Just ordered a Ganzo g710

Like I said before, if you have a bone to pick with BF, start a thread. I have no idea what you just posted. We're talking about clone knives here. So are you saying that BF makes and sells clone auto knives? I'd love to hear more of what you have to say, but please present it in a format that's relevant to our talking points. If your point is about the duplicity of our world...well...then all I can do is welcome you to adulthood. Life isn't fair, it's just fairer than death.
 
Hackenslash said:
Like I said before, if you have a bone to pick with BF, start a thread. I have no idea what you just posted. We're talking about clone knives here. So are you saying that BF makes and sells clone auto knives? I'd love to hear more of what you have to say, but please present it in a format that's relevant to our talking points. If your point is about the duplicity of our world...well...then all I can do is welcome you to adulthood. Life isn't fair, it's just fairer than death.
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He's saying that the owner of Bladeforums (who also own One Stop Knife Shop) sells auto knives.

So he thinks that means that the guy cannot say we shouldn't be selling counterfeit knives...

I think it is a silly position to take, and borders on mod/owner sass.
But then again, I think rain is wet, so my opinions are highly suspect. ;)
 
stabman said:
He's saying that the owner of Bladeforums (who also own One Stop Knife Shop) sells auto knives.

So he thinks that means that the guy cannot say we shouldn't be selling counterfeit knives...

I think it is a silly position to take, and borders on mod/owner sass.
But then again, I think rain is wet, so my opinions are highly suspect. ;)
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Quit yer bitchin'. You just got a free and totally awesome ZT. You should be basking in the glow of it, rather than wallowing in the mud with the trolls!:p
 
19-3ben said:
Quit yer bitchin'. You just got a free and totally awesome ZT. You should be basking in the glow of it, rather than wallowing in the mud with the trolls!:p
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I am basking. :)
Just posted a few more pics from today in the thread about it.
No toads out (too cold for them), but there was a snail...hopefully that will satisfy folks. :D

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robgmn said:
Automatic knives sold by OneStopKnifeShop.com (owned by Kevin Schlossberg, who also owns Bladeforums.com).
Automatic knife sales and shipping are banned by Federal law under the Federal Switchblade Act.
Local statute may say they are legal, but Federal law can still be used to bring criminal suit (much like the current struggle for legality of marijuana - Colorado says it's legal, but the Feds can bust you for it).
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You are erroneous and deficient in your understanding of these laws. I will not waste my time educating you on this. Do it yourself. Also, the questionable legality of weed is not a "much like" comparison to make.
 
klute said:
link?
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I don't know if your question was rhetorical or not. If you don't baton with your knife I'm sure you won't have to worry about the comparative strength of the real version of these knives.

4:00 fail... he still likes the knife
[video]https://youtu.be/QuDUy5mkjAM[/video]

4:20 fail
[video]https://youtu.be/TyJ7vLOyYTg[/video]

9:55 fail
[video]https://youtu.be/RYA_NcbVRE0[/video]

These videos are pretty easy to find if you actually attempt to find them.
 
The benefit of these clones are that they are getting better and better in terms of quality. Sucks for the established companies but it will force them to either lower their own prices or up their quality even more. We as consumers win either way. More options are better in my opinion. Not everyone can afford a real Spyderco Paramilitary 2. Though if you can I highly recommend it.
 
craytab said:
That just proves my point further that people are getting duped by ganzo's counterfeiting. So thanks :thumbup:
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What should people call it then? Do you also get angry when people call it a thermos instead of vacuum sealed mug? Or if someone asks for a Band-Aid instead of adhesive bandage?
 
robgmn said:
Sorry, but the belief that a law "needs to be fixed" does NOT invalidate a law.
When the national speed limit was 55MPH, you didn't get out of a speeding ticket by "knowing" that the law needed to be updated.
In New York City, you don't get to buy and carry a pistol just because the retailers know the law "needs to be fixed".
The legal system in our country doesn't quite work that way.

If you you don't think my ammo is any good, I'll ask you to refute the following with something a LOT better than an "understanding that federal law dating back to 1958 needs to be fixed".

The Federal Switchblade Knife Act is in force and state statute does not invalidate the Act. It was last amended in 2009 to clarify that some knives are NOT considered switchblades.
Auto knives were NOT among the list.
In 2009.

My source is the actual text of the current Switchblade Knife Act:
Switchblade Knife Act (15 U.S.C. §§1241-1245): https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/chapter-29
"Whoever knowingly introduces, or manufactures for introduction, into interstate commerce, or transports or distributes in interstate commerce, any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(Pub. L. 85–623, § 2, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562.)"

This means it is illegal. Were it not, there could be no fine or imprisonment. The five-year imprisonment potential puts it well into the category of a felony .
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Irrelevant to the discussion of clones, but you might want to read this:
http://www.onestopknifeshop.com/store/auto-law-form.html

Automatic Knife Law
Auto law release form.
IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL STATUTES:
Read carefully all conditions set forth below.
By placing an order with us, you agree that you meet any or all of the following criteria.
Federal law prohibits shipment of automatic knives across state lines, with the following exceptions:

(1) to civilian or Armed Forces supply or procurement officers and employees of the Federal Government ordering, procuring, or purchasing such knives in connection with the activities of the Federal Government;
(2) to supply or procurement officers of the National Guard, the Air National guard, or militia of a state, territory or the District of Columbia ordering, procuring, or purchasing such knives in the connection with the activities of such organization;
(3) to supply or procurement officers or employees of the municipal government of the District of Columbia or the government of any State or Territory, or any county, city or other political subdivision of a State or Territory; (4) to manufacturers of such knives or bona fide dealers therein in connection with any shipment made pursuant of an order from any person designated in paragraphs (1), (2), and (3).

