Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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Are you serious?

Then by all means, give us another working definition of SOCCOM?
You can do that too.
Any writer can use all the letters and words man has ever come up with to mean totally new things.
Thats the fun part of being a writer , you can invent a whole new world, fill it with ideas, people, places, and name them whatever you want.

Or...

If you want, you can keep the common meanings to words, but twist the context so much that one word has no clear meaning in the context of a story at all.

Another thing that a writer can use to make a story more interesting, is to use a word in a context that fully reminds people of the common meaning to that word, yet never actually say if thats the true meaning in the context or not.

That keeps a reader unsure as to what the writer meant by the use of the word...and thats an interesting way to write too...
 
Sorry, I forgot to put that under the CONJECTURE file.

There is zero evidence that it is a forgery, and if it is, it is the most insanely idiotic forgery in existence... since everything about it is accurate save a single date.


You just don't get it do you? There is no way the form can be valid with one single error. Look it up. Type in on google and find it like I did. They have a procedure they follow on how to deal with a form having and error on it. I don't see any initials by an authorized person by that date along with Mick's. If the information Spark posted is accurate then the form is not. If the form is accurate then the stuff posted by Spark is not. Frankly I want to burn both of them and not believe either are accurate.

One tiny error invalidates the whole form. Read the military information available by a simple search. Its all there easy to find with a simple click or two of the mouse.

3.4.1. DD Form 214 is an important record of service which must be prepared accurately and completely. Any unavoidable corrections and changes made in the unshaded areas of the form during preparation shall be neat, legible and initialed on all copies by the authenticating official. The recipient will be informed that making any unauthorized change or alteration of the form will render it void.

STR
 
Well, the truth is that a writer can use any word to mean any thing.
It's all just letters on my keyboard...

Take the word "kill"....what does it mean?
How many different meanings can you think for it?...lots likely right?

Allen, a word of advice, when you find yourself in a hole, it is wise to stop digging.

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Thats the point here, thats the joke of the story.
Walter Mitty thinks of himself as a great doctor, thinks of himself as a great space man, but he was really just a husband who wanted his car tired changed.

No one writes about a guy needing a tire changed....unless he could not change that tire because of a gunshot to his arm while in the South American bush on a Spec Ops job for the NAS (It's all hush-hush, I cant talk about it, but guys in the know dont have to ask)....

See?
Thats a way better story to read...

It may be a better story to read, but as of Dec. 20th 2006 it becomes a felony if it is put forth as the truth (even if the statements were made many years ago).

Pam
 
Alrighty, the DD214 was interesting, but not super ground breaking that I had hoped for.

Can I ask why you were "hoping for" something miserable and ground breaking?

Why are you people "hoping for" someone's ruin? Someone you never even met? That's disturbing, to say the least. It's actually the worst of humanity being displayed.

HT or ND, I've been told you can get spanked with an AWOL just for missing A formation. Is that true? You don't even have to be off-base for an AWOL or (in the Marines) an UA assertion?

m1
 
HT or ND, I've been told you can get spanked with an AWOL just for missing A formation. Is that true? You don't even have to be off-base for an AWOL or (in the Marines) an UA assertion?

m1

Missing a formation, and leaving post for 6 days without clearance are two different things. Please don't compare the two.
 
One tiny error invalidates the whole form. Read the military information available by a simple search. Its all there easy to find with a simple click or two of the mouse.
Whether or not the form is a valid DD214 isn't the question. Invalid forms come from the government ALL THE TIME. I've seen some REALLY wacky stuff appear on my ERB from time to time, but that doesn't mean I forged anything.

The question is whether or not Mr. Strider FORGED THE DD214, because that has been repeatedly claimed... in this thread based entirely on "verified fact".
 
Your CONJECTURE:

-Mr. Strider claimed to have stolen a car while conducting "Black Operations".
-Mr. Strider was kicked out of Regiment for poor conduct, instead of the injuries he claims.
-Mr. Strider's company's success is based, in large part, on the mystique of his time spent as a Ranger.
-Mr. Strider has personally claimed civilian Special Operations duties. He has not.
-Mr. Strider posted a forged DD214 on the board, the entirety of which (save a single date) have been verified.

Is there something I've missing?

I am quoting this for accuracy. You are deliberately misrepresenting my position and twisting my words, and I will not be held liable for false claims you are attributing to me. This coupled with your own disregard for the facts of this matter indicate to me that you are either deliberately trying to get me to open myself up to libel, or are willfully ignorant.

Mick Strider's own statements indicate he was working with "heavy hitters" who did some "good" work and some "less than" good work. True or false?

Mick Strider was removed from C CO 2/75 after only 65 days on station. I think his statements about it being due to an injury are bogus. He's refused to provide any medical documentation to back this "dxed for jump injury" story up.If the injury was so severe that he would be duty restricted, he'd be put on profile, hospitalized, or otherwise processed by military medical. He was not transfered to a Medical hold unit, FOIA documents show this. He was simply moved to A CO 3/47, from which he was in good enough shape to go AWOL.

I make no statements on the success of Mick Strider's company, that is not relavent to this discussion.

