Least amount you would spend$$$$$ ???

[tholiver]

But I don't want to think.

Let's see, where I live I would want a hatchet for all but the best weather. I would take a Gerber/Fiskars hatchet at about 20-30 bucks. In nice weather a SAK Farmer is all I need at $19.

Psst....guy where do you get the $19 SAK Farmers?
I have two but for that price i'd buy more!

 

[BigNate]

Simple answer for me. I bought a Camillus Marine Combat Knife for $17 when I was in jr. high and still have it. It's 1095, holds a good edge, and although not a full tang, I wouldn't feel the least bit concerned with my choice.

 

[Shotgun]

Amazon including free shipping.

 

[WILLIAM.M]

Hello Dr Bill, thank you for posing some interesting questions and getting me to think.

You mentioned this "If you make a statement that a Mora is as likely to break as a fixed blade knife-you better have changed the laws of Physics first to allow that statement to be correct".

IMHO, used for slicing (it's intended purpose) a Mora would be as likely to break as a Busse BM.

Using the laws of physics wouldn't the Mora make a better slicer?
At school I wasn't very good at factual things like maths or the sciences, I preferred emotional things like art and music, so I'm probably wrong.

By the Physics statement I ment that your comment about a Mora is as likely to break as a fixed bladed knife is incorrect.

All things being equal-A full tang Knife can take more abuse because there is no handle/blade joint to fail

I never said a Mora was not an encellent slicer and it will out slice a Busse any day of the week.

This can not happen to a Busse-or any full tang knife.

Again--I have and love the Mora's I have now

But not enough to risk my life on one...

 

[tholiver]

Amazon including free shipping.

Dang! Amazon.com won't ship to Canada, and Amazon.ca doesn't carry cutlery.
Oh well!

 

[Yorkshire Boy]

YOrkshireboy... Noone is arguing that Moras are better slicers.. but in a wilderness situation (as the one depicted where you must rely on a single bladed tool) tasks required to save your bacon might require more than slicing... If you can slice your way out of a week in the woods with minimal gear and a mora.. More Power to you.. But as for me I'm not at that level yet.. When I;m cold and soaked and its getting dark I want something I can lob limbs off with for shelter.. Or split wet wood for fires.. use as a draw knife Or pin the boogie man to a tree with if I need to...
But yes if I had to carve a feather stick, Clean a trout, or make a spoon a mora would be the right tool for the right job.(even though I have done all of those with my bk7 they're are not as pretty) but for pure survival based on a single implement You have to accept compromises ( at least in my limited experience)..Losing some of the cutting value of a mora in lieu for something with added strength would be one I could live with... but that's just me..ymmv.

I'm not on the same skill level as most people here, and I won't pretend to be.

I was being pedantic in my first post because we don't know the "rules" of the scenario. Where are we been sent, how far do we have to walk and are we allowed any other kit.

I'm sure Dr Bill didn't mean it but there were several brisk responses given to people (which could've been interrupted as rudeness) for not replying to the thread properly.

I pointed out that before asking his highlighted question Dr Bill also asked several other questions, which to me was slightly confusing.

If all you had to do was trek out of there, you had shelter and food in your pack, then I'm sure a SAK or a Mora would do just fine.

You'll notice that in my first post I said "Also, for every broken Mora I'm sure we can post a picture of a broken full tang knife. So I'm not sure what that proves..."


I didn't suggest that a Mora is stronger or as strong as any other knife. What I did say was that for every broken Mora picture there will be a picture of a broken full tang knife. Nor did I say that the full tang knife had to break in the handle, just that it would break.

Dr Bill asks this of Josh K "AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT DEFINED ABUSE".

In reply to me, Dr Bill wrote "Mora's can not take abuse like a fixed blade can

They are not designed to take abuse."


Strangely, Dr Bill didn't quantify what he meant by "abuse".

Any knife with the proportions of a Mora won't have the length and heft to chop effectively, nor the stoutness to baton without any worry. I'm guessing he didn't mean chopping concrete and steel pipes when he said abuse?

We're told to think of what we carry, that our choices mean nothing to Dr Bill unless logic and facts are used, not emotion.

