Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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Do you respect people who stand up and say their piece, then stick around to take responsibility for it?

Do you respect people who stand up and call someone else out on lies, no matter how popular they are?

I'm still here, aren't I?;) :D
It would be all I could do to NOT come back here if I said I was done with the forum knowing that others were saying things (good, bad, or other) about me or my opinions and not defend myself. But that's just me. Saying unpopular things about popular people is a brave thing to do, but that isn't really the case here, is it? I mean HERE, right?
My profession has to one of the worst for having armchair commandos that want to ride on the coat-tails of the real-deal workers out there, so I undestand how vets would be pissed about someone, anyone, using their jobs for glory if it wasn't earned. And I really don't know where I stand on this as there many gaps that haven't been filled to my satisfaction, but it doesn't change that I like the Strider products.
 
I think ultimately this will go no where. Some people have principles and care about them and seeing them in others and etc. and some don't. It's such a fundamental cornerstone that neither side will convince the other side.

I am kinda surprised that companies who use advertising text such as the above don't remove it, given the other evidence (eg the court case) I would think they be concerned about getting sued themselves.
 
Hawsbill, by all means, back up your statement. I challenge you again: If you can disprove anything I've stated, by all means provide evidence and do so. If I'm wrong, call me out and state why. I have no bones correcting anything I've said, or admitting when I'm in error.

Spark, not to take you down, but your evidence in whole (actual documents) agree with what Mick has said.

You then take other things he has said, and infer a lie out of them without any proof. Maybe you would like proof to what he has said, but you lack the proof to call it a lie.

I guess that's what gets me about this whole thing. The only proof is the documents relating to his service. Then you get to, he was this and that, so isn't it obvious the statements are false. It is a leap of faith, an invention of the mind.

If you would, please make a list of every "lie" you think has been made. Now beside that "lie", please put the document that proves that it is a lie. Do this rigorously, try and detach any anger and look at the bare facts. If you would, I would like to see this list myself, maybe post it.

wrt the civil case with Chris, if you were to get into a civil lawsuit and decide that a settlement was a good idea, but the condition of settlement was you stating that the "Sky is Green, from here on you will publicly only say the sky is Green", it would be so. However, the sky would still be Blue, but all the court documents would show you agreed with the other party that the sky was Green. The facts do not change, but the court documents are still there.

--Carl
 
Bohica2u,

You are trying to prove that he lied by quoting what others have said about him. The article where the SOCOM stuff came from has been explained by the author. You would have to look up the exact wording, but the effect was the author had the Ranger info, looked up that Ranger battalion is part of SOCOM, and wrote that, missed the dates that SOCOM came into existance.

--Carl
 
Quotes from an magazine article or Buck's literature are the sole responsibility of the authors, who aren't getting paid to write boring copy, or ask their subjects to provide complete documentation of every statement.

And those who imply Rangers aren't part of the spec-ops community - please list who is.

When you're listing them, can you prevent yourself from having the myopic view they must be US government sponsored? There are plenty of civilain contract organizations out there who require non-disclosure, and have for decades.

I certainly believe the truth will out in the long run, but the rampant bias toward absolutist statements of character will eventually humiliate some. You will be very wrong. Except Boats, who has a hide like iron, and it's just practice for his practice, anyway.

Ping! You have a subscription!
 
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Mick Strider:

"Okay now lets just get this over with...Both myself and my partner Duane, are combat vets. REAL combat vets. Whatever that may mean, I guarantee we qualify. Nearly every male I know, is involved in what people like to call Spec-Ops. We have thousands of knives in the hands of operators all over the world. That feedback, along with law enforcement feedback, is what drives our company."



This is Mick's own words, not mine. Mick makes no attempt concerning the ad copys to set the record straight about his REAL military record.

Yes, Strider was a Ranger, but only the The Lord of the Rings.

AND the ad copy(s) were given to the authors by Mick and/or his company. This is Mick's responsibilty to give accurate information (not lies) to the author of the article.
 
