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LARGE folder?
- Thread starter Sal Glesser
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I second the idea of a "supersized" Yojimbo. A 5" blade out of s30v, with compression lock, contoured g-10 handles. finger cutout in handle. It would be a serious knife! I would be in for one and it would provide martial artists with a great blade. Thanks. -Lev
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I'd dig a supersized ATR.
A larger knife should have the cobra hood, you might need a little extra leverage.
A larger knife should have the cobra hood, you might need a little extra leverage.
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I didn't read every post on this thread, so if someone mentioned this before I'm sorry . The concept of this is old, I've seen a few pics of antique Folding Bowies. I think the only one I've ever seen in person was a D-guard version that Harvey Dean had on his table at Blade 2001. I think it's a great way to get a big blade in a normal sized handle.
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has already an over 5 inch handle. Redesign the blade to be 4 inches or a little over. Usually, knives with 4 inch blades occupy a 5 inch handle. The ATR is your best knife in my opinion and with a 4 inch blade would make it a large folder as oppose to now 3 7/16?
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4.5" blade in spearpoint, Ti handle and S30V steel please!
The design of the Native puts a lot of knife into a relatively compact package.
A 4" blade of the Native design, with corresponding grip, would perform like a 5" blade of another design, all the while retaining the low profile and carryability of the Native.
Scale the Native up to 4", with attention to retaining the ergonomics and ambidexterity of the original Native, and give it MBC quality.
In regards to the MBC quality, I suggest skeletonized dual steel liners, a heavier-duty pivot, and the retention of the lockback.
However, Spyderco knows more about this than I do, and I could get enthusiastic about a large FRN Native if it would do the job, as long as it retained the lockback.
A 4" blade of the Native design, with corresponding grip, would perform like a 5" blade of another design, all the while retaining the low profile and carryability of the Native.
Scale the Native up to 4", with attention to retaining the ergonomics and ambidexterity of the original Native, and give it MBC quality.
In regards to the MBC quality, I suggest skeletonized dual steel liners, a heavier-duty pivot, and the retention of the lockback.
However, Spyderco knows more about this than I do, and I could get enthusiastic about a large FRN Native if it would do the job, as long as it retained the lockback.
My previous post in this thread was somewhat broad. After thinking more on the subject and reading the other posts, I will distill my wishes to one: an upsized Yojimbo, 4 to 5.5 inches of blade and G-10 handle scales. Front lock, frame lock, or compression lock; please, no plain liner lock. Of course a frame lock would indicate one side of the handle be metal, but the other could still be G-10, as Strider does with their frame locks.
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A folding 4.75"-5" Perrin with some sort of compression lock or ball lock would come close to perfect.
Now that I have my hands on a gunting, I have to say that a camp/survival folder with similar handle ergonomics and compression lock, sans horn, would be great. Something to put SERE 2000, AFCK/TSEK, and Emersons to flight. Would love to see a different blade in that handle, although I know the paramilitary is coming and will probably fill this role.
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Again, I'm with Ken, except I prefer the blade shape and handle ergos of the Native III 3D. Also, My Native III is too tight. So I would like to see the bigger knife NOT be as tight as the one I own.
I wanted to add that I like the big pivot pin idea also.
I wanted to add that I like the big pivot pin idea also.
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Dang, long thread! Hopefully Sal gets to my post before he falls asleep
Sal, while I think large folders could be useful as work folders, I find that whenever I would find a 5+" blade really useful, I can probably carry a fixed blade anyway (e.g., camping). I think these bigger folders make most sense as fighters -- viz. Vaquero Grande, Mad Maxx, Sifu, I think they all had the right general idea, it's not a camp knife.
My request would be to make sure the handle can be held in a variety of defensive grips -- forward, reverse edge-out, reverse edge-in. The main thing I dislike about the Sifu's handle is that the highly contoured handle can only be held forward or reverse edge-out.
Beyond that, you'll need a big, strong, reliable lock, which probably means an integral of some kind.
