Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

[Allan Molstad]

Allan, perhaps you can explain why Mr. Strider keeps bringing it up and now added that he was to be sentenced to Somalia for a year.

I cant read the guy's mind....
But just from reading your post of such events, I can just tell you my first reaction to such a wording is.

My first, "gut reaction" is that this is a rather clever way of talking about a rather dull and uninteresting part of a person's court history.

The phrase "Sentenced to Somalia" is key here to see the joke in this case.

This "Sentenced to Somalia" part strikes me to be equal to saying something like:, "The judge wanted to take my nuts",,,,or "The judge wanted to run me out of town on a rail"
Thats the idea I get from the phrase; "Sentenced to Somalia"

Im not saying that this was the true idea that he had in mind when he first wrote this phrase, but if you ask me now what the phrase means to me, thats what it means....

 

[NousDefions]

The phrase "Sentenced to Somalia" is key here to see the joke in this case.

This strikes me to be equal to saying something like:, "The judge wanted to take my nuts",,,,or "The judge wanted to run me out of town on a rail"
Thats the idea I get from the phrase; "Sentenced to Somalia"

Im not saying that this was the true idea that he had in mind when he first wrote this phrase, but if you ask me now what the phrase means to me, thats what it means....

PLEASE STOP.

 

[HoB]

This is the second time you have stated this. I asked you last time, which you chose to ignore, so I am asking you again.

Where is your documentation (certified of course) that states this?

Even the people who are in possession of the court papers (and hate Strider) have NEVER stated the above.... never even tried to claim it. And boy-howdy they would have if they could have.



I think so too. But I'm thinking in a much different way than you are.


m1

Girl, you need to get out more. I don't know what you do for a living but I have a job. The last time I posted was yesterday. I think it is not unreasonable to imagine that I do not keep up with my hobby more than once a day. Since my last post more than 10 pages have been added, I can not even find my own last post without a search function and I stumbled over your accusations purely by chance. So much for ignoring you.

And yes, THEY have claimed it, a few years back, in the initial thread in the course of which Mr. Strider posted his blacked out discharge papers. Since Mr. Strider challenged in that tread pretty much all allegations, but not once the terms of this conviction, I had no reason to assume they were wrong. Since I am sure you are intimately familiar with the thread in question, I do not feel the need to direct you to it.

As to *certified (of course)*, I have yet to see (I may have missed it in this lengthy thread) anything *certified* that supports that Mr. Stider has actually done any of the things he has claimed to have done. All I have read so far are stories that read like they have come straight out of a book from the bestseller list table at Barnes and Nobles. The last actual evidence I have seen supports nothing more that he was a common grunt and not a "high speed" operator. So how about you show us something *certified* when you support someone elses highflying claims before you go around asking the same of others. I am a strong believer in the "most likely" theory. Since it will be a while till definite proof is furnished, right now I have a lot con and absolutely nothing pro.

Since I have no interest in getting as emotionally involved in this pissing contest as you seem to be, this will be my last post here. I will cast my vote with my money. Should you feel I ignore you in the future, you will in fact be right as I am going to put you on my ignore list, as have have read absolutely nothing but hot air from you in this thread.

 

[Spark]

If you've read any of my posts, you know I'm a Strider supporter... but this post is just plain bonkers.

SOCOM means one thing, and one thing only. It isn't some metaphor that Hunter S. Thompson can use at his discretion.

SOCOM didn't exist when Mick was a Ranger, but if it had, he would have been a part of it.

For 65 days. Till he was kicked out. After which he was such a stellar SOCOM soldier that he went AWOL.

That must have been an intense 65 days of SOCOM activity, to get recruited for some sort of civilian Special Operations combat role.

 

[roughedges]

Respectfully, Mr. Molstad: I believe that Mick Strider's intentions were and are much less sophisticated than that.

Out of curiosity, what do you make out of Mr. Strider's changing his name to emulate the character Aragorn from Tolkien's fantasy series?

 

[SpyderJon]

You know, this thread used to just make me sad. NOW, its starting to remind me about that saying where winning an argument on the internet is like winning the special olympics...

I dunno. I read the motives listed for starting this thread. I'm willing to take the man at his word. A little "swift-boat"-ish, but hey its on his dime.

