Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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Do you feel 65 days in the Batts is brag worthy?

Maybe not brag worthy but defiantly an accomplishment more than most will ever attempt in their lives. Second Bat is pretty far from the flagpole; the smokings that a cherry private would have got then would have been harsh by any standard. By today’s standard I bet lot of spec4 and up would be in jail if they tried the same stuff now.
 
Who cares about the deception as long as you get what you paid for?

Without the deception, from the name stamp on up, the knives never gain the cachet with the actual HS/LD users, which in turn attracted the legions of wannabes who mostly buy the knives to photograph them in their unused state, which in turn drove up the prices.

The suckers who don't know about the fraud are paying inflated prices, in good part, for a backstory with no merit.

Objectively, the knives are decently made from quality materials, but they are also pretty overpriced for what they are, especially given their known F&F issues.
 
I"ve had enough. I can't post here anymore guys. I don't much care for the implications this is leading up to with the hall of shame and all that. I can't find comfort in that direction at all.

STR
 
I've heard as much, but I'm not much of a union supporter in any capacity in the US anyway.

Me either... But tell you what, I wish I was getting SAG Stunt rates. I would have had a Leonidas a long time ago. I have never made good money doing this work. Thats the downfall of not being SAG. They shot a Walker episode before I started there, and the SAG stunt guys (which did jack shit but watch our guys do their everyday thing) absolutely shit bricks when they saw some guys doing Joust falls. One turned and asked how much "we" made and again shat himself at the answer. "DUDE we get $700 per fall..." I've got over 500 falls under my belt, easily.


I had thought about stuntwork myself, bought 2 gallons of fire gel (and the guy ion the phone selling it chastised me:confused:), nomex undies and did a partial burn, picked up a couple foam pads a nearby high school was throwing out from track & field (I had guessed they would have been good for 40 ft. stacked) and even had an old beater I picked up at auction that I wanted to try hood rides on. Unfortunately, all my friends said I was crazy to try a fall or hood ride and wouldn't give me an assist. And now, some years later, one of them is asking when I'm going to do another burn:rolleyes:

Stunt work is fun. Too much fun, but it is harder on the body than everyday life as a Grunt, I SHIT YOU NOT. If I was in the business of pandering to critics, you too could shit over my medical history like my Dr. and Chiropractors have. Dr. in the physical reading my history: "Jeezus! Are you held together with duct tape?" No, Titanium and scar tissue... Old track mats are being thrown out for a reason, don't risk your neck. As one of our guys broke it down for a noobie, "Don't be thinking you are Superman foo...Dat Foo came off a horse going a quarter a dis speed and ended up in a wheel chair, nyaga." (yeah that kid was a trip)

Stunts are nothing to fuck with on your own. If you aren't an athlete, possess good situational awareness, and have quick reflexes, don't waste your time. Stuntwork, especially the kind I've done, is a fast track to getting old fast. You better learn from a pro.

I understand your work is dangerous and difficult to be successful at. So when you can say this-

I say that is where you differ greatly from Mick.

I haven't done any stunt work, haven't yet deployed, haven't got my forge built yet; but I won't lie about the fact that I haven't done anything of significance.

I'm going to go out on a limb here dude, and try not to verbally whip your ass. Thats real shitty to dog pile people on the net that you have no business calling out. You tried to clown me to make another pathetic point. Honestly you don't sound like a fool hearted punk, but you definatly need some mentorship. DUDE. Stand on your own merits, and worry about being a successful you. I'm used to people not believing me. Fuck'em if their lives are lame. It doesn't take long for them to realize I'm not full of shit.

Seeing as how a "stay in your lane" offends people here, I'll just reiterate myself "Stand on your own merits, and worry about being a successful you." That means you don't rate to pick apart my posts about myself, to pull another shot on Mick Strider. Where I come from, and that is the FMF Infantry/Raider Company, You are a BOOT until you deploy.

Hopefully this post helps you on your way to becoming what you want to be in REAL LIFE, and not another chance to cut and paste another blurb as a stab at Mick. Take it as you may, but your response is a statement of your Character.
 
