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thombrogan said:
Allan,
There are some folks who work around those hazards by coating the spines of their blades with a more insulating clay .
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Yes, I posted here that I was going to do just they very thing on my next blade as an experiment.
Then some guy who knows a lot more about Heat-treating my steel than I do sent me an email and warned me that it's a "deep hardening" type steel that might not react to a clay-coating like I planned.

Well I went ahead and clay coated the spine areas and tang, then heated the whole blade in my forge to save O/A torch gas.

For a while it seemed to have worked.
Out of the oil quench the clay fell off right, and there seemed to be marks on the sides of the blade that would lead a person to believe that the clay worked as planned.

However after Temperings and an etch I could not see any difference in the spine and other areas of the blade.

This was only my first attempt at an edge quench via the clay-coating system, but just based on the results so far, Im not sure 52100 is a good steel to use clay with.
but more tests need to be done here.
 
Sad story abt strider's expensive knives.
Looks like CS put up the truth about the strider boss. If there are lying, strider will sue them in court.
But CS looks like they got it right.

Sometimes a product sells on its maker's reputation, and when this is lost you can bet sales will decrease. It might be the beginning of the end for strider.
 
Or that maybe their knives sell because of their nice knives. I know I got my SnG before I read about Strider's history, both his version and other people's version of it.
 
n00b3r said:
Or that maybe their knives sell because of their nice knives. I know I got my SnG before I read about Strider's history, both his version and other people's version of it.
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You bought an expensive knife just based on the look and feel of it?
Most people that buy a knife that is expensive like a Busse or CRK do some homework first. :confused:
 
Most people that are into knives are not members of this forum. Even if all the knife forums have threads about Strider, most knife people would never see them. However, there will be many more people that will see it on the Cold Steel website. I do think that what Lynn Thompson has done could, I repeat, could have a negative effect on Strider business. There will always be the hardcore supporters of Strider that will not be swayed by what has been going on, but there are hundreds, maybe thousands of people that are thinking about purchasing Strider knives that don't know anything about this whole mess. Those are the people that could be negatively affected by the stuff on CS's website. Only time will tell, but this is certainly not a case of, any publicity is good publicity.
 
I'm not sure there are hundreds of thousands of people willing to pay over $50 for a new knife no matter who made it. George Washington could be resurrected and start hand-forging knives and if they're over $30, most folks would say "Welcome back, George" and wander away without buying.
 
SYK said:
Sometimes a product sells on its maker's reputation,.
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The truth is that anyone who buys a product based only on hype, is going to be let down.
Sooner or later, the product has to perform as expected...Thats the moment when the buyer learns if he got something worth owning.

That photo of a busted knife sticking in the firewood, remember it?
n00b3r said:
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Thats the moment when the owner of that knife learned that his knife was not worth owning.

But when a product fails this can also be the moment when the maker of that product shows what he is made of too...
No more hype, no more quotes, no more product ads or statements from others about what the maker is like.
All that is moot at this point.
It does not matter a hoot what the maker said in the past about his product or his company, the truth shows up when his product fails and the maker has to still stand behind that product and makes things right.

Anyone can stand behind a product that has yet to fail in the field.
Anyone can say all kinds of things about their product before it's used.
But the real story about what a maker is like comes when his product fails and it falls to the maker to set things right again.
The only "reputation" that really matters at that point is the reputation gained by a maker who understands that from time to time they have to step up and make things right , take the lead, go the extra mile, for people that have turned to them with a problem.
 
Spark said:
I wasn't the first one asking questions and I won't be the last, POWNetwork apparrently had reports on him dating back to 2005.
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That's interesting. Any idea who made "the" report in 2005??? Or was it report(s)?

m1
 
Michelle said:
That's interesting. Any idea who made "the" report in 2005??? Or was it report(s)?

m1
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Does it really matter? I mean honestly, the "Somalia" claim falls apart under even cursory examination so how difficult is it to believe that other people found Mick Strider's claims to be, well, unbelievable?
 