I'm a member of the USN. Proud to be. And yet, for all the accusations and insinuations that get thrown about on this board regarding that place, THIS thread has more drama in it than ANY thread I've ever known of "over there"- and that INCLUDES the Political forum.

Don't like Mick? Don't buy his knives. Don't like the USN? Don't come visit- we won't miss you. However, please, stop all of this crap, huh? Yeah, some people find this stuff important- and it is important to them, but again, so are the Special Olympics to THEIR participants.

 

[falnovice]

NousDefions,

But does this work in retro.

My late grandfather was in the 5th Rangers in WWII. Saw plenty of combat, was wounded twice, killed plenty of people. If he were alive would he be allowed to refer to himself as SOCCOM because that is the phrase now?

 

[digitalrebelttu]

[On 07-23-2006, Mick Strider makes the following statement:
http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5785&highlight=prison

Notice how this story changes 7 months later when retold:

On 02-06-2007 Mick Strider made the following statement on BadlandsForums.com:
http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6774
(see also attached file Badlands_Forums___whats_up_with_mick__.pdf as viewing the above link requires registration on BadlandsForums.com)


No physical evidence is provided of this claim, let alone an explanation of why after discharge as an E-1, being barred from re-enlistment, and having a self professed spinal injury, the Government would even consider deploying him in such a manner as to be punishment for the above charges.

No other examples of prosecutors making such deals has been provided to corroborate such a claim.

I strongly urge that the reader examine the above quote in context in the Badlands PDF file attached above; then decide for themselves what is being conveyed, especially through the omission of extra information.

I cant read the guy's mind....
But just from reading your post of such events, I can just tell you my first reaction to such a wording is.

My first, "gut reaction" is that this is a rather clever way of talking about a rather dull and uninteresting part of a person's court history.

The phrase "Sentenced to Somalia" is key here to see the joke in this case.

This "Sentenced to Somalia" part strikes me to be equal to saying something like:, "The judge wanted to take my nuts",,,,or "The judge wanted to run me out of town on a rail"
Thats the idea I get from the phrase; "Sentenced to Somalia"

Im not saying that this was the true idea that he had in mind when he first wrote this phrase, but if you ask me now what the phrase means to me, thats what it means....

So he claims that he is sitting in jail, sick to death about his fellow rangers (who had just lost 18 rangers, delta and 160th SOAR) who are still in combat but whoops, they have been withdrawn. Is that a joke?

And tell me, since he had been out of the Army since 1986, would they have just handed him a rifle and say go get 'em, be an army of one. Since he must have super qualified over all the Rangers, Delta, SEALS, MArines, 10th Mtn, and everyone else that had been in combat in Somalia for the last 2 years. Well that sounds very credible to me.

 

[Allan Molstad]

SOCOM means one thing, and one thing only.

Well, the truth is that a writer can use any word to mean any thing.
It's all just letters on my keyboard...

Take the word "kill"....what does it mean?
How many different meanings can you think for it?...lots likely right?

Then there is the whole "context" issue to keep in mind.
Remember I dont concider anything I read from people on the internet to be trustworthy at first.
So if I read "whatever' about this of that guy being connected to SOCOM Spec Ops, it really means nothing. None of it should be just looked at and trusted just because this or that guy says so.

And when in the fuller context of the whole "Walter Mitty" writing style the guy seems to use when talking about his own history, I cant say that the "Socom Spec Ops" stuff is to be viewed any different at all than the other stuff I have read he blathers on and on about.

 

[Boats]

Respectfully, Mr. Molstad: I believe that Mick Strider's intentions were and are much less sophisticated than that.

Out of curiosity, what do you make out of Mr. Strider's changing his name to emulate the character Aragorn from Tolkien's fantasy series?

Burger's "name choice" is a copyright violation. Since the LOTR was only published in the mid-50s, it's still copyrighted.

A cease and desist from the Tolkien estate would be remarkably amusing.

 

[automated ugug]

For 65 days. Till he was kicked out. After which he was such a stellar SOCOM soldier that he went AWOL.

That must have been an intense 65 days of SOCOM activity, to get recruited for some sort of civilian Special Operations combat role.

sorry Spark.. i must have lost that in all these pages.. whats this 65 day figure please?