I have been reading all this with some amusement. So what's the bottom line here? I have read so much and am so confused on this issue save for the fact that Mr. Strider was jailed for 5 yrs for a carjacking. He apparently did this while in the service or something like being attached to a SPECOPS detail? So if this is the case how can he carry a legally registered handgun? I know in NYS you can get a waiver after a felony convict. I can't remember the exact term used. Its kind of like you have been good for X number of years, turned your life around stuff and a judge will issue a waiver or some such thing to where you may own a gun. Maybe not a handgun but a gun none the less. So where does this stand? keepem sharp
 
pricecw / Carl - I respectfully request that you reread posts #1, 4, 6, and 10 in this thread on what I am specifically claiming is a lie. I am of the opinion that everything else shows a clear pattern of deception, obfuscation, and allowing misrepresentation to be put forward as fact.

I'm furthermore asking for any documentation of any Special Operations work done as a civilian. I've clearly laid out reasons why this isn't plausible at the beginning of the thread. I cannot, however, prove a negative. It is up to Mick Strider to document that he actually did do the things he claims.
 
OK, you have shown a statement by Mick. Now show some document that proves he isn't a combat vet.

Second line, are you saying that Mick doesn't know a lot of people involved in what is called Spec-Ops? That these people don't have his knives? That they do not give him feedback?

Now to your statement, nothing in the quote by Mick has anything to do with his REAL military record. His military record has been shown.

Final statement of yours. By the standards of the US Army, he was a Ranger. You do not get to overrule that, however much you want to.

If you were to do what I suggested in the post to Spark above with that line

Mick was an Army ranger US Army criteria -- Complete RIP, serve in Ranger Battalion -- True

Again, my interest in this matter is people trying to drag a veteran through the mud with no proof. This dis-honors veterans, and I can not, and will not sit by the side while that happens. If you have proof Mick lied about his military service, provide it, but don't throw speculation up and pretend it is a lie.

--Carl
 
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Motions for discovery are file and only granted the prosecution and defense and not the public. Tough to get it all even in a Civil Trial.

Nah,I am just one of the white hat boys that watch folks charged with Federal Offenses where the original charge is No-prossed, a new Charge substituted and a negoiated plea agreed upon and accepted by the Court. there would be no incentive to plead if there was no room to negoiate.


So tell me I am wrong, tell me I cited inaccurate info. then ask any Prosecutor or Cop [State or Fed] who brings pukes to justice how many times they go down on the original charge and do time as the guidlines stipulate.


And one more; Guilty folks cannot appeal their conviction based on innocence or guilt. the Federal acknowledgement of rights form and waiver and the process one undertakes to plead guilty, which includes admitting they have pled guilty because they are guilty cannot appeal their guilt or innocence. They can only appeal errors in law.

Read the US Supremes rulings on this and as a NON-Lawyer I cannot cite the sites. But you Lawyers are; I am sure can find it and tell me I am wrong. Then as a Favor I will give you the US District Court I spend [t] lots of time in and was part and parcel to a whole slew of cases disposed of outside the guidlines. Then you can go after the Fed judges right after you crucify Mick some more. The Judicial Conduct Committee exists for this reason and others.


I'm afraid I don't quite know what you are saying your position is with respect to legal proceedings- LEO? I'll tell you this, I'm a licensed lawyer. I was a law clerk to a state judge here in Texas, along with a variety of other positions. I can tell you that in civil trials, motions for discovery and the answers are filed in the District Clerk's file or the County Clerk's file depending on which court the proceeding is in, and are public record. Criminal trials differ because the discovery process is very different, but some information is in the files and are available.

The problem was not that there is room for negotiation but whether a AUSA can offer a plea of going to Somalia and forfeiting pay for a year in lieu of prison time. There is nothing in the docket statement that would suggest that (yes I know there are mistakes many times in those). I have already cited where you made wrong statements and where the proof of that is.

