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You know, I am pretty disappointed in you guys. Not for disagreeing with the views expressed, but for the personal nature of some of the statements. I don't care if someone else started it, I expect higher from you guys, especially some of the more senior forumites.

Mr. Rishar, however, comported himself admirably in his disagreement. I commend you for that.
 
brokenhallelujah said:
You know, I am pretty disappointed in you guys. Not for disagreeing with the views expressed, but for the personal nature of some of the statements.
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I think a little satire is an appropriate (and extremely civil) approach to addressing the 'nature of the statements' made by these theorists.

If someone can say the EVIL U.S. orchestrated the mass murder of Americans on 9-11 (something I take somewhat personally), I figure they can endure a little ribbing ... especially considering the weaknesses in their research methodology.
 
I do have to say I find the building 7 stuff interesting, but even if the government knocked that one down thay are only lying about a demolition as no one was killed
 
brokenhallelujah;
And I'm now disapointed in you. Or am !? It will pass. It's all too damn silly not too.
Lighten up.

Fact; not too long ago, dropping a controversial link, without any explanation at all was considered spamming, trollish behavior, by the mods at BF, and they would act. I think this link has recieved every restraint from the administration and the forumites.

It actually had a few good moments.

munk
 
I just try to keep up laughing with some and at others.

I leave it to you to decide which is which...
 
brokenhallelujah said:
You know, I am pretty disappointed in you guys. Not for disagreeing with the views expressed, but for the personal nature of some of the statements. I don't care if someone else started it, I expect higher from you guys, especially some of the more senior forumites.

Mr. Rishar, however, comported himself admirably in his disagreement. I commend you for that.
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I think there is a frustration with this topic, and blame America politics in general right now. JMHO. I'm not disapointed with anyone, and thought the thread turned out quite well compared to the last time. I, personally, feel quite sensitive when it comes to listening to how all the worlds problems are our fault. That just seems so common today.
 
Certainly I have been personally vilified over more than 30 years for being part of your government. I personally have been called that "Great Satan" , "Santa Claus with a Shotgun" and other such appelations in Federal District Court. When the good guys have a strong case against you in court, one commonly used defense technique is to throw a lot of dirt in the air. Perhaps the most memorable was when a member of NORML referred to me on TV as "The Prince of Darkness" following my testimony before a Senate Subcommittee. The one that hurt the worst was when Wayne LaPierre of the NRA referred to all federal law enforcement as jack-booted thugs (I am no longer a member).

All this is tempered by the fact that for the last eleven years I have been enjoying a hard won retirement courtesy of you nice folks. Sobering to think of, out of 42 guys in my basic training class only 8 of us lived to draw retirement.
 
Jurassic
I'm sorry you're not a member of the NRA. When Wayne said that, the BATF was under investigation for a lot of stuff that stuck, and resulted in legislative changes. You know that. I know the FBI is not just Weaver and Waco. But even as recently as last year, once again, Congress had to reign in the BATF. Frankly, George Bush Sr's resignation from the Org went hard against politicians with me- never question authoritiy, even when it screws up? Forget it. That's not me, or America. Remember, the FBI was compromised by Hoover for decades. The lab abuse in the 90's were also embarressing. And it is record that Drug enforcement invites corruption throught property confiscation. But these and specific BATF abuses had nothing, has nothing to do with VAST government conspiracies.. AS my good old Dad once opined, "What government?? They are just people, like you and me."

I know good men in any occupation suffer with the bad.
Tell me about it- I was in mental health. I once told the husband of a patient, 'we were the good guys' .
He grabbed my shoulder and slammed me against a wall. His idea was this was a 'snake pit' and everyone must be doing his wife.

munk
 
munk said:
Jurassic
I'm sorry you're not a member of the NRA. When Wayne said that, the BATF was under investigation for a lot of stuff that stuck, and resulted in legislative changes. You know that. I know the FBI is not just Weaver and Waco. But even as recently as last year, once again, Congress had to reign in the BATF. Frankly, George Bush Sr's resignation from the Org went hard against politicians with me- never question authoritiy, even when it screws up? Forget it. That's not me, or America. Remember, the FBI was compromised by Hoover for decades. The lab abuse in the 90's were also embarressing. And it is record that Drug enforcement invites corruption throught property confiscation. But these and specific BATF abuses had nothing, has nothing to do with VAST government conspiracies.. AS my good old Dad once opined, "What government?? They are just people, like you and me."

I know good men in any occupation suffer with the bad.

munk
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ALL of the above can be documented and laid at the feet of a few in government who get off on power trips....for every one of those there are a thousand good guys who pray every day for wisdom and descernment. I wrote Mr. LaPierre several times... NICE letters a couple pages long so as not to bore him, ....just ask him to consider the totality of his position. I never received acknowlegment...even from a flunky! Clearly they don't need me or mine. I firmly believe in the Second Ammendment, and my sons and grandsons will be my beneficiarys (Probably sooner rather than later).
 