Mick Strider has claimed a Special Operations background. Magazine articles written about him state he's got a background in SOCOM / Special Operations, etc. Advertising copy indicates he has a background in Special Operations. He was removed from the 2/75 after 65 days. Stating he has a background in Special Operations is a gross exaggeration at best, and an outright lie at worst. I personally have called into question the credibility of any claims that he operated as a civilian Special Operations type person. You, Michelle, and others, though, have been touting it, and said his claims of combat service were possibly during that time as well. By all means, if you are now agreeing with me that he wasn't a Special Operations type person after his discharge, speak clearly and go on the record.

Mick Strider's DD214 was redacted, and he refused to provide any additional information in it. Based on the visible information, it was presumed he served from 84-86, a presumption he glaringly failed to correct when engaging with McClung et al. It took a FOIA request to determine that the information on his DD214 is wrong in that regard, his service was from 85-86 (11 months).

You will note, I never stated that I believed he altered his DD214, others made those claims. I simply quoted them. I also stated repeatedly that I believe he served in the Rangers. I will further state that his Honorable discharge is legitimate, and that people claiming he altered that section of his DD214 are wrong. That said, they certainly are right that he's a poser, and if Mick Strider had only come clean about his service dates, I'd never have found out he went AWOL, only spent 65 days in the Regiment, and all the rest.
 
I think anyone in uniform that stretched a Labor Day weekend into six days deserves this kind of witch hunt.

6 day AWOL is definitely "worse than I thought" material!
 
I think anyone in uniform that stretched a Labor Day weekend into six days deserves this kind of witch hunt.

6 day AWOL is definitely "worse than I thought" material!

So it's ok to go AWOL if you are Mick Strider? Nice double standard.

LEGALLY, she's correct.

Man, you have already made the comparison of his AWOL with a FELONY OFFENSE.

On the contrary, I've provided repeated instances where his character is documented as lacking, and therefore we can question his credibility when he makes claims that do not bear up under scrutiny. Or are you saying these actions he performed show he is to be trusted?

Also, I accidentally hit the edit button instead of the quote and accidentally typed my response into yours. You have my apologies, I've removed it and posted it here. The intent was not to modify your text
 
Girl, you need to get out more. I don't know what you do for a living but I have a job. The last time I posted was yesterday. I think it is not unreasonable to imagine that I do not keep up with my hobby more than once a day. Since my last post more than 10 pages have been added, I can not even find my own last post without a search function and I stumbled over your accusations purely by chance. So much for ignoring you.

Your post I am referring to was on January 27th, in a seperate thread:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4310510&postcount=78

And yes, THEY have claimed it, a few years back, in the initial thread in the course of which Mr. Strider posted his blacked out discharge papers.

Who is THEY? lol. So, basically, you are spreading misinformation, across a multitude of threads, based on hearsay from the omnipotent "THEY", and it is somehow MY fault for setting the record straight and asking you to be accountable for the lies you spread?

For the record, I have NEVER seen that accusation anywhere... not even on THEY'S site.

So will THEY pay your attorneys fees if you run around misquoting information and opening yourself up for a libel suit?

I'm sure THEY will not.

Since Mr. Strider challenged in that tread pretty much all allegations, but not once the terms of this conviction, I had no reason to assume they were wrong. Since I am sure you are intimately familiar with the thread in question, I do not feel the need to direct you to it.

As to *certified (of course)*, I have yet to see (I may have missed it in this lengthy thread) anything *certified* that supports that Mr. Stider has actually done any of the things he has claimed to have done. All I have read so far are stories that read like they have come straight out of a book from the bestseller list table at Barnes and Nobles. The last actual evidence I have seen supports nothing more that he was a common grunt and not a "high speed" operator. So how about you show us something *certified* when you support someone elses highflying claims before you go around asking the same of others. I am a strong believer in the "most likely" theory. Since it will be a while till definite proof is furnished, right now I have a lot con and absolutely nothing pro.

Since I have no interest in getting as emotionally involved in this pissing contest as you seem to be, this will be my last post here. I will cast my vote with my money. Should you feel I ignore you in the future, you will in fact be right as I am going to put you on my ignore list, as have have read absolutely nothing but hot air from you in this thread.

Ummmmm........ ouch? Yeah, that's it. Ouch. ;)

m1
 
As for NousDefions, well man, if you are going to take the word of a guy who got kicked out of the Rangers, went AWOL, got popped carjacking, and lied about being in combat, that speaks volumes.

I think this is key. One deserves a second chance, but not always a third and a fourth one. More to the point, the benefit to the doubt we grant to someone we know nothing about doesn't apply to people whom we know have behaved dishonorably in the past. Then the onus is on them to proove that they deserve our trust & respect in any way.
 
I am not suggesting or accusing Mick of altering or forging anything. I, simply see like any reasonable person that the dates do not jive on the records in question. One of the two dates must be wrong, or altered. The question is which one someone can believe after reviewing everything else? One came from Badlands forum. The other from a government agency.

The other things that should show on the form that would indicate any corrections made to it in the remarks section are conveniently blacked out. If there is nothing to cover up why not show everything but the SSN and perhaps specialized missions or training only. For that matter if there is nothing to cover up or change, why edit and change old statements?