Sal, while I think large folders could be useful as work folders, I find that whenever I would find a 5+" blade really useful, I can probably carry a fixed blade anyway (e.g., camping). I think these bigger folders make most sense as fighters -- viz. Vaquero Grande, Mad Maxx, Sifu, I think they all had the right general idea, it's not a camp knife.
My request would be to make sure the handle can be held in a variety of defensive grips -- forward, reverse edge-out, reverse edge-in. The main thing I dislike about the Sifu's handle is that the highly contoured handle can only be held forward or reverse edge-out.
Beyond that, you'll need a big, strong, reliable lock, which probably means an integral of some kind.
I'd love to see a 5.5" or 6" blade folder from Spyderco.
Like many others have said if I need a utility knife that large, than I will get a fixed blade - but as a combative tool, I think a large folder has a lot of potential. You can carry a lot of blade in a smaller package than a fixed, this makes it easy to conceal and comfortable to carry day in and day out. The SpyderHole is arguably the fastest of any thumb-opener to access under stress, another advantage to a Spyderco made mega-folder. A lock system like the compression lock seems ideal to deal with the extra leverage that a large folder presents, and this could also make it possible to offer something similar to the RAD, with a sharpened false edge for those who would use the BackCut technique with a folder. Of all the locks out there I think I'd look to a compression lock to handle this sort of force before any other. So yes, I'd want it to be a fighter style - those who would carry such a large folder would seem to be those most interested in it for defense, just looking around the forums and looking at the guys I know who carry mega-folders.
The way I'd like to see it done is in a sort of clip point style, G-10 handles, dual liners, compression lock, S30V blade, with integral guards/horns (I know this is common with other popular mega-folders right now, but I think these have a purpose, for those who know how to use them as part of their defensive tool, and if nothing else for superior guard from other blades, and for hand security. Done right they could be like smaller Gunting ramps even).
Something like this, just to give you an idea of what I mean:
A second version of a Spyderco large folder could be done with a half-handle and kydex sheath, for a RAD type effect. The RAD isnt the first folder like that, as PhilL pointed out the late 1800's saw many folding bowies like this, so it would be cool to see Spyderco use the idea as well, even if in a limited run or something.
Just my thoughts.
Like many others have said if I need a utility knife that large, than I will get a fixed blade - but as a combative tool, I think a large folder has a lot of potential. You can carry a lot of blade in a smaller package than a fixed, this makes it easy to conceal and comfortable to carry day in and day out. The SpyderHole is arguably the fastest of any thumb-opener to access under stress, another advantage to a Spyderco made mega-folder. A lock system like the compression lock seems ideal to deal with the extra leverage that a large folder presents, and this could also make it possible to offer something similar to the RAD, with a sharpened false edge for those who would use the BackCut technique with a folder. Of all the locks out there I think I'd look to a compression lock to handle this sort of force before any other. So yes, I'd want it to be a fighter style - those who would carry such a large folder would seem to be those most interested in it for defense, just looking around the forums and looking at the guys I know who carry mega-folders.
The way I'd like to see it done is in a sort of clip point style, G-10 handles, dual liners, compression lock, S30V blade, with integral guards/horns (I know this is common with other popular mega-folders right now, but I think these have a purpose, for those who know how to use them as part of their defensive tool, and if nothing else for superior guard from other blades, and for hand security. Done right they could be like smaller Gunting ramps even).
Something like this, just to give you an idea of what I mean:
A second version of a Spyderco large folder could be done with a half-handle and kydex sheath, for a RAD type effect. The RAD isnt the first folder like that, as PhilL pointed out the late 1800's saw many folding bowies like this, so it would be cool to see Spyderco use the idea as well, even if in a limited run or something.
Just my thoughts.
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Not really a big fan of large folders, but Ken's descriptions of a Native Chief intrigued me, so I took the liberty of fooling around a bit in Xara X to see what one might look like. Length is 4/3 original, so blade would be about 4 3/16", increased width by about 10% beacause it looked odd with no increase in width and a full 1/3 increase looked even worse to me. Left the FRN handle, but bet G10 would look even better, especially if they set it up for deep tip down carry (like the FRN Calypso Jr). Yeah, I'd buy one!