Jurassic;
the fact you wrote him personally means everything to me.
You will not hear any defense of his actions from me, then.
At the time, with the doucmentation of abuse, many government officials were behaving as jack booted thugs.
So do civilians, I just want better of those looking out for us. With us.
As for Wayne, he just went down enough notches in my view not to warrant mentioning him again.

munk
 
munk said:
Jurassic;
the fact you wrote him personally means everything to me ...
munk
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When I was a magazine editor, I actually read only a fraction of the items addressed to me. The rest never reached my desk thanks to various levels of vetting designed to keep things efficient. Otherwise I'd literally be reading unsolicited mail all day.

For what it's worth, I suspect there's a good chance WL never saw this letter. I agree, though, there should be a response to every personal letter.
 
That's not my impression on this one; Jurassic was a high profile cop. The NRA has always supported cops. He wrote. No answer? Granted, they were probably stemming a flood of complaint letters. A lot of people quit at that time.

I think it was the only time in history Amnesty International and the NRA were filing administrative or court complaints together.

It was a bad time for gun owners. Clinton closed 50% of FFL holders with onerous regulations and pointless harrassment. The BATF and FBI, rather than being held in check, were making terrible mistakes and not being stopped.

munk
 
jurassicnarc44 said:
for every one of those there are a thousand good guys who pray every day for wisdom and descernment.
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I'd like to thank you for your service, sir. And I'd like to say I believe what you've said. I especially think the line above is true. This, in addition to the science, is why I cannot possibly believe any half cocked and overcooked conspiracy theory about 9/11. To believe such a thing is to say that evil people are more common than good ones. That conspiracy would have had to have been so big that there would either be wistle blowers, or humans are evil by nature. I don't believe that, especially of Americans. And thats the fundamental difference between me and the Consp Theorists. (I mean besides a job and a woman, a smidge of common sense, sobreity, >3 brain cells... you know what I mean.);)
 
And if you believe that the people calling the shots in your government are looking out for your best interests, then you're a damned fool.
 
Edward Teach said:
And if you believe that the people calling the shots in your government are looking out for your best interests, then you're a damned fool.
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Oh well, this settles it. Certainly because of this sentence it is impossible to deny that George Bush and Haliburton bombed the twin towers. Thank you for clearing this up.:cool:
 
There are some guys here alluding that if I believe the offical story of 9/11, than I am just buying into the government and being a sheep and taking the blue pill. I am no fan of government, mostly crooks or lackeys of them in my opinion. I am towing no party lines and believe we are lied to more than told the truth. But to believe that the current administration planned or orchestrated 9/11 is stretching it way too far. I could, maybe, believe that they had knowledge of an attack and let it happen, but the whole planting bombs and other stuff is just too much. A conspiracy on that scale is going into Illuminati territory. I don't believe in them either. I totally believe in kickbacks, payoffs and all matter of lefthandedness in politics. But wholesale murder of civilians through a vast government conspiracy is too big a scandal to keep the lid on, for anybody. People selling this idea are assigning way too much power to a handful of people. I just don't think it's feasable because if it is all about the money and power than some of them with the knowledge of what "really" happened would make way more, or garner more power for themselves, by selling out those who did it. If their motivations are greed for power and money than there is no incentive for them to not be stabbing one another in the back. No honor amoung thieves and all that. But really I believe the official story because the conspiracy theories don't take into account that it was too big a job to be able to keep quiet. Too many people would have to be involved in the planning, execution and coverup. No one has an organization like that.
 
Thank you Bob White. Great post.
 
I'm in the group of people believing Good is on the Earth too. That does not mean we don't understand men abuse power.

They call it 'cheap cynicism' for a good reason. So true it has a cliche all its own.

munk
 
The government is definitely looking out for me. They spent a lot of money getting me to this point and they continue to spend money on me. And not only that, every year finds us with new laws, new ways to go to prison, and an expanding population of incarcerated individuals without which I would be unemployed. How could I not be happy with them?

:cool: (My sense of humor is like tripe; it's an aquired taste, and most would be better off without it.)

One thing, and one thing only, bothers me about the whole 9/11 event. I remember watching the news that evening and seeing stuff blowing up in Afghanistan, and I was wondering how we got assets into the area so quickly; later we learned that it wasn't us of course, but the Northern Alliance.

Why did we suddenly hear about it then?

Coincidences happen, but that one still bugs me. I've been rather lax in my Google-fu training and I haven't heard a good story behind this yet. I'd appreciate any links that someone might have.
 
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