Lion Steel Rotoblock

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Darth I don't know, you so once again I will give you the benefit of the doubt but YOU were the one that was inventing insult by calling out everything from patent infringement to assuming I was a retard. I patiently answered your guestions and you were still humping my internet leg.

"do understand that the wave (as a device) as nothing to do with the type of lock used?"

a) I posted the patent
b) I have google too
c) Thank you for clarifying your posts and apologizing profusely for wasting brain cels on this.

lets kiss and make up and focus on more productive things.... LIKE GETTING MY DAMN DPX HEST/F IN MY HANDS:))
 
I can't freaking believe I read this entire thread. Although, I was able to learn something. Of course, I had to sift through more than the average amount of the typical I'm-typing-from-my-mom's-basement whining.

Looking forward to them, RYP.
 
RYP, I have no dog in this fight, so disregard what I say if you wish.
I like the couple of books of yours I have (still waiting for the next World's Most Dangerous Places:)), and the folder is growing on me as a future purchase option.
However, I think the crusty/blunt/brutally honest persona may be hampering things a tad.
Is the customer always right? Hell no; I've seen many who were jerks of the highest magnitude.
But you may want the money of the ones who aren't jerks and are sitting on the fence, and they may be put off.
But hey, it's just my observation, and it may not be worth the effort I put into moving my fingers on the keyboard.:D
 
You know, I post on bladeforums about 1 time every two or three months. Spends hours and hours here, looking around and learning, but for the most part I keep my mouth shut, watch, and learn.

DarthSoaker - from one Darth to another... shut your pie hole already and just read, please. You just might learn something.
 
stabman said:
I think the crusty/blunt/brutally honest persona may be hampering things a tad.
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I don't give two flying Barbi's from a monkey's red bottom if Pelton is a bad, bad man or a nice guy. He seems to be straight forward (I don't really know the man though), so I don't have any reservations about buying a knife from him. He seems to have designed a pretty gosh darn functional looking knife. I am in the market for a pretty gosh darn functional knife, so I am buying what I believe will be said knife. I don't think the he will lose much business from people seeing his "crusty/blunt/brutally honest persona." If he does, thankfully he has a day job.
 
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I thought I told you guys... ITS MORPHING TIME! gAWd!

Anywho. I would probably have said it like.

There is an added special feature besides the rapid deployment when using the dpx hest folder in a RDS type of deployment. What happens is, once it is RD'ed, the rotoblock feature that looks like the hinderer stabilizer acts as a secondary lock akin to the autolawks feature of the CRKT knife. So basically it is rapidly deployed from the pocket the main, frame-lock, locks, and also the rotoblock feature locks into place creating a knife that is more like a fixed blade in terms of strength due to these additional features.

A metaphor to clear it up a bit. Think of the frame lock as the door to the house. Once you leave the house [leaving = using the RDS to open the knife] you close the door, and then LOCK the door with a key. The rotoblock is just that key and lock, the frame lock being the door. Therefore you have two mechanisms of safety/lock when leaving the home [opening the knife via rds]

To further/better illustrate this example, when you need to disengage and fold your knife; you will need to manually turn the roto block in order to disengage that lock, and then push over the frame-lock liner in order to close the knife.

To use the same metaphor: To get back in the home [closing the knife], you would need to first put your key in and open the lock [rotoblock system], then push the door open [framelock].
 
RYP said:
My christmas gift some of you guys (who will remain nameless) you seem to be experienced a hormonal imbalance...
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You seem like a nice guy, so I'll take the advice of my forum compatriots and shut my pie hole. I guess we can let the readers decide, eh?

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Another feature is the Rapid Deployment System. When you pull the DPx HEST/F out of your pocket with a downward motion, it comes out open AND locked. No unassisted, manual knife on the planet does this. Some come out open, some can be locked but the DPx HEST/F is unique in this feature. If you need a brutal folder in a hurry...it better be open and ready for action.
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No unassisted, manual knife on the planet does this.
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I'll shut up now.
 
Darth,

None of the knives you just posted have a device like the Rotoblock which prevents the knife from being unlocked even on purpose by the user.