I see a sentence like (and I paraphrase here), "risking my life to a non full tang knife" as an emotional one, and not one borne out by the facts and realities of what many people over history and still to this very day have to deal with.

That many many cultures use and have used partial and rat tail tang knives seems to go over some heads.

Somehow I've ended up championing Moras, when in my first post I said I would take a full tang knife.

To finish, I'll once again thank Dr Bill for making me think about it all.:thumbup:

 

[WILLIAM.M]

I'm not on the same skill level as most people here, and I won't pretend to be.
I was being pedantic in my first post because we don't know the "rules" of the scenario. Where are we been sent, how far do we have to walk and are we allowed any other kit.
I'm sure Dr Bill didn't mean it but there were several brisk responses given to people (which could've been interrupted as rudeness) for not replying to the thread properly.
I pointed out that before asking his highlighted question Dr Bill also asked several other questions, which to me was slightly confusing.

If all you had to do was trek out of there, you had shelter and food in your pack, then I'm sure a SAK or a Mora would do just fine.

You'll notice that in my first post I said "Also, for every broken Mora I'm sure we can post a picture of a broken full tang knife. So I'm not sure what that proves..."


I didn't suggest that a Mora is stronger or as strong as any other knife. What I did say was that for every broken Mora picture there will be a picture of a broken full tang knife. Nor did I say that the full tang knife had to break in the handle, just that it would break.

Dr Bill asks this of Josh K "AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT DEFINED ABUSE".

In reply to me, Dr Bill wrote "Mora's can not take abuse like a fixed blade can

They are not designed to take abuse."


Strangely, Dr Bill didn't quantify what he meant by "abuse".

Any knife with the proportions of a Mora won't have the length and heft to chop effectively, nor the stoutness to baton without any worry. I'm guessing he didn't mean chopping concrete and steel pipes when he said abuse?

We're told to think of what we carry, that our choices mean nothing to Dr Bill unless logic and facts are used, not emotion.

I see a sentence like (and I paraphrase here), "risking my life to a non full tang knife" as an emotional one, and not one borne out by the facts and realities of what many people over history and still to this very day have to deal with.

That many many cultures use and have used partial and rat tail tang knives seems to go over some heads.

Somehow I've ended up championing Moras, when in my first post I said I would take a full tang knife.

To finish, I'll once again thank Dr Bill for making me think about it all.:thumbup:

abuse---using a knife as a pry bar,chopping things not originally intended to be chopped,letting a 10 year old boy scout use your knife,letting Noss play with your knife-all are abuse in my book.

and this is a simple post with a simple answer

I gave Brisk responses(your term) to those that simply must not have read the OP.

I did not ask what knife you trusted---I asked the Value of it??

The photos of those broken Mora's prove to me that I'm not going to risk my life on one.

Some people can see these photos and not get the fact the knife is broke

I love the Mora's I have--but they are not hard use tools that I would stake my life on.

also--another point.

People are so fond of saying how people have survived for 100's of years with this or that...it does not mean it was the best tool for the job or take into account how many PEOPLE died when a knife failed(Broke).

This post had no set mileage -as in-you have 30 miles to walk out.

In a survival situation--you are going to be hard pressed to know how many miles you have to travel until you find safety or even if you should be traveling at all.

In this situation--you are dropped off in the woods--you have to walk back.

What is the least amount of $ you would be willing to spend on a knife to insure you made it back safe...

To some---$10---to others well above that

Each of us has to decide the $



YMMV:thumbup:

 

[stingray4540]

Outstanding Post!!!!!

I posted this question as I do most of the others to get people to think about what they do and why...

Your choices mean NOTHING to me--unless you can back them up with LOGIC and FACTS....
Then why did you ask?

How you FEEL about a knife is useless to me(as how I feel about a knife is USELESS to you)

I want you to THINK about what you carry and why-based on facts --not emotion

If you make a statement that a Mora is as likely to break as a fixed blade knife-you better have changed the laws of Physics first to allow that statement to be correct.

First of all, a Mora is a fixed blade... Secondly, no one is saying that a Mora is stronger than a full tang. A full tang isn't stronger than a double bit axe, so using your argument, no one should trust there life to anything less than a double bit axe...