Furthermore, if you look at the Criminal Resource Manual for US Atty's, at http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00626.htm
you'll get this:

626 Plea Agreements and Sentencing Appeal Waivers -- Discussion of the Law

Legality

At the outset, it is important to note that the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that a criminal defendant can elect to waive many important constitutional and statutory rights during the plea bargaining process. See United States v. Mezzanatto, 115 S. Ct. 797, 801 (1995); Tollett v. Henderson, 411 U.S. 258, 267 (1973); Blackledge v. Allison, 431 U.S. 63, 71 (1977, cert. denied, 116 S. Ct. 548 (1995). Consistent with that principle, the courts of appeals have upheld the general validity of a sentencing appeal waiver in a plea agreement. See, e.g., United States v. Allison, 59 F.3d 43, 46 (6th Cir. 1995); United States v. Schmidt, 47 F.3d 188, 190 (7th Cir. 1995); United States v. Attar, 38 F.3d 727, 731 (4th Cir. 1994), cert denied, 115 S. Ct. 1957 (1995); United States v. Bushert, 997 F.2d 1343, 1350 (11th Cir. 1993), cert. denied, 115 S. Ct. 652 (1994); United States v. DeSantiago-Martinez, 980 F.2d 582, 583 (9th Cir. 1992), amended, 38 F.3d 394 (1994), cert. denied, 115 S. Ct. 939 (1995); United States v. Melancon, 972 F.2d 566, 567-568 (5th Cir. 1992); United States v. Rivera, 971 F.2d 876, 896 (2d Cir. 1992); United States v. Rutan, 956 F.2d 827, 829-830 (8th Cir. 1992).

A sentencing appeal waiver provision does not waive all claims on appeal. The courts of appeals have held that certain constitutional and statutory claims survive a sentencing appeal waiver in a plea agreement. For example, a defendant's claim that he or she was denied the effective assistance of counsel at sentencing, United States v. Attar, supra; that he or she was sentenced on the basis of race, United States v. Jacobson, 15 F.3d 19 (2d Cir. 1994); or that the sentence exceeded the statutory maximum, United States v. Marin, 961 F.2d 493, 496 (4th Cir. 1992), will be reviewed on the merits by a court of appeals despite the existence of a sentencing appeal waiver in a plea agreement.
Scope of Sentencing Appeal Waivers

A plea bargain is a contract between the prosecutor and the defendant. Thus, the scope of a sentencing appeal waiver in a plea bargain will depend upon the precise language used in the sentencing appeal waiver provision.

A broad sentencing appeal waiver requires the defendant to waive any and all sentencing issues on appeal and through collateral attack. ...

In this regard it is also important to note that the Sentencing Commission's policy statements allow judges to accept plea agreements that do not undermine the statutory purposes of sentencing or the Sentencing Guidelines; the policy statements also admonish the parties when using stipulations to set forth the relevant facts and circumstances of the actual offense conduct and offender characteristics and not to include misleading facts. USSG §§ 6B1.2 and 6B1.4 (Nov. 1994).
...

Use of waiver of appeal rights in a manner resulting in sentences in violation of the Sentencing Guidelines could prompt a court of appeals to reconsider its decision to uphold the validity of a sentencing appeal waiver. Alternatively, the reviewing court could construe a sentencing appeal waiver narrowly in order to correct an obvious miscarriage of justice.
Ensuring that the Waiver is Knowing and Voluntary

A waiver of an important constitutional or statutory right must be knowing and voluntary to be valid. See United States v. Mezzanatto, 115 S. Ct. at 801; Boykin v. Alabama, 395 U.S. 238, 243 (1969). Therefore, prosecutors should ensure that the record reflects that the defendant knowingly and voluntarily waived his or her right to appeal the sentence. See, e.g., United States v. Johnson, supra; United States v. Attar, supra; United States v. Bushert, supra.

...