The HEST/F does. I still can't figure out what makes the Rotoblock engage automatically during the "wave" maneuver, but Tomso's videos prove that it does. You noticed he couldn't push the lockbar over and unlock the knife? That's the Rotoblock doing it's job, and the video proved that it did it without any other maneuver than the simple "wave". Based on that, I believe RYP is correct in that no other knife can do that.

Now, if a Lionsteel SR-1 had a "rapid-deployment feature" or "wave" feature, it would probably behave in a similar way as the HEST/F.
 
lets kiss and make up and focus on more productive things.... LIKE GETTING MY DAMN DPX HEST/F IN MY HANDS)
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This is mad hilarious. I didn't know my HEST folder packed with a happy factor.:D
 
GianniLion said:
Rotoblock is a LionSteel Patent.
It is a safety Sistem.
With a simple rotation of the Rotoblock you will fix the blade in open position.
The user must rotate the Rotoblock when the blade is open, nothing automatically.
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Looks like we're getting mixed messages. I'd like to hear from Robert. Does it ALWAYS engage the Rotoblock when you use the rapid deployment system, or not?
 
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ok, guys, did two quick video with my phone which I hope will show what Robert wanted to say in the first place.

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I keep watching these videos; damn I want this knife to get here quick. It looks so much better in the videos than just looking at the pictures.
 
dillon_b12 said:
Darth,

None of the knives you just posted have a device like the Rotoblock which prevents the knife from being unlocked even on purpose by the user.
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- Emerson uses a liner lock or frame lock to keep the blade open. It's true that there is no secondary lock to keep the lock from slipping, even though it should be a rare occurrence. The Spyderco P'Kal uses a Ball Bearing lock, which is very similar to Benchmade's Axis lock. There is absolutely no way you're going to accidently disengage that lock. It's also a rock solid lock.
 
Thank goodness I don't give a "crispy frog turd" if it can be waved and 'lock-LOCKS' open on it's own or not. :D

As long as that "pot lifter" works..... I am good. :thumbup: .. ;)

Now..... about that "pot lifter" RYP..........

*Can you verify if the 'pot lifter' has been tested in extreme real life circumstances RYP???
**Does it work every time???
***Will it run to the pot handle on it's own, or do I have to manipulate it by hand? :D ..... :D .... :D ..... :D


MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!!!!
 
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"Does it ALWAYS engage the Rotoblock when you use the rapid deployment system, or not?"

completely up to the operator and I think that's the beauty of it. You can take it out of your pocket, it stays nicely closed and show your grandma. Or you can have it out open and LOCKED in under a second.

I should make a point that when most normal folder "locks" it is easy to "unlock" it during hard movement during which the very method of unlocking becomes inadvertent.
The Rotoblock prevents the spring from being inadvertently pushed into the closed position. That doesn't make it as strong as the fixed DPx HEST but it makes it reliable.

Its conceivable that during heavy work or grappling that the RotoBlock could be pushed all the way into the open AND under further grappling or hard use the spring could be pushed allowing the knife to close. But if you feel and use the knife I think you will see how the function works.
 
i'm not a patent atty, but it seems to me that the cutout in the HEST blade has very little in common with the Wave notch from a device standpoint - if anyone was infringing on the Wave patent it would be that Cold Steel design. My $.02.
 
Does it ALWAYS engage the Rotoblock when you use the rapid deployment system, or not?
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Or you can have it out open and LOCKED in under a second.
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It seems to me (correct me if I'm wrong) that the Rotoblock is very easy to engage, so the act of rapidly deploying it from your pocket *does* lock it in place. But just opening it slowly won't. When you think about it, that setup makes perfect sense. I don't know of a situation where I'd need the speed of the wave opener without the Rotoblock, and if you don't need the Rotoblock engaged you probably don't need the extra speed the wave thing gives you. Pretty cool if you ask me, since most of the time I use this I probably wont need the lock and don't usually go for the wave opening. Props to the guys who thought that through.

Also, that black blade/titanium handle combination looks sick.

~robert
 
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