1 Stop Knife Shop will sell no such knives to any individual outside the State of Kentucky without the above conditions being met. This does not apply to automatic knives made within the state of Kentucky.

Legal status of products: It is the responsibility of the buyer, not the seller, to ascertain, and obey, all applicable local, state, federal and international laws in regard to the possession, and use, of any item purchased from 1 Stop Knife Shop. All equipment is sold subject to public law 90-351, title III, U.S.D., Section 2511, and any local, state or federal ordinances. Consult your local and state laws before ordering if you are in doubt. Absolutely no sales to minors. By placing an order, the buyer represents that the products ordered will be used in a lawful manner and that the he/she is of legal age. 1 Stop Knife Shop will not be held liable for the misuse of any product purchased from us or any of our distributors & dealers. Also as no product is 100% effective against attack, 1 Stop Knife Shop assumes no responsibility if a product purchased from us is not effective in preventing bodily injury, dismemberment or death.

ANYONE attempting to falsify information or defraud our company in any way, WILL be turned over to the proper authorities. Any attempts at extortion or entrapment will also be met with swift legal action!
 
Scott321 said:
I don't know if your question was rhetorical or not. If you don't baton with your knife I'm sure you won't have to worry about the comparative strength of the real version of these knives.

4:00 fail... he still likes the knife
[video]https://youtu.be/QuDUy5mkjAM[/video]

4:20 fail
[video]https://youtu.be/TyJ7vLOyYTg[/video]

9:55 fail
[video]https://youtu.be/RYA_NcbVRE0[/video]

These videos are pretty easy to find if you actually attempt to find them.
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Um, first 2 vids the guys are batonning, didn't know Ganzo made knives to be pounded on with logs as in the 2nd video.

3rd video is Gen 1 knife with hollow stop pin, the Gen 2s have solid stop pins and the scales ground so the op can access the lock better.

I can pound on any Benchmade with the stick and the log in those videos and I bet I know what would happen, not sayin Ganzo is same quality but, ....

EDIT: and BY the WAY, I know about the Griptilian fan club and I saw the Benchmade video etc etc....hammering on a 2x4. Fine. I can make a video too I will only repeat what I said above about relative quality, ..but I won't now bcz I just did.
 
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mongomondo said:
Not everyone can afford a real Spyderco Paramilitary 2. Though if you can I highly recommend it.
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I hate this argument. As I, and many other members, have pointed out there are many, many reputable options that don't cost anywhere near what a Paramilitary 2 does. I've not been good about doing it lately, but if anyone asks for knife recommendations and gives a few specs and a budget on this forum I, and many, many others, will happily give suggestions. You can find a decent, non-clone knife at almost any price range, so I don't find, "If you can't afford the real thing, go ahead and buy a fake," to be any kind of excuse. If clones, counterfeits and fakes were the ONLY knives available for under $30? Then it might hold some water, but with Ozark Trail offering original designs for $4, I'm fairly confident we can come up with something less expensive than a Para 2 that will still meet their needs.
 
klute said:
Um, first 2 vids the guys are batonning, didn't know Ganzo made knives to be pounded on with logs as in the 2nd video.

3rd video is Gen 1 knife with hollow stop pin, the Gen 2s have solid stop pins and the scales ground so the op can access the lock better.

I can pound on any Benchmade with the stick and the log in those videos and I bet I know what would happen, not sayin Ganzo is same quality but, ....

EDIT: and BY the WAY, I know about the Griptilian fan club and I saw the Benchmade video etc etc....hammering on a 2x4. Fine. I can make a video too I will only repeat what I said above about relative quality, ..but I won't now bcz I just did.
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Nope, you lose. BM wins though :)

[video=youtube;b3X64SYObO8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3X64SYObO8[/video]

698 inch-pounds to defeat a real axis lock bud. Now back to that Ganzo.........

Average human with leverage can get about 200 inch-pounds on a wrench max. Log bashing would be significantly less.

Ganzo not so good. No likely Ganzo. Ganzo steal and made poorly. Go to Ganzo club on internet out of bladeforums.
 
Average human with leverage can get about 200 inch-pounds on a wrench max

I can put alot more on a wrench than that sport and not just because I'm a Mechanic, it's because your math sux, as far as a Ganzo club goes what kinda kind are you smokin? Better yet, where can I get some?

I will repeat what I ALREADY repeated, even though I said I had repeated it and that I wouldn't...IM NOT SAYING GANZO IS BETTER QUALITY

so Insert. That. In. Your. Pipe. And. Ignite. It. :emot-yarr:
 
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My point is, just what does constitute support of thievery? Businesses steal from anywhere they can including wage theft to deliver their product at a desirable cost to the consumer. Any waking adult should know the extent of thievery in business is far and wide and simply being in the game is theft.

Once again.. - I'm not a Ganzo fanboi.
 
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