knockoffs, homages, etc.?
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The "management" doesn't sell knives. I think you're confusing peer to peer transactions with retail and wholesale marketing. The "management" doesn't do anything more than facilitate a transaction by providing a wall to write on.

They DO sell T-shirts and stickers and such. I hope those are legit...
 
Hackenslash said:
The "management" doesn't sell knives. I think you're confusing peer to peer transactions with retail and wholesale marketing. The "management" doesn't do anything more than facilitate a transaction by providing a wall to write on.

They DO sell T-shirts and stickers and such. I hope those are legit...
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I was considering making some counterfeit Blade Forum T-Shirts, I s'pose I can scratch you off the customer list, huh?
 
Patents can be renewed. IMO, Benchmade Knife Comp probably decided that pursuing litigation might have limited, or potentially negative influence on their financial health. Also, small changes in design can get around patents, as well as the fact that you have to file for patents in each country individually to be enforced in those countries (some countries work in groups for patent applications).

Personally, I don't think that's the issue. When you run an American business, there are many legal responsibilities you need to fulfill. Many of these add a LOT to costs. Annual licenses and registrations, accounting, insurance, unemployment, training, changing legal requirements (although aimed at big businesses, their are thousands more small businesses that have a hard time keeping up with these policies financially), etc.

Many countries where these products are coming out of at cheaper prices have less requirements, whether it be safety, health insurance, minimum wage, sanitary conditions, over time, etc. Of course they can sell the product for less. If we want to fight for better conditions and pay for workers in the U.S., we can't vote with our paycheck for products that don't have these costs factored in. This is before comparing mass produced goods to hand-made products, quality control, bulk purchases, customer service, and product liabilities.

Yes, many things we purchase today are partially made in other countries. Even services, e.g. call centers are being outsourced more and more (even some local state/county governments have outsourced their call centers offshore). I can't always afford to purchase American made, high quality products. However, I am fully cognizant that if/when I purchase a copy that it is hurting American workers, like myself, and slowly increasing the percentage of parts companies will make out of the country. I just wish more people would keep that in mind instead of saying "I can get more" if I purchase these offshore products. Either that, or stop complaining about U.S. minimum wage, bad working conditions, worker safety, and full-time benefits.
 
robgmn said:
The "management" sells knives that are illegal in the US.
How is that reconciled against this whole issue of clones. counterfeits, copies, knockoffs, homages, etc.?
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And what knives would those be and which laws have been broken?
 
Comparative advantage makes everyone better off. If you only support the companies that support you. You'll have a list that is shorter than you think. I prefer domestic designs and production, you spend your money how you want.
 
People test these ganzos out on YouTube and the axis lock their knives sport is garbage
 
Planterz said:
And what knives would those be and which laws have been broken?
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Automatic knives sold by OneStopKnifeShop.com (owned by Kevin Schlossberg, who also owns Bladeforums.com).
Automatic knife sales and shipping are banned by Federal law under the Federal Switchblade Act.
Local statute may say they are legal, but Federal law can still be used to bring criminal suit (much like the current struggle for legality of marijuana - Colorado says it's legal, but the Feds can bust you for it).
 
robgmn said:
Automatic knives sold by OneStopKnifeShop.com (owned by Kevin Schlossberg, who also owns Bladeforums.com).
Automatic knife sales and shipping are banned by Federal law under the Federal Switchblade Act.
Local statute may say they are legal, but Federal law can still be used to bring criminal suit (much like the current struggle for legality of marijuana - Colorado says it's legal, but the Feds can bust you for it).
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Source please. You're naming names and pointing fingers. Please don't base this on US switchblade law, which all parties concede are a convoluted mess. ALL major knife retailers sell auto knives across state lines with the understanding that federal law dating to 1958 needs to be fixed. All that matters are state to state laws and not shipping to the wrong state.

Bring a better gun if that's your ammo.
 
And...what does your bone to pick with the owners and managers of Blade Forums have to do with clone knives. Do you need to start a new thread? Serious Bro, this sounds interesting but not really what we're talking about. I'd love to hear more.
 
Hackenslash said:
Source please. You're naming names and pointing fingers. Please don't base this on US switchblade law, which all parties concede is a convoluted mess. ALL major knife retailers sell auto knives across state lines with the understanding that federal law dating to 1958 needs to be fixed. All that matters are state to state laws and not shipping to the wrong state.

Bring a better gun if that's your ammo.
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Sorry, but the belief that a law "needs to be fixed" does NOT invalidate a law.
When the national speed limit was 55MPH, you didn't get out of a speeding ticket by "knowing" that the law needed to be updated.
In New York City, you don't get to buy and carry a pistol just because the retailers know the law "needs to be fixed".
The legal system in our country doesn't quite work that way.

If you you don't think my ammo is any good, I'll ask you to refute the following with something a LOT better than an "understanding that federal law dating back to 1958 needs to be fixed".

The Federal Switchblade Knife Act is in force and state statute does not invalidate the Act. It was last amended in 2009 to clarify that some knives are NOT considered switchblades.
Auto knives were NOT among the list.
In 2009.

My source is the actual text of the current Switchblade Knife Act:
Switchblade Knife Act (15 U.S.C. §§1241-1245): https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/chapter-29
"Whoever knowingly introduces, or manufactures for introduction, into interstate commerce, or transports or distributes in interstate commerce, any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(Pub. L. 85–623, § 2, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562.)"

This means it is illegal. Were it not, there could be no fine or imprisonment. The five-year imprisonment potential puts it well into the category of a felony .

If you are asking for sources on the ownership of this website and whether the ownership sells knives:
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Registrar Abuse Contact Email: email@web.com
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Reseller:
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Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Schlossberg, Kevin
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Registrant Phone Ext:
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Registrant Email: email@bladeforums.com
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Schlossberg, Kevin


Domain Name: ONESTOPKNIFESHOP.COM
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Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
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Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Registrar IANA ID: 2
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: email@web.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8003337680
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Schlossberg, Kevin
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 921 BARRET AVE # 21588500
Registrant City: LOUISVILLE
Registrant State/Province: KY
Registrant Postal Code: 40204-2062
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.5026715510
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.5026715560
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: [B]email@bladeforums.com[/B]
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Schlossberg, Kevin
Admin Organization:
Admin Street: 921 BARRET AVE # 21588500
Admin City: LOUISVILLE
Admin State/Province: KY
Admin Postal Code: 40204-2062
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: +1.5026715510
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +1.5026715560
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: [B]email@bladeforums.com[[/B]/email]
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: [B]Schlossberg, Kevin[/B]
Tech Organization:
Tech Street: 921 BARRET AVE # 21588500
Tech City: LOUISVILLE
Tech State/Province: KY
Tech Postal Code: 40204-2062
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.5026715510
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Is that the ammo you are looking for?
'Seems rather solid to me.
 
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