Contrary as I want to believe any objective person with no dog in this fight has to look at that form for what it is. The whole form stinks of a cover up.

STR
 
I just got off the phone with the Secretary of the 75th Ranger Regt. Association. He is also the editor of their magazine and has all their files. The 75th RGR RGT Assoc. does not perform any investigations of people unless they apply for membership. A member of the organization can and some do their own investigations on people. So to say that the Ranger Organizations are going after Mick is misleading

I noticed this one sort of got skipped
 
Mick Strider's own statements indicate he was working with "heavy hitters" who did some "good" work and some "less than" good work. True or false?

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This is just an interesting sentence to read dont you think?

notice the way it is writen, it whispers to your mind some things that dont actully appear there.

Do you catch yourself asking. "Who were the heavy hitters?.
Do you see your mind filling in the answers you think the writer suggests?

Thats clever writing guys!

The truth is, that when you just look at the simple words found in the sentence, it read like we are just talking about baseball right?....

"Perhaps the guy was with a baseball team?", - would be a question we might also come away with from this sentence too...

Lots of wiggle room here for a writer to claim all kinds of meanings to the sentence....
 
Mick Strider's own statements indicate he was working with "heavy hitters" who did some "good" work and some "less than" good work. True or false?

True. Notice that nowhere in your quotation marks are the words "Black Ops" or "Special Operations" used. However, in your first few posts, you clearly state:

"SECTION 7: Mick Strider states that after his time in the Army, he "rolled" with some "heavy" hitters and alludes that this time was spend performing Special Operations missions."

and,

'SECTION 8: Mick Strider claims in 1993 he was "tasked" with obtaining a vehicle and stole it / carjacked it. It is intimated that this was done while operating in a “black ops” style unit"

That's conjecture, is it not?

Mick Strider was removed from C CO 2/75 after only 65 days on station. I think his statements about it being due to an injury are bogus. He's refused to provide any medical documentation to back this "dxed for jump injury" story up.If the injury was so severe that he would be duty restricted, he'd be put on profile, hospitalized, or otherwise processed by military medical. He was not transfered to a Medical hold unit, FOIA documents show this. He was simply moved to A CO 3/47, from which he was in good enough shape to go AWOL.

I've had tons of friends that were medically discharged from the military, and none of them were transferred to "Medical Hold Units". They simply stayed with their own unit until the documents cleared. In Mr. Strider's case, he claims Regiment simply got rid of him... which happens frequently.

You "think his statements about it being due to an injury are bogus". Yet you have no proof otherwise, nor is it Mr. Strider's responsibility to provide any documentation to you.

That's conjecture, is it not?

Stating he has a background in Special Operations is a gross exaggeration at best, and an outright lie at worst. I personally have called into question the credibility of any claims that he operated as a civilian Special Operations type person. You, Michelle, and others, though, have been touting it, and said his claims of combat service were possibly during that time as well. By all means, if you are now agreeing with me that he wasn't a Special Operations type person after his discharge, speak clearly and go on the record.

I have NEVER ONCE CLAIMED MR. STRIDER HAD COMBAT SERVICE IN A CIVILIAN CAPACITY. Why place words in my mouth?

A person that has been through RIP and served, for any length of time in Regiment, has a Special Operations background. Is that clear enough?

"Stating he has a background in Special Operations is a gross exaggeration at best, and an outright lie at worst."

Sir, you already offered your Special Operations credentials, and they included THINKING about going to SFAS, CONSIDERING Regiment/Group support, and KNOWING a Best Ranger winner. THAT is "gross exaggeration", not actual Regimental service time... regardless of duration.

You will note, I never stated that I believed he altered his DD214, others made those claims. I simply quoted them.

My apologies.

I also stated repeatedly that I believe he served in the Rangers. I will further state that his Honorable discharge is legitimate, and that people claiming he altered that section of his DD214 are wrong. That said, they certainly are right that he's a poser, and if Mick Strider had only come clean about his service dates, I'd never have found out he went AWOL, only spent 65 days in the Regiment, and all the rest.
Wouldn't that have been a shame?
 
This is just an interesting sentence to read dont you think?

notice the way it is writen, it whispers to your mind some things that dont actully appear there.

Do you catch yourself asking. "Who were the heavy hitters?.
Do you see your mind filling in the answers you think the writer suggests?

Thats clever writing guys!

The truth is, that when you just look at the simple words found in the sentence, it read like we are just talking about baseball right?....

"Perhaps the guy was with a baseball team?", - would be a question we might also come away with from this sentence too...

Lots of wiggle room here for a writer to claim all kinds of meanings to the sentence....

Are you a graduate student who is fascinated with Derrida? This whole deconstruction schtick is getting a bit old.

How muddy can these waters get? Where's Gollnick when you need a "stay on topic, please" ?
 
Spark said:
Mick Strider's own statements indicate he was working with "heavy hitters" who did some "good" work and some "less than" good work.

Honestly, to me that reads like he was hanging out with petty criminals who occasionaly also did something "good", like help someone in need etc.
 
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