"Only when you have become successful do people start talking bad about you. As it is easier to bitch and complain about someone and hope you can bring them down to your level, then it is to put forth the effort required to move up to the level of the successful person."

Les Robertson

ironic considering that Mr.Robertson has fixed blade tactical knives from 18 different makers regularly listed on his site and Strider ain't one of them:D
 
How muddy can these waters get? Where's Gollnick when you need a "stay on topic, please" ?

Sorry. I had to arrange Service B for my car.

You are absolutely right that this has gotten a bit off-topic. It also seems like there's a lot of rehashing of stuff that's already been covered. I know it's a huge thread. But, if you're just joining us, even if you've been in and out over the course, please take the time to read the thread before jumping in. You'll save yourself te embarrassment of rehashing something which has already been covered.

At this point, barring the arrival of new information, I think we won't make any more progress here.
 
I don't know anything about Mick Strider other than what I have seen posted by him on Bladeforums and USN. I stumbled in the GB&U looking for something different, but found this. I only post here to offer a perspective outside of the bounds of what I have seen discussed so far.

Spark's initial posts are aimed at putting forth statements to discredit what appear to be questionable claims about specific military service issues. Spark (and others) believes these "crimes" against the military brotherhood should be exposed both to right that wrong and further, because of these claims being used for marketing purposes vis-a-vis publications.

I have never served in the military, but I have two brother-in-laws that have and one still does (Navy) and the other is an Army Reserve officer. My uncle is a retired Air Force short colonel and my father served in Korea. These guys all have shared their opinions about why they went in, why they stayed (or not) and their opinions about the enlisted men and women under their commands. FWIW, I think we should have mandatory service for every citizen - then our citizens would really start to take notice of what our foreign policies are due to self interest.

I have always maintained and always will (even in a time of war) that military service does not exist on a higher plane than other "civilian" occupations. Words that are commonly applied to military service such as "duty" "loyalty" "bravery" "brotherhood" can be found in other areas of life. Some soldiers don't stay in the military for those reasons - there are many reasons that people choose to join and remain in the military. So mis-representing your military credentials is no worse to me than doing so in other walks of life (like say, a doctor where peoples lives are on the line). So you can belch at me all you want about the higher calling of military service, and how I am an outsider and can't possibly understand, but it won't change my mind.

In my profession, if you are found to have miscommunicated your credentials - you will be blackballed, period. Your chances of ever getting licensed as an Architect in any state are slim and none. It is a pretty high penalty because the profession is based on trust that you are acting in the interests of the public (health, safety and welfare) and of your client. Good or bad, liars are rarely presumed to ever be trustworthy again.

I dont' know that anyone using a Strider knife is harmed by what appears to be some falsification of credentials - I don't think it affects the integrity of a slab of 1/4 inch plate steel. There are many companies that use a "military" connection to try and outsell their competitors - Busse, Mercworx, Dark Ops, TOPS - the list goes on and on. The veracity of this stuff becomes fairly arcane to those on the outside, like me.

That said, anyone in the public arena is fair game for criticism and I find it naive that people that use the various forums are surprised that Spark chose to post this information now, since from what has been posted, it is related to recent posts on other forums. Many knifemakers have been flayed on this and other forums, sometimes on fairly thin evidence.

I think that most Bladeforums members would be more interested in Strider Knives business practices, which as far as I am aware, are pretty exemplary. They are timely, stand behind their product, provide re-finishing at a nominal fee and have an outstanding warranty. Mick's personal prior history is irrelevant as regards his life as a knife manufacturer (and Spark has posted as such many times).

To finish - and I do have question, Spark - since Mick's statements were generated on other forums, and since Bladeforums is not a military club, and since as you state this has absolutely nothing to do with Strider Knives - why do you bother to put this post in the Good, Bad & Ugly? That area of the site states This is your area to tell about your experiences (Good or Bad) with dealers, sellers, and individuals you've bought, sold, and traded with.

