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Mick Strider has some explaining to do.
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Frankly, Spark, I don't think Mick is "continually lying". Can I refute everything you've posted? Nope, and I don't care to try. I just read Mick's entire post on Badlands about this (only part was pasted here) and I'm satisfied.
But the real issue is that I don't care to pick through the piles of pasted text here to try and decide what the facts are. I just don't need to. I'm hardly close friends with him, but his good character has been displayed for me over and over again. That, taken with all the personal experiences of many of my friends and acquaintances in the field -people who KNOW him- makes the issue very clear in my mind. People who know him know his character. That's all that matters.
To answer your question, of course it's not OK to lie about your military record. But, since I know Mick a little, and know his reputation among people I trust and respect, I'd have to go with believing him over believing confused attacks by people who are only out to ruin his reputation.
Something smells, but I still can't just say that it's all BS as there are things about the subject that I don't know. It's just my nature to not jump to the most obvious conclusions( call me thick
), when I don't have the whole story. It should be stated that as far as I know, there wasn't any wrong-doing (from a legal standpoint, I believe) as to how Strider came to be. Morals are a whole different thing, and much are relative. "Embellishing", while perhaps not of the highest morals, isn't illegal, is it? You would think his business partners would keep him on a short leash if he were saying things that directly affected them , right? Why isn't that happening? Maybe it is behind the scenes. Publicly, that doesn't appear to be the case. Businesses that misrepresent for gain? Take your pick of any sector and you'll likely find that. I like Striders for the stout designs and solid warranty. I like that if I use the knife like I shouldn't, it will still be covered. And the only place I'd actually abuse a knife would be at work if I needed to(firefighter). That brings me back to the stout design that inspires confidence in them in the first place.At the end of the day, this thread just seems to draw a divide that really isn't needed.
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So anyone who has spoken up for Mr. Strider -- or objectivity -- but elects to remain a member of this site is "associated with" Strider bashing? Well, such generosity of spirit. That implication seems abouit as logical as labeling anyone who speaks well of Strider due to experiences of good works as a "groupie" etc.
Eventually, folks will weigh the facts they perceive regarding Mr. Strider's service against -- or with -- the facts they perceive about his conduct otherwise and decide where they stand. Or one can strike a balance with no effort to understand the facts -- in either regard. (It is so comforting to ignore the inconvenient fact.)
All the drama, labeling, and name-calling neither adds to or subtracts from the evidence regarding Mr. Strider's service or his reported good works.
And there should be an annual limit on "sack" references.
So, is a DD214 a public record? If so, has it been ordered from the G so the speculation can be replaced by facts?
Actually, if he went too far in perpetuating this farce, some of his actions MAY rise to the level of illegality.Something smells, but I still can't just say that it's all BS as there are things about the subject that I don't know. It's just my nature to not jump to the most obvious conclusions( call me thick
At the end of the day, this thread just seems to draw a divide that really isn't needed.
What are your arguments? 1. He makes good stuff, so it doesn't matter
2. It wasn't a BIG lie (many would disagree)
3...EVERBODY lies in business
Let me ask you this. If one of your co-workers was a good firefighter but it turned out that he had falsified his credentials on his application to get the job and had NEVER actually completed his training, would you vote to let him stay on the job regrdless of how good a job he was doing?
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Your cohort moved from MICK'S statements to OUR statements. Nothing that I have written on this thread is in ANY WAY untrue. Nor, at any point, did I deny that Mr. Strider said the things he said. Yet, your friend Boats managed to directly state that all of the "Striderettes" are liars.
My statement, or rather question, is if personal attacks are a bannable offense on this site, why do the ones from those in your corner go unpunished... or even warned?
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Ok, another simple question. Mick Strider made a claim on the 6th that he was suppossed to be sentenced to 1 year service in Somalia in lieu of going to jail. Numerous legal types have shown federal sentencing guidlelines stating that isn't the case, not possible, and therefore an outright fabrication on his part. Is it ok for him to lie about his military service? Or does he get a pass because he's Mick Strider and therefore absolved of all responsibility?
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Personally i am thrilled SPARK done this.For people like me who didn't know the truth.Now i know the real truth.Strider is nothing but a wannabe.There is nothing wrong with having an overactive imagination,just don't try to take my money by telling complete bullxxxx stories about how you were the "real G.I. Joe",when you didn't even get close!Thank GOD some people can still tell the truth.THANKS SPARK i have wanted to know what all the griping was about.
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Spark,
It took guts to do what you have done, first by exposing the lies and second by putting up with the sycophants who refuse to see the evidence and think about it.
This is all new to me and I commend you for it. As a custom maker I don't follow a lot of individual factory stuff, but I do follow reputations built on honesty and integrity. You have demonstrated both. Thanks for the information and evidence, and guts enough to tough all this out.
Semper Fi,
Gene
It took guts to do what you have done, first by exposing the lies and second by putting up with the sycophants who refuse to see the evidence and think about it.
This is all new to me and I commend you for it. As a custom maker I don't follow a lot of individual factory stuff, but I do follow reputations built on honesty and integrity. You have demonstrated both. Thanks for the information and evidence, and guts enough to tough all this out.
Semper Fi,
Gene
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Haha, no. You see, he did not mention any of you by name, or even single you out. So calling it a personal attack is stretching things very far. I will agree that he implied that the "Striderettes", (your agreed term for Strider supporters not mine) are very much like a backup band though, and I can't say I disagree with him. There's no band without the lead singer though, and that's the focus of his satire.
Maybe I missed this in the 29 pages of this highly charged thread, but has anyone commented on what an insult Strider's deception is to the very people that he sells a lot of his knives to, the men and women of the armed forces? Some of you may pooh-pooh this notion, but just go back and look at Chief's post. i think that you will find that he is not alone.
Actually, if he went too far in perpetuating this farce, some of his actions MAY rise to the level of illegality.
1. He makes good stuff, so it doesn't matter
2. It wasn't a BIG lie (many would disagree)
3...EVERBODY lies in business
Let me ask you this. If one of your co-workers was a good firefighter but it turned out that he had falsified his credentials on his application to get the job and had NEVER actually completed his training, would you vote to let him stay on the job regrdless of how good a job he was doing?
Not my arguments, just how I see this at this point. He makes good products and stands behind them(very important to me).
I never said it wasn't a big lie. I still don't know what are big lies in this matter as I don't know all the facts. Never said EVERYBODY lies in business, just that it's there,plain and simple.
As far as the question pertaining to the job. If he's got my back, I'll take him any day.
I guess thats another thing you know nothing about, heck yeah I would keep him, most real firefighting is ojt anyways. I would rather have a firefighter I know is "a good firefighter" than to roll my dice with a guy who knows what the book says the fire is supposed to do.:jerkit: Really, this has to do with what?:barf:
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No, I haven't missed it.
I happen to be a member of the Armed Forces.
Like I said before, those that know Mr. Strider personally hold him in high esteem. I had read all of these things before I met him, and my opinion of him instantly changed once I saw the kind of man he really was.
I think you will find that I'm not alone, either.
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I don't know much at all about firefighting, it's not my field of expertise. But as a veteran, I do know that when I spot someone lying about their military career, they are a less than honorable person. When someone puffs themself up on the blood & sweat of men who actually had "been there and done that".
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