The general acceptance of the sentencing appeal waiver in the courts of appeals has caused criminal defendants to mount systemic challenges to the sentencing appeal waiver. One common and repeated challenge to the sentencing appeal waiver is the argument that a sentencing appeal waiver is involuntary as a matter of law because the defendant will not know his or her actual sentence at the time that the waiver is executed. That argument has been rejected by two courts of appeals. See United States v. Rutan, supra; United States v. Navarro-Botello, 912 F.2d 318, 320 (9th Cir. 1990), cert. denied, 112 S. Ct. 1448 (1992). Rutan reasoned that the validity of a waiver does not depend on the defendant's knowledge of all of the consequences of the waiver to be valid. When a defendant agrees to plead guilty, he or she does not know whether the government can prove its case and how witnesses will testify. Nonetheless, those uncertainties do not make the defendant's waiver of his or her right to contest the government's case invalid as a matter of law. For that same reason, the defendant's lack of knowledge of his or her actual sentence when the waiver is executed does not make a sentencing appeal waiver unknowing as a matter of law.




So it depends on the waiver whether a defendant can appeal guilt (which is limited) however, the waiver doesn't not close out other means of appeal, including ineffective assistance of counsel, which Boats specifically mentioned.
 
Terminology may vary from place to place by custom and practice. In the Northern District of Ohio, they are called "case files." If they are also called "clerk's files, I have missed that fact. Certainly, the files are in the care and custody of the Clerk of Court. Everyting else you say sounds familiar. The interest of Court functionaries in assisting you in gaining access/copies certainly varies -- sometimes, seemingly, from moment to moment -- certainly from person to person.

Mr Linton, in my jurisdiction the files are District Clerk Files or County Clerk Files depending on which court (District Court or County Court at Law), the federal ones are Federal District Clerk files.

I was a law clerk for a judge and we had our own files on each case which were not public record. I have retrieved large numbers of files before and as an employee of a court I had much greater access to the paper files as well as the scanned images of them than the public or even other lawyers.

The rest I will agree with, although even a pissed off clerk doesn't mess with a judge who wants a file.
 
And those who imply Rangers aren't part of the spec-ops community - please list who is.

You can find out who's who here: http://www.socom.mil/

The Army component commands for USSOCOM are:
USASFC
USAJFKSWCS
75th RGR RGT
160th SOAR
SB(SO)(A)
4th PSYOP Gp
95th CA Bde

As for the shadowy world of non-government sponsored special operations contractors, that is better left to Tom Clancy.
 
Honestly, I have no issue with Mick saying he was a Ranger. He was in the 2/75, for however short a period as it may be. What I can't seem to get nailed down is what dates he actually served.

My issues are claims of Special Operations backgrounds, combat service, being sentenced to Somalia, and using firerarms after being convicted of a felony.

From your email to Kevin McClung:

Spark said:
I have been following this recent controversy regarding Mick Strider since I saw the Cold Steel knife that started it at SHOT. For all of his other faults, I admire Lynn for having the balls to publically make such a statement.......After watching Mick make claims regarding his military service, special operations background, and gun handling since he's been online, I was highly shocked to read about Osmans lawsuit last year. When Mick made the claim about suppossed to be sentenced for 1 years in Somalia instead of prison, and implied that he could have stopped the deaths of the Rangers from that time, I was enraged and nauseated. I am not one to sit on my hands.

This is your explanation for why you have not involved your self in the controversy until now. Had you known about this all this time that it's been out there, you would have spoken up before now.

So even though you run one of the largest knife forums on the internet, you only became aware of all this several weeks ago at SHOT?

Okay. People get busy....

Fortunately per you,
Spark said:
..... I too have information straight from Chris Osman, who've I've been talking to since SHOT 2007.

But:

Spark said:
What I don't have is the following: actual copies of Chris Osman's suit & settlement, electronic or hardcopy.

Am I the only one confused? You state you are in communications with Mr. Osman since SHOT, but you go to Kevin McClung to get the information and paper work that Chris Osman has? Why not ask your Pal Chris Osman directly? Why would you go to someone (McClung) who you have publically disparraged and loathed, for a circuituitous aquisition of papers that you could get first hand from someone you claim to be in communication with?