You post should be properly located in Whine & Cheese, which is where personal rants are intended to go (and where moderators have put two of my opinion pieces in the past)- Go through the last 50 pages and that is pretty much what this thread is made of.
 
I"ve had enough. I can't post here anymore guys. I don't much care for the implications this is leading up to with the hall of shame and all that. I can't find comfort in that direction at all.

STR

Really, what is the point of all these "I'm not posting here anymore" proclamations? There have been aat least a half dozen in this thread and then the person either camps out on this thread while logged on or they can't stand it more than a couple of hours and post again. Its like a little kid jumping up and down to get attention. If you're going to leave, at least go in a blaze of glory and cuss out everyone so there is some entertainment value.

And the other things is, it seems like the Strider folks have given up and admitted that he has lied and now are saying "oh well its over, no need to continue it." How many of you saying that will post for days about Lynn Thompson and Cold Steel or the more recent Syderco vs. Benchmade? And not just on this site but on 2 or 3 knife forums, saying the same thing?

The people who have been saying that we should talk about knives are absolutely right, but it is funny how that applies only to the maker that they are fans of while totally trashing other makers. I came to this site looking for knife info and found a bunch, but recently it is just thread after thread attacking people. Some of it is deserved and some not, but some of you should stay consistent at least. You'll defend Mick on here in the face of overwhelming evidence but then turn around and try and lynch LT. What is up with that?

And no, this is not a farewell post.

Michelle or any of the Strider folks, can any of you comment on the Somalia thing? I posted multiple times and no one every answered.
 
That DD-214 was appended to a thread over at Badlands.com, a Strider owned forum, until February 7, 2007, when it was expressly pulled by Mick Strider himself pursuant to his own explanatory editing note.

You are making assumptions based on facts not in evidence.

Counselor.

I AM surprised at you. (actually, not really).

You ASSUME that the edits that were made on February 7th 2007 had to do with the DD214.

Once again, this whole assuming thing bites.

The DD214 was pulled in 2005.

Sloppy sloppy sloppy. Just like a LOT of this hilarious mess people are trying to state as "facts".

m1
 
Of course. You are aware of what the words allude and intimated mean, correct?

Now, I will ask you furthermore, are you aware of what lying by omission is?
Indeed I am. It is your CONJECTURE that he ALLUDES to "Black Operations". This was simply my point, and nothing more.

I also know the definition of "lying by omission". But the presence of omission neither confirms nor denies a lie. Don't put the cart before the horse here, Spark.

Please, by all means, back up this allegation. Please provide some sort of documentation or proof of your bonafides in being a subject matter expert on this, especially since you question my statements below.
My credentials are irrelevant, nor are they your business.

On the contrary. I cannot prove a negative, and barring other documentation it is not possible for anyone to prove he wasn't medically removed, it can only be proven that he was. That is basic logic. However, since he's making the claims, he needs to back them up. He refuses. His credibility has been called into question, therefore the credibility of this claim is suspect
See, now you're obfuscating the issue. I simply stated that your claims that he was removed from Regiment were conjecture... as they very clearly were. Is this incorrect?

I can find no compelling reason why Mr. Strider would need to provide you, someone who is so very clearly his enemy, with documentation of any kind.

As a followup question, do you feel it is likely, or even probably that he had combat service in a civilian capacity?
My opinion on the likelihood of that is irrelevant... just like yours.

Do you feel 65 days in the Batts is brag worthy? When you hear someone say they have a Special Operations background, do you think "oh, that guy was kicked out of the Batts!" or do you draw another conclusion? Would you consider someone saying they have a Special Operations background of 65 days in the Ranger Regiment to be a credible source on anything Special Operations related? How many other people with Special Operations backgrounds used for bonafides have such a remarkable amount of training compressed into those 65 days?
Horned Toad, a man with quite a bit of time at Regiment and RRD (wow, by the way), answered this far better than I could. To wit:

"Maybe not brag worthy but defiantly an accomplishment more than most will ever attempt in their lives."

