Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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Spark,
I'm glad you put this all together in one place. I had heard rumors but didn't pay much attention to it till now. Sure clears it up for me.

Buck Knives should also sue him for providing them a BS story that will probably also cost them money and reputation since they seem to think he's something he isn't.

Again, I'm glad to see it all in one place. Makes it clear in my mind what he truly is.

As an active duty soldier (no, not a SF fire breather, I'll tell you the honest truth unlike others) I'm greatly offended by his lies.

I think they have just passed a new law making it a crime to misrepresent your military service. I hope a DA somewhere looks into using it in his case, especially since he's making money from his lies.
 
roughedges said:
Mick Strider own (maybe? maybe not? who knows any more) Strider Knives Incorporated and NOT Cold Steel.

Man, you've got some reading to do!
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Yes, clearly.
But then again, SPARK reads like he has been dealing with the same guys for years, I just learned about this from this topic alone, YESTERDAY....

I may have to go change a few of my past posts from "CS guy" to Strider (im not sure how CS got into my mind )...But the context about this same real "person" being a Walter mitty" is the same....


I dont have a clue about Strider Knives, never been to the website, just now learned they were around....
Cold Steel knives seem great to me,
 
I see no problem with creating a fictional character in this walter mitty style, as you describe it. (Myself, I think that is being a bit polite about that matter.)

However, when one rewrites his life to include many veiled references to nefarious and/or heroic deeds and then uses that (false) persona to hype up himself and his company and to sell his product well.... that is something else entirely. It is not an interesting writing style, not an attempt to entertain his customers and perspective customers. It is a conscious and willful attempt at subterfuge and obfuscation, to mislead and to build upon lies that can always be denied because of said writing style.
 
roughedges said:
I see no problem with creating a fictional character in this walter mitty style, as you describe it. (Myself, I think that is being a bit polite about that matter.)

However, when one rewrites his life to include many veiled references to nefarious and/or heroic deeds
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Thats the trick of being a good writer and teller of a good story.
You can make carefull "veiled references" that will allow the reader to color-in the unknowns with his or her own context.
"Ranger"....the word can mean anything.
'combat" also this word can mean anything.
"heavy hitters"...it's a term that the writer knows the reader will color for him,,,thats why you would use such a veiled reference.

this would be different than a case of real fraud. That would be where you wear a army metal, or put on a cop's badge and tell people you are something you are not inorder to seek advantage over them somehow.

Now this person may be guilty of a real fraud I dont know that i dont know the law, but so far I have not seen anyone post something from his writings that were clearly against the law to my point of view.
 
Allan Molstad said:
Thats the trick of being a good writer and teller of a good story.
You can make carefull "veiled references" that will allow the reader to color-in the unknowns with his or her own context.
"Ranger"....the word can mean anything.
'combat" also this word can mean anything.
"heavy hitters"...it's a term that the writer knows the reader will color for him,,,thats why you would use such a veiled reference
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I understand all of that Allan and within the context of the fictional world (eg, in a novel) I have no problem with it. In fact, I have employed it. But, as I've said several times now, it is another thing entirely when a person, a REAL person, adopts such a persona by means of such a literary conveyance. It is bad form at best and even worse when one profits off of it. Worst would be to profit off ofa fiction that others actually lived, and died, by.

Did you read the rest of my post?
 
Spark said:
If you aren't going to bother to read the thread, why are you posting in it? Oh wait, what a shocker, this is your first post.
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That's not very fair. You've got people with pretty good post counts here that aren't reading everything and are posting up stupidity, unchecked.

You knew darn well when you started this that it would be drawing new registrations and people to your forum Spark. As such you are going to have people whose first post(s) are regarding this debacle. And now you can't be bothered to clarify things for people, or politely answer their questions, but instead insult them for being new here?

m1
 
Bohica2u said:
NousDefions:

http://news.webshots.com/photo/1360693012071563064EdLRaD

Is this really you? If it is, you are rolling with some heavy hitters. :thumbup: :thumbup:









BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Why are you wasting bandwidth and cluttering up this discussion?

