Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

[MitchC]

I have read this whole thing. I just wanted to know if you are planning or directing others in the direction of charging MS with a crime?

 

[Allan Molstad]

but I wonder what the effect has been on those that didn't have a dog in the fight?

OK, that me.
So Im going to comment again-

I didn't know about Cold Steel (CS), or the guy who started it untill I saw this topic.

From what I see so far, the knives of Cold Steel seem fine.
They seem about as good as most other company's knives that are out there.

Now as for the Cold Steel guy?
I think he is 'troubled, a good story teller, and harmless.
He does have an interesting way of padding a story to make it more fun to read.
Clearly he has added to the story of his life a lot over the years as he has been telling it.
I took a short trip over to his Website, and I concider it too to be part of the joke of his that he has going about his past.


As for this topic?
I have read the posts of others that are saying that the CS guy claimed this or that, my concern is that much of the "proof" they copy/paste here has been not that much "proof" of anything at all.

The one post that was made that was supposed to prove that the CS guy had claimed to be working for the goverment and on a secret mission and was the reason he took that car?
,,,well, when I read what the CS guy actually said about that matter I dont see it as a claim to work for the goverment at all.

The use of the phrase "heavy hitters" gets me to believe that this was all still just more of the same little joke he was telling.
The context tells me that the use of the term "heavy hitters" was in-line with the rest of the story that also was invented.

Some then tried to suggest that perhaps the CS guy broke a fedral law by making a claim to be in the Army when he was not?
Again I found the proof so far posted a little lacking.

The CS guy writes in a Walter Mitty style,. but he also seems to leave himself a carefully writen "out" so that he can have the needed wiggle room to prove he didnt directly break a fedreal law.

(thats just what I take from this topic so far...)

 

[C. STORR]

You simply told the truth and posted the facts. The only person responsible for this is the person who lied or gained from false pretenses. That's all.

This pretty much sums it up. Spark may have opened up quite a discussion, but I don't believe he posted anything that wasn't already out there in the public domain. He made no assumptions, nor did he pass along any heresay. Just the facts as they have been presented by court documents, other printed material and Mick's own words. Nothing wrong with that, legal or otherwise.

Keith - to answer your question of about two posts up, I don't have a dog in this fight, and don't own any Striders. The information posted by Spark has not swayed my future actions one bit regarding whether I will/will not buy a Strider at some point. Some of the irrational apologists have made more of an impression on any decision I make in that regard.

 

[Boozoo Chavis]

What strikes me as odd is that the USN folks and Strider supporters in general are vociferous supporters of all things military yet they fall all over themselves to defend a convicted felon, and a man who has continually puffed up (actually, outright lied about) his military service... Sounds completely hypocritical to me.

If Strider had any honor at all he would have come clean about his felony conviction and all the fabricated military nonsense years ago.

 

[borebrush]

That might be true of certain, intense, civilian occupations. Law enforcement, firefighting/EMS, SAR but don't try and sell us on the Brotherhood of the Cubicle or the Shared Sacrifice of the Showroom Floor. Maybe you are talking about the self imposed danger of mountain climbing or something, it matters not. Most people never conciously risk life and limb on a daily basis like people in the military do, even in peacetime.

There is a reason why there is a distinction between those who have served and those who haven't and those who haven't often fail to get it.

Well said... The rest, well... thats your bag, not mine. You can hump it yourself.

 

[roughedges]

Mr. Molstad.... it is Strider himself who is writing in the Walter Mitty style and not "the cold steel guy". It is a fine story telling device certainly but, when one uses it to describe themself and their own life, then it becomes something else entirely.

 

[Grayscouts]

What really bothers me is that all these Strider people keep saying Mick is living the Ranger way and hes soooo honest and nice and ........ So what if he made up stuff years ago.....

He is not living the Ranger way or showing integrity if he still is living a lie and acting like he is something he never was. I understand these people look up to Mick like he is a god and no matter what, they will never believe the truth. Our only hope is to make sure others read this and are not duped by a poser.

Paul

 

[JD Mandrell]

You can do that too.
Any writer can use all the letters and words man has ever come up with to mean totally new things.
Thats the fun part of being a writer , you can invent a whole new world, fill it with ideas, people, places, and name them whatever you want.
.

OK, I get it. Since no words ever have any fixed meaning, then Mr. Burger has never lied, because his words just meant something different than eveyone else's do.

i.e...."saw combat as a Ranger"....really meant "I violently carjacked an innocent person".

So from now on, I can describe my years as a "volunteer EMT" as time spent as a "combat medic on a SPECOPS A-Team"?

COOL!

 

[Boats]

OK, that me.
So Im going to comment again-

I didn't know about Cold Steel (CS), or the guy who started it untill I saw this topic.

From what I see so far, the knives of Cold Steel seem fine.
They seem about as good as most other company's knives that are out there.

Now as for the Cold Steel guy?
I think he is 'troubled, a good story teller, and harmless.
He does have an interesting way of padding a story to make it more fun to read.
Clearly he has added to the story of his life a lot over the years as he has been telling it.
I took a short trip over to his Website, and I concider it too to be part of the joke of his that he has going about his past.


As for this topic?
I have read the posts of others that are saying that the CS guy claimed this or that, my concern is that much of the "proof" they copy/paste here has been not that much "proof" of anything at all.

The one post that was made that was supposed to prove that the CS guy had claimed to be working for the goverment and on a secret mission and was the reason he took that car?
,,,well, when I read what the CS guy actually said about that matter I dont see it as a claim to work for the goverment at all.

The use of the phrase "heavy hitters" gets me to believe that this was all still just more of the same little joke he was telling.
The context tells me that the use of the term "heavy hitters" was in-line with the rest of the story that also was invented.

Some then tried to suggest that perhaps the CS guy broke a fedral law by making a claim to be in the Army when he was not?
Again I found the proof so far posted a little lacking.

The CS guy writes in a Walter Mitty style,. but he also seems to leave himself a carefully writen "out" so that he can have the needed wiggle room to prove he didnt directly break a fedreal law.

(thats just what I take from this topic so far...)

Dude, this thread is about the