That's interesting. Any idea who made "the" report in 2005??? Or was it report(s)?
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Perhaps it was someone who wondered why no one knew of a guy who claimed to be operational for so long?

Here's a clue for the uninformed. The special operations community is SMALL. Everyone knows everyone, or knows of them. The spec ops community in the 80's and 90's was even smaller. If you claim to have been somewhere, or done this or that, someone will have known you or served with you. The interesting thing about Mick, is that no one has come forward.

Now I personally find this whole thing to be sad. I served for years, most of my friends have served. A very good knife maker friend, Bob Horrigan, was lost a few years ago and his twin brother, John, who served in the same Ranger Batt, still makes knives. He knows all the guys he served with. If you went on an operation, all those guys will know. So if you make claims, you have to realize someone may check up on you. Before the personal attacks come, I know guys from Seal Team 6, Delta, Rangers, etc, so anything anyone has done can be verified with a phone call.

Now I never questioned Mick's claims, although they sounded pretty bizarre at times. But after talking to a large amount of military folks, including a large amount of 2/75 vets, all I can conclude is that he lied to build up his record. This is a shame, because it downplays the supposed value of the knives. Who wants to buy a knife from a guy who lied about his background? How is he different from Mad Dog, who also has a record of strange claims of combat and adventure? I don't talk about my service because I want people to buy my sheaths based on the quality of the sheath, not my background. Now Mick chose to be a cult of personality, and it's bitten him in the ass. But everyone wants to attack the messenger instead of the false message.

Now Lynn seems to be enjoying pointing it out. I'm not sure why, although he claims that he doesn't care for people who lie about their back ground. I could care less, as I will sheath any knife, cheap or expensive, cord wrapped or not. I can't tell anyone what blade to carry, it's none of my business. But if you lay your dick out there and tell folks it 10 inches, but we can clearly see it's not, don't be surprised if folks make fun of you.
 
Spark said:
Does it really matter?
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Yes, it does, as you have known about for roughly 24 hours now?

I mean honestly, the "Somalia" claim falls apart under even cursory examination so how difficult is it to believe that other people found Mick Strider's claims to be, well, unbelievable?
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So, if the Somalia claim DOESN'T fall apart... are you saying all other claims are believable?

m1
 
Spark said:
Does it really matter? I mean honestly, the "Somalia" claim falls apart under even cursory examination so how difficult is it to believe that other people found Mick Strider's claims to be, well, unbelievable?
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Let the man who is without sin cast the first stone.

"The highest current ranking officer blamed in the incident is Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, commander of the Joint Special Operations Command. Investigators said he was “accountable for the inaccurate and misleading assertions” contained in the papers recommending that Tillman get the Silver Star award."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20070326-1619-ca-tillman-friendlyfire.html
 
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Are you seriously comparing Mick Strider to Pat Tillman? Seriously? Do I really need to lay out the differences and how disgusting it is that you'd compare one to the other?

Michelle said:
Yes, it does, as you have known about for roughly 24 hours now?
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I'm not sure what you mean? :confused:

Michelle said:
So, if the Somalia claim DOESN'T fall apart... are you saying all other claims are believable?
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Which claims would those be, the claims of being a combat vet when his service record clearly shows he wasn't? The claims of having a special operations background, when his total time in the Ranger Batts was 65 days? His talk of dumping mags & throwables, when he can't even own a firearm? The claims that he was in JSOC or SOCOM by others? The injury claims? At this point I'm not sure what credibility is left, if any.

Hey, if he can back up the Somalia plea bargain deal, that'd answer one question, but still would leave all the others. The fact that you people aren't taking anything he says with a salt lick, not just a grain of salt, is astounding.
 
Spark said:
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Are you seriously comparing Mick Strider to Pat Tillman? Seriously? Do I really need to lay out the differences and how disgusting it is that you'd compare one to the other?
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Of course not……. Reading comprehension aside, the point is (as made in prior threads) that all men have shortcomings, i.e. Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, no matter their lot in life or their service record.
 
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