I often wonder what people think they will be doing in a survival situation that would require a sharpened prybar to accomplish a certain task.

I wonder how humans "survived" the stone age?

And if my calling you Bro upsets you----you do not know how lucky you are that I in fact consider you worthy of calling you one.

"Bro" is often used as a sarcastic term, especially when accompanied with a phrase or conversation that isn't exactly friendly, like say... telling someone that they are wrong...

So far, all of your comments have praised choices you agree with and condemned choices that you don't agree with, so I can easily see why someone would get offended with you calling them "bro" in the context in which you did.

Oh, and just because you don't agree with something, doesn't make it wrong.

Sincerely

Dr.Bill

Oh, and after having thought about it, I'd still trust my life to an $8 knife.

 

[WILLIAM.M]

Oh, and after having thought about it, I'd still trust my life to an $8 knife.

see that's how you do it...

List the value---

anything else is not required,needed or wanted

There is a PART 2 to this question

Here it is

How little are you willing to spend on your boots???

If as the above man states -he would trust his knife to an $8 knife--

What would you consider the LEAST amount of $ you would spend on your boots--the ones you would be wearing in the same situation???

Would you trust your life to a $10 pair of K-Mart boots or do you want /need to spend more to feel safe>???

Are the boots more important that your knife????

 

[RescueRiley]

BoOts huh? well From spring untill the first frost I'm usually in Sandals..Tevas (50 Bucks) after that its Mil surplus (50 bucks) so 50 Bucks..

Also In response to the It worked for my ancestors thing... Well than so did a hunk of Obsidian... Oour ancestors Lived in allot closer a connection to the outdoors than even the most hearty of us do these days...They're skill level I'm guessing was much more based on fact and ability than on books and theory.. It had to be or they died.. THey also had less access to the sheer volume of choices in in regards to tools that we have..They used what they had access to and they made it work..

 

[WILLIAM.M]

BoOts huh? well From spring untill the first frost I'm usually in Sandals..Tevas (50 Bucks) after that its Mil surplus (50 bucks) so 50 Bucks

Great answer

Please keep them coming

 

[crossada]

i would trust a $25 CS bushman but a $300 wonderbar of S30V steel? No. I guess price doesn't reflect as much to me as does materials and construction.

I only buy Danner Acadias $225. They have never gave me a reason to try something else.

 

[longbow50]

Man, I am gonna miss my Breeden R.U.C.K., but my backups would do everything that I need and I trust them all.

1. Vic Bundeswehr issue SAK (Trekker). $30.00
2. Eriksson Mora 2000. $12.50
3. Eriksson Mora 711 Swak. $11.00
4. Frost Mora 760 Swak. $9.00

 

[WILLIAM.M]

i think you're flipping out over nothing. If the responses to the vaguely defined scenario you posed don't satisfy you, perhaps you should redefine it?

or at least stop using all caps....

I'm not yelling when I use all caps

I do it because I have very bad eyesight

 

[6shooter]

My Schrade schf9 retails for about $40USD(totalled about $60CAD with shipping and exchange) and I would trust it to do anything I need it to in the bush.

 

[WILLIAM.M]

Great answers



please keep them coming

Remember NOT to list the knife choice--LIST the COST of it

 

[Minnesota]

A mora.

 

[theonew]

OR AT LEAST STOP USING ALL CAPS....

Stop reading out loud ... problem solved

I would trust my Izula that I bought used for $40.

For me price isn't the biggest issue, all knives can have imperfections in the steel or a bad HT that might not show up until they are used roughly. With this in mind I would trust a cheap knife I have used and beat on for awhile more than a brand new out-of-the-box super blade.

 

[WILLIAM.M]

A mora.

See the question in the post

Do not list the knife--list it's value

As in the dollar amount --NOT the knife

Thanks

Doing a survey--need the $ amount

 

[fishiker]

Part 2 is a completely different answer for me. I would expect to pay $150 or more for a decent pair of boots. I wouldn't want to walk across the street in a pair of $10 K-Mart boots.