Then you offer Mr. McClung a Knifemakers Account here at BF for FIVE years (retail value of $200) for the paperwork. In some circles this could be called a bribe.

You also state you were banned from searching Badlands. You have since retracted that stating that at the time of your email to Kevin, you had received an page error whilst trying to search Badlands.

Your email to Mr. McClung was dated Saturday morning, February 10, 2007.

I went out of my way to make your account and give you access as soon as you requested it (stating you were having difficulties in doing so yourself), on February 8, 2007. I have screen shots of your activity and searching our forums on February 8 and 9, 2007. You never reported any difficulties to me either there in BL or here in BF. And yet in your February 10 email to Kevin you state you are banned from searching Badlands. Then you tell me (after I've already stated I have documentation that disproves this) that at the time you wrote Kevin, you THOUGHT you couldn't search .... but I have documentation of you searching the forum for days prior.

I suppose at this point, someone is going to tell me to start another thread or to take it to PM or whatever. I am merely responding to Spark's post of this morning.

I have done my best to answer a LOT of questions in this forum from people who have posed them. I have sent links, pointed people in the direction to get it themselves, and tried to stay civil throughout it all, even though some have been less than civil to me. I have not always been able to provide all the information people wanted, but I have at least tried my best.

The only question I am asking is what your agenda is Spark? Why do this huge exercise in cut and paste now, when others have come way before you and stated this stuff? You are taking credit for others work and choosing NOW to stir this pot again. I just want to know what you think you will gain from it?

I also want to know why the one person who can give you everything you claim you need, documentation wise, either hasn't or wont. You claim to be in contact with him. He has an account here. Did you give him a free account for 5 years too?

This whole MadDog thing was a disaster for you. The old saying of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" only works when you haven't already made an enemy of that person yourself previously. Additionally, a knifemaker with a purported 2 to 3 year backlog on orders probably doesn't need a free account to sell knives on a forum he has made it clear he has no respect for. Wrong carrot dangled.

So, there's my questions to Spark. Why now? And what do you hope to gain by parroting a bunch of stuff that has been done to death by others? What is your personal agenda?

Lastly, I thank you for your service (in the military).

m1
 
Still waiting for your answers Michelle.

Are Mick's own writings "hearsay?"

Has someone been impersonating Mick online across multiple forums for a number of years?
 
It isn't that he made stuff up. Its that he built his bussiness on those lies and on the back of service people who believed him. No one is questioning that he was in the military or that he served his time for his crime. What people like myself don't like is his claiming to be a combat vet and working black ops when he hasn't. It is a slap in the face to all those who have served or are serving now.

Well, legal arguments on procedure aside, what I was asking here is where does this go.

I understand that this pisses off a great number of you, I think the evidence here does lead one to conclude that there was some lying going on. But what happens if someone gets all the this "evidence" together- what next? Will there be more attacks, lawsuits, what? I have read that some are suggesting to go after the government contracts.

My problem with this is that, while I think Strider did some fairly typical internet couch commando bragging and he is rightly being attacked for some of his own words, the problem is when this is being taken offline and people are taking it upon themselves to dig up info. Just from a legal point of view, some of this is starting to head in the direction of harrassment, invasion of privacy, tortious interference with contract, trade dispargement, etc...

While there are ways to attack lies, like a DTPA action for lying with connection to the advertising or maybe some federal contract problems, some of you need to make damned sure that your info is correct or we'll be reading of more lawsuits here.

So, while I can see calling him a liar for some of the outrageous statements, (I don't think lick my sack will be in any customer relations manuals), there is a point here where this is going way too far.
 
Spark, I am contending that those post are speculation. There is not proof to them. I am an engineer, and tend towards logic and proofs. I am also a veteran and hate to see speculation used to drag someone down.