You still have not contributed anything of any kind of importance to this topic, but instead feel a constant need to scream LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!! The only time you get a response is when you write something disgustingly stupid that you get told to edit.

If I go start you your very own thread somewhere else, will you go play over there and leave this discussion to the people with something intelligent to say please?

I guess you have a high enough post count to not be admonished by someone else. :rolleyes:

m1
 
Michelle said:
SNIP

You are asking me to make an assumption or be speculative.... something you all are good at, but me, I try not to be so much. I know the original posting of the DD214 in Badlands did not have that red Strider Approved crappola on it.

m1
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You've seen the original posting then, sans the red superimposition, correct?

Is there any other material difference between the red stamped one and the one you have seen?

The "why" as to whether it is immaterial that the red stamped one is authentic or "strider apporved" is that despite the red typeover, the underlying document is a spitting image for the one described by Beau Springer as the one he saw Mick employing in his own defense in 2005.

Eyewitness account of the MS DD-214 UFO:

The following was posted by Beau Springer on 07-21-2005
http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000514;p=1#000000

No one falsified your military history but you. The DD214 that you posted at “badlandsforum.com” was blacked out and provided details for only two events: that you went to the three week Ranger Indoctrination Program ("RIP"), and Airborne School. The Ranger Indoctrination Program is a school that anyone with hopes of serving in a Ranger Battalion may attend. Attending RIP and Jump School is very different from serving as a Ranger, and one may serve in a Ranger Battalion without doing or seeing much of anything. One cannot fault you for concealing sensitive personal information, but your DD214, as conveyed, is a worthless document. Note at the top left of the DD214 that it states: “ANY ALTERATIONS IN SHADED AREAS MAKE FORM VOID”. If there’s more to your military history then please refute these statements with something stronger than a blacked-out DD214 and some “can’t talk about it” remarks. Your ex-wife states under penalty of perjury that you are a liar and cites specific lies that you have made regarding your military service [Reference attachment, page 2, “Responsive Declaration to Order to Show Cause or Notice of Motion Case No. DN94369” as filed by Chelsea Mayne dated July 12, 1999].

Your DD214 also indicates that you served in the Army from 1984 to 1986, and of course this is insufficient time in which to serve as an Operator with a [high-speed] SOCOM organization, and not enough time to train or learn the skills necessary to be a Ranger (Ranger School alone requires a time commitment in excess of two years time left in service).
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roughedges said:
It is bad form at best and even worse when one profits off of it. .....
Did you read the rest of my post?
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Oh yes, I read em.
Bad form, yes, I agree with that for sure.

I dont have a problem with a salesman telling a good story to sell his product better.
I dont expect the used car I just got to really have had only one owner before I got it, who only drove it to church on sunday...
I dont trust, nor do I believe much at all of the personal stories i read on the internet that people tell about themselves.

I think this guy Strider, was a lost soul that seems to have built up a new company and come out with some knives. For that I guess I should be thankfull, at least he didnt end up forever on welfare or locked up in jail again and again.

As far as people being perhaps upset that they got a knife and then learn later that the guy who started the company was not as interesting as his hype?

Well, sorry, but buying hype is always risky.
 
Bohica2u said:
NousDefions:

http://news.webshots.com/photo/1360693012071563064EdLRaD

Is this really you? If it is, you are rolling with some heavy hitters. :thumbup: :thumbup:









BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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No, can't say that it is. If you notice, that guy is in ROTC... not active duty service.

You've certainly tried to use a lot of Google-Fu in this thread, but I think you've come up empty on this one.

Nice elbow flashlight, though.
 
Michelle said:
That's not very fair. You've got people with pretty good post counts here that aren't reading everything and are posting up stupidity, unchecked.

You knew darn well when you started this that it would be drawing new registrations and people to your forum Spark. As such you are going to have people whose first post(s) are regarding this debacle. And now you can't be bothered to clarify things for people, or politely answer their questions, but instead insult them for being new here?

m1
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Michelle, (vitriol removed, I shouldn't have said it) this thread is 50+ pages. I don't give a crap if someone registers to ask questions. To register, take shots at me, and not even read the thread is another matter. The person I responded to asked a question that had already been answered, not once, but repeatedly. Hell, the very first response in this thread by Lifter covered it.