Wrong, utterly wrong. I've said I understand how they work, however I've repeatedly gone out of my way to state that I was in no way in Special Operations, nor was I any sort of operator, commando, or otherwise special. I did some cool stuff, but that's the extent.
I never said you claimed you had. But the only time I've ever heard people saying things like the ones you said were trying to impress someone. That may not be your intention, but it came off that way.

I was a lowly Combat Engineer, who served honorably. Something you saw fit to snipe at, I will remind you, without even providing any credentials of your own. Furthermore, you did this while showing the remarkable lack of intestinal fortitude and shallowness of character to call out an E1 who was barred from re-enlistment, who went AWOL, who lied about another vet with honorable discharges from the Marines and Navy, and wound up being a convicted felon.
If you recall, I immediately edited my post and posted a quick apology. It was a low blow and I again apologize.

As for the second part, well, I believe you just gave us a fine example of an ad hominem argument.

If you think I'm gaining any pleasure out of this you are wrong. I will say again, I've opened up my personal and professional reputation to ruin.
That sounds quite dramatic.
 
If you think I'm gaining any pleasure out of this you are wrong. I will say again, I've opened up my personal and professional reputation to ruin. I've opened myself to unlimited liability if I'm wrong. But I've stepped up and answered the challengers. You, meanwhile, have taken shots at me while hiding behind anonymity. Please do not allude that I'm doing this gleefully

Thank you for saying that as no one should think that this is fun. I know how hard it is to do this but when you live with honor and integrity it carrys through to every aspect of your life. You simply told the truth and posted the facts. The only person responsible for this is the person who lied or gained from false pretenses. That's all. I've been in the same situation as you know and while I wanted to look the other way and not get involved because it would cause problems in my life and business I had to do the honorable thing and tell the truth. In the end honor and decency always win.
 
Who cares about the deception as long as you get what you paid for?

I think a lot of people care. Quite a few people are buying the myth as much as they are buying the knife.

What i'm wondering is how many people have come to this thread thinking, "Mick is a great guy that makes great knives", and now are thinking, "Wow, was I ever wrong, Mick is a lying skunk and I wouldn't purchase anything from him, or were the opposite has happened, as opposed to those that already had their minds made up and were just looking for vindication.

What I have seen here is very little reasoned discourse and a great deal of reveling in seeing the mighty Mick torn down. On the other side I have seen a lot of comments that lead me to believe that the posters don't care what Mick has done, they are going to support him come hell or high water. It is doubtful that the people that already had their minds made up will have been swayed by this thread, but I wonder what the effect has been on those that didn't have a dog in the fight?
 
At this point, barring the arrival of new information, I think we won't make any more progress here.

I think we need a new thread with updated facts for a better overview soon. >50 pages and still going like a vulcano.





BTW, the brainslugs are still collecting reputation points. (Gotta catch em all!) Now they made a round call to start personal attacks and Mick-protecting at CPF. Unbelievable how many new members - who happen to be Strider-fanatics - a flashlightforum can get in a day. :rolleyes:
"boohoo, because you're so mean, I'm gonna buy three MSCs just to show you, you.... you misguided dentalstudent you!!"

Astonishing, but not really surprising. Can't believe I supported them and Strider Knives once... I guess I was too young and naive. :rolleyes:
 
SNIP

I have always maintained and always will (even in a time of war) that military service does not exist on a higher plane than other "civilian" occupations. Words that are commonly applied to military service such as "duty" "loyalty" "bravery" "brotherhood" can be found in other areas of life.

That might be true of certain, intense, civilian occupations. Law enforcement, firefighting/EMS, SAR but don't try and sell us on the Brotherhood of the Cubicle or the Shared Sacrifice of the Showroom Floor. Maybe you are talking about the self imposed danger of mountain climbing or something, it matters not. Most people never conciously risk life and limb on a daily basis like people in the military do, even in peacetime.

There is a reason why there is a distinction between those who have served and those who haven't and those who haven't often fail to get it.

Some soldiers don't stay in the military for those reasons - there are many reasons that people choose to join and remain in the military. So mis-representing your military credentials is no worse to me than doing so in other walks of life (like say, a doctor where peoples lives are on the line).

It is only worse because doing such misrepresentation is the stealing of the deeds and accomplishments of folks who have often paid the highest price possible by saying "I did stuff like that" when they didn't. It's alright. You simply don't get it.

So you can belch at me all you want about the higher calling of military service, and how I am an outsider and can't possibly understand, but it won't change my mind.

Good, then you can just be called wrong on this point and we can move on.

In my profession, if you are found to have miscommunicated your credentials - you will be blackballed, period. Your chances of ever getting licensed as an Architect in any state are slim and none. It is a pretty high penalty because the profession is based on trust that you are acting in the interests of the public (health, safety and welfare) and of your client. Good or bad, liars are rarely presumed to ever be trustworthy again.

So far so good. . .

I dont' know that anyone using a Strider knife is harmed by what appears to be some falsification of credentials - I don't think it affects the integrity of a slab of 1/4 inch plate steel. There are many companies that use a "military" connection to try and outsell their competitors - Busse, Mercworx, Dark Ops, TOPS - the list goes on and on. The veracity of this stuff becomes fairly arcane to those on the outside, like me.

. . .and then the train leaves the track. True, nothing Strider has said or done
affects the physical properties of a slab of cutlery steel.

If a fake architect manages to design a sturdy house, is he/she still qualified to continue to design structures?

Mick Strider's inflated resume built in a presumption that his tools were the best available for the job. From "first-hand experience" he knew, as a designer, what it took to put the best tool in the hand of the American fighting man.

That turns out to be a load of crap. In fact, many other folks of more extensive "first hand experience" did and do not agree that unergonomical, cord wrapped stainless steel knives fit their mission requirements. Now they don't even have to wonder about the "combat inspired insights" that went into various designs. That insight only exists in the fake architect's mind.

That said, anyone in the public arena is fair game for criticism and I find it naive that people that use the various forums are surprised that Spark chose to post this information now, since from what has been posted, it is related to recent posts on other forums. Many knifemakers have been flayed on this and other forums, sometimes on fairly thin evidence.

When thin evidence is all that is available, one makes the most of it.

I think that most Bladeforums members would be more interested in Strider Knives business practices, which as far as I am aware, are pretty exemplary. They are timely, stand behind their product, provide re-finishing at a nominal fee and have an outstanding warranty. Mick's personal prior history is irrelevant as regards his life as a knife manufacturer (and Spark has posted as such many times).

Well, their advertising practices, (a business practice when last I checked) are redefining deceptive.

To finish - and I do have question, Spark - since Mick's statements were generated on other forums, and since Bladeforums is not a military club, and since as you state this has absolutely nothing to do with Strider Knives - why do you bother to put this post in the Good, Bad & Ugly? That area of the site states This is your area to tell about your experiences (Good or Bad) with dealers, sellers, and individuals you've bought, sold, and traded with.

You post should be properly located in Whine & Cheese, which is where personal rants are intended to go (and where moderators have put two of my opinion pieces in the past)- Go through the last 50 pages and that is pretty much what this thread is made of.

This is where prospective buyers get referred to when making inquiries about various makers.

The verdict here, such as it is, has been one of "nothing wrong with the knives per se, but don't be taken in by the mil-spec spook cachet." Not groundshaking, but a good deal closer to the truth than the knife buying community was last month.
 
Wow, I went a whole 11 hours without getting another one of those mindless E-mails. Then I posted here and bingo another silly "I wish you would die asshole" mail had to arrive. Love those heroes that hide behind a username.