 

[Allan Molstad]

So he claims that he is sitting in jail, sick to death about his fellow rangers (who had just lost 18 rangers, delta and 160th SOAR) who are still in combat but whoops, they have been withdrawn.

Is that a joke?
.

yes, thats it....I believe thats the case here.

The style of this, the way it is writen seems to be that he takes what might have been in a very dull and uninteresting moment of his rather dull life, and talks about it in a way to make it 'pop".....to make it "grand"....to make it 'a page-turner to read'...

This is Walter Mitty...
This person seems to me to be a very good example of a Walter Mitty with no off switch.

 

[NousDefions]

For 65 days. Till he was kicked out. After which he was such a stellar SOCOM soldier that he went AWOL.

That must have been an intense 65 days of SOCOM activity, to get recruited for some sort of civilian Special Operations combat role.

I seem to recall you stating that this was a thread to be based on nothing but proven, verifiable fact. Now, even you have regressed to petty sarcasm... which has nothing to do with the facts.

The FACTS:

-Mr. Strider, at one point, lied about having combat experience. He has recanted these claims in a court of law.
-Mr. Strider was an Airborne graduate, attended RIP, and was assigned duty to the 75th Ranger Regiment. Had SOCOM existed, he would fall under its umbrella.
-Mr. Strider was dismissed from Regiment.
-Mr. Strider went AWOL for 6 days approximately 3 weeks after his new assignment.
-Mr. Strider is a convicted felon.
-Mr. Strider claimed that, instead of a 5 year prison sentence, he would be sent to Somalia for duty with the US Government. The truth of this claim is unverified, and therefore moot, but the claim itself is fact.

Your CONJECTURE:

-Mr. Strider claimed to have stolen a car while conducting "Black Operations".
-Mr. Strider was kicked out of Regiment for poor conduct, instead of the injuries he claims.
-Mr. Strider's company's success is based, in large part, on the mystique of his time spent as a Ranger.
-Mr. Strider has personally claimed civilian Special Operations duties. He has not.
-Mr. Strider posted a forged DD214 on the board, the entirety of which (save a single date) have been verified.

Is there something I've missing?

 

[Boats]

Is there something I've missing?

MS published a forged DD-214 on the internet.

 

[Allan Molstad]

he had been out of the Army since 1986, would they have just handed him a rifle and say go get 'em, be an army of one. .

Thats the point here, thats the joke of the story.
Walter Mitty thinks of himself as a great doctor, thinks of himself as a great space man, but he was really just a husband who wanted his car tired changed.

No one writes about a guy needing a tire changed....unless he could not change that tire because of a gunshot to his arm while in the South American bush on a Spec Ops job for the NAS (It's all hush-hush, I cant talk about it, but guys in the know dont have to ask)....

See?
Thats a way better story to read...

 

[DXC]

The last actual evidence I have seen supports nothing more that he was a common grunt

Sir, there is nothing common about a Grunt, I do resent that.

 

[NousDefions]

MS published a forged DD-214 on the internet.

Sorry, I forgot to put that under the CONJECTURE file.

There is zero evidence that it is a forgery, and if it is, it is the most insanely idiotic forgery in existence... since everything about it is accurate save a single date.

 

[JD Mandrell]

Well, the truth is that a writer can use any word to mean any thing.
It's all just letters on my keyboard...

Take the word "kill"....what does it mean?
How many different meanings can you think for it?...lots likely right?

Are you serious?

Then by all means, give us another working definition of SOCCOM?

None of it should be just looked at and trusted just because this or that guy says so.

Especially when it comes from Mr. Burger.....

 

[Allan Molstad]

Out of curiosity, what do you make out of Mr. Strider's changing his name to emulate the character Aragorn from Tolkien's fantasy series?

Other than it sounded cool?

 

[digitalrebelttu]

Thats the point here, thats the joke of the story.
Walter Mitty thinks of himself as a great doctor, thinks of himself as a great space man, but he was really just a husband who wanted his car tired changed.

No one writes about a guy needing a tire changed....unless he could not change that tire because of a gunshot to his arm while in the South American bush on a Spec Ops job for the NAS (It's all hush-hush, I cant talk about it, but guys in the know dont have to ask)....

See?
Thats a way better story to read...

Ok, I'll take that as an answer.