For speculation, and your idea that you can't prove a negative. Someone hired a PI to do quite the search on Mick. Where is the info that shows from '86-89 worked at Burger King, from '89-90 worked at Safeway, '90-93 College. It should have been easily verifiable with the resources of the PI if he was somewhere during the time between Army and Jail.

If he did civilian contracting (I am not saying he did, but I see nothing to say he didn't), he wouldn't be talking about it. Non-disclosure agreements, have the potential to destroy you more completely than almost any other method (outside of the US secret stuff).

So, it boils down to statements made that have proof and those without. Of those that can be proven, all have been true. So why would I drag the man down about those without proof? You laid out the un-plausible and jumped to calling it a lie. Why?

I also argue that the articles flaunted about are a clear pattern of deception. Some were in error, and the parties responsible cleared up the issue and why the article stood.

Again, I just don't see it. I would like to see some hard evidence, but there isn't any.

#1 is a rehash of speculation
#4 is a leap from he said to it being a "lie", no proof other than you don't like it.
#6 settlement in a civil trial. As I posted above, if you wish not to be tangled in a civil trial where a lot of ugly things can come down, and the other side demands you say XXX to settle, it can happen. This does not constitute proof, especially when it contradicts events already shown to be true. What it means, is he will never give you proof, because he has now stated to a court of law he never will. Again, if he had/has a non-disclosure agreement it could be much more expensive than a settlement. All this is, is an agreement between two individuals on future conduct.
#10 Having not been in the room during the converstations with the prosecutor, and not knowing his full background, I can not call this a lie. There is again, no proof it is a lie, just the leap of faith to it being a lie in peoples minds.

Finally, I believe if a person is calling another a lier, it is up to that person to prove it. I don't know you any more than him (although I have conversed more with you), why should your word carry more weight? If you want to try and establish a pattern of lies, that can help show the likelyhood of a lie in places you can't prove, but then there needs to be a lie shown to be true, preferrably, many. There is still not one statement shown to be a lie.

--Carl
 
I thought this forums was for posting about people you've had deals with Quoted from the top of this page

"The Good, The Bad, The Ugly! This is your area to tell about your experiences (Good or Bad) with dealers, sellers, and individuals you've bought, sold, and traded with."

Seems like a lot of people don't have a dog in this fight that are posting in this thread. I could care less about someone's past. Unless you personally know someone, how can you pass judgement based on a bunch of crap posted on the internet. I for one form a real opinion of someone after I meet them, not by reading a bunch of crap written by other people. (Yes, I've met him, and he was very nice and kind to me, and took the time to talk to me even though I'm just an everyday joe). I met a lot of people in my brief time here on earth, and at one time, I would form an opinion based on what others say or write. One of my resolutions this year has been to be more unassuming. I've resolved to treat everyone friendly, and as a friend, until proven otherwise. Do I know people who've been to prison? Yep! Do I still consider them friends? Some. I can't speak for or about people I don't know, and I can't say I know the person this is all about, but that when I did have a brief face to face interaction, several years ago, I felt that he was/is a genuinely good person. This all goes to show that my opinion of forums are that they are pure entertainment. Taking that unassuming resolution I have, and throwing it out the window, some assumptions that I've made since reading this useless thread are that some people need to get a life!
 
If he did civilian contracting (I am not saying he did, but I see nothing to say he didn't), he wouldn't be talking about it. Non-disclosure agreements, have the potential to destroy you more completely than almost any other method (outside of the US secret stuff).

You like logic, so here goes: in the early to mid-1990s there were not the number of contractors that there are now. Given the limited number of jobs, why would a contractor be impressed with a resume that listed the applicant as a former E1 with an 11B MOS?
 
This thread is such a damn waste. If you don't want to buy Mick's knives then don't. If you do, then buy them. What the hell... F*ck'in stupid shit!
 
BH, said all that has to be said. I've read absolutely none if this except that few posts and my opinion is:

Get on with your lives! Who cares! What a waste of time and bandwidth!

Win
 
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