As for posting up stupidity, I have corrected what I can, where I can. So I will thank you not to belittle me any further in an attempt to shift the blame off Mick. I think it would be fair to say that each group has it's own stupidity.
 
Bohica just got an infraction for his picture post there. Let's drop that subject. Bohica, stop trying to dig up dirt on ND.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
I think a lot of people care. Quite a few people are buying the myth as much as they are buying the knife.

What i'm wondering is how many people have come to this thread thinking, "Mick is a great guy that makes great knives", and now are thinking, "Wow, was I ever wrong, Mick is a lying skunk and I wouldn't purchase anything from him, or were the opposite has happened, as opposed to those that already had their minds made up and were just looking for vindication.
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Wow.

This is my first post on this forum which I just joined yesterday to do some research before buying a SOG Trident, and I find all this Strider drama. :eek:

Personally, I don't care about Strider's past, and I wouldn't ever buy a knife based on "the myth" OR on his truthfulness or lack thereof.

I've heard quite a bit about Strider knives, and how good they are. Until today, I hadn't heard a THING, good or bad, about Mick Strider.

If it's a good knife it's a good knife, regardless of who makes it or what the past was.

What's the big deal? :jerkit:

Oh, if anybody is totally disgusted and wants to sell me a Strider knife for $20 bucks, I'd be happy to take it off your hands. :D
 
Allan Molstad said:
Oh yes, I read em.
Bad form, yes, I agree with that for sure.

I dont have a problem with a salesman telling a good story to sell his product better.
I dont expect the used car I just got to really have had only one owner before I got it, who only drove it to church on sunday...
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I can't disagree with your last post at all Allan except for this used car salesman part. A car salesman lying and or hyping up the product he is selling and a company president (or whatever Strider is, that is no longer at all clear to me) hyping up his past in a way that dishonors others are two inherently different things.


SKI's products stand on their own merits and Strider's knife making abilities are not at all in doubt. While not my cup of tea he makes a fine knife and his stock removal skills are simply amazing. His products can stand on their own merits, as do his skills, though they may fall due to those of their maker.
 
mchlwise said:
If it's a good knife it's a good knife, regardless of who makes it or what the past was.

What's the big deal? :jerkit:
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Just this little thing about HONOR, which the maker in question has popped off about too much in the past for his own good.

Seriously? Your nonchalance about matters like this is one of the things generally wrecking this great country.

A culture that tolerates, no breezily dismisses, lying, cheating, and the unrepentant stealing of the valorious service of others--just to get ahead or get a good deal--is a culture that ain't got long to live.
 
roughedges said:
hyping up his past in a way that dishonors others are two inherently different things.
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See , I have not a long history of reading Strider's posts as maybe others here.
I have not read that he made such a dishonorable claim yet?

I have seen only what people have posted on this topic. Yes, I may have missed a few posts where it was copy/pasted, but I have tried to catch up with the topic.

I have read the copy/pasted stuff that is claimed was writen by Strider and I find it funny.
But thats about all...

I find his stye of writing to be clearly meant to be seen as 'over-the-top' and I dont believe a word of it.

I also make note that in the Strider posts (that I have seen on this topic), he has been carefull not to really openly claim to be or have done anything that would get him into fraud....

but he is a colorfull writer thats for sure.
 
Boats said:
Just this little thing about HONOR, which the maker in question has popped off about too much in the past for his own good.

Seriously? Your nonchalance about matters like this is one of the things generally wrecking this great country.

A culture that tolerates, no breezily dismisses, lying, cheating, and the unrepentant stealing of the valorious service of others--just to get ahead or get a good deal--is a culture that ain't got long to live.
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Not to mention the apparrent double standard. If Mick Strider deems something worth screaming about, a lynch mob is formed.

When Mick Strider is caught in his own lies, "what's the big deal?"

I've still yet to get a satisfactory answer as to when it's ok to lie about your military record. Or when it's ok to shit on people who served because you want to excuse your own felony. Or how it's honorable to use that lie to profit.
 
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