For the record once and for all, I supported Mick during the initial stages of this pissing contest in 2003-2004. I had heard so much of the man's military doings I simply figured he was working for Blackwater, KBR, Dyncorp, Armorgroup, Aegis, CTU, or Triple Canopy. ( We all know there are others with no names or names like mary Kay!!!) I have yet to hear anything to corroborate or dispute this and know that there's lots of Black Op stuff being done that do not require TS/SCI (with full scope poloygraph). To the Contrary they sometime look for guys just like Mick. BUT Mick's not come forward and cleared this up and it's been close to 20 years. My oldest Son does some work that requires the highest level of clearance available to a civilian and I know he cannot say word one to me, and will not say word one to me. I honestly believe if someone had a gun to my head and demanded he disclose he would not. Maybe that's where Mick is/was and why he is maintaining silence. I am guessing and speculating that top secret means exactly that.......

In any event, there is nothing more needed to hurt Mick Strider, I believe you have hurt him deeply and I don't know the guy at all. Mick is probably far thicker skinned than most but this has got to cut deep into his heart and hurt terribly. Can we now stop kicking the guy while he is down and just lock this until and unless something new and important comes to light?
 
Just a couple questions. Pointless and I will catch hell. What do I care it's the internet and I don't know who any of you really are in real life.

Has MS commited a crime? And if so are you or anyone else filing charges on him? I just want to know if that is the point of this thread.

I thought there were bigger things in this world to worry about and fight over.
Rapists,child molesters,& murderers being free to walk the streets.

I have read so far that MS is a liar,druggie,drunkard,literally shit someone had to pinch off,deserter,copyright infringer,mentally disturbed,makes bad knives and alot of other horrible things.

Did you start this because of your personal agenda,to sue him, or at this point would lynching him set things right for you all who have been dishonored?
 
If you aren't going to bother to read the thread, why are you posting in it? Oh wait, what a shocker, this is your first post.
 
You are making assumptions based on facts not in evidence.

Counselor.

I AM surprised at you. (actually, not really).

You ASSUME that the edits that were made on February 7th 2007 had to do with the DD214.

Once again, this whole assuming thing bites.

The DD214 was pulled in 2005.

Sloppy sloppy sloppy. Just like a LOT of this hilarious mess people are trying to state as "facts".

m1

Do dates really matter when it comes to Mick? Was it 1984 or 1986? Was it 2005 or 2007? Since you know the behind the curtain scenes over at Badlands, you tell me, why did Mick Strider edit the lead post in "Losers!" as recently as February 7, 2007?

And even if I have the date of the edit wrong, it's really an immaterial error, born of reading Mick's post as Mick wrote and editied it, given the "last edit" footnote. When he did it is a canard.

Is anyone denying that the DD-214 in question IS NOT the one that has been batted around both here and in 2005 at TF.com?
 
What I find interesting is the fervor in which they pick at our posts looking for new angles to play, when they obviously have the case solved. I mean really, they have a bomb proof case right?

This boils down to something ugly. The protagonists are after one thing, and they are leading with their chins. What if Mick just came out and apologized and whatever? What then? Would it be kind of anti-climactic? That would be yalls lifetime crowning achievement. WOW. I guess that would make y'all king shit in the chatroom and at the occasional knife show after parties. You take down a rockstar and where's that leave you? A bagged and hagged Courtney Love.

if you have such a bombproof case then it will stand on its own merits, and the AUTHORITIES will handle it. But your actions speak differently, and they aren't spoken with CONVICTION which is made of Granite, more-like Confidence that shatters like glass. Your actions tell the tale, you have found your "shiny booleets" and perceived them as silver. I think your metallurgy sucks. Your next immediate action is redundant. Spray and Pray. Just keep firing away with those silver booleets every time you post and before long people will have "seen" or "heard" it enough that it becomes their dogma.

This stems from malicious intent. You are just out to wreck someone. You are grabbing every rock you can to throw, and if you can't pick it up you indoctrinate enough people to your Palestinian-like cause, so you can pick up that Jersey Bumper and smite that Tank with it. That Jersey Bumper is there for a reason, and if the tank wanders it will smite itself on it. There's a lot of big if's.

STAY TUNED FOR A REDUNDANT RETORT, REAFFIRMING THE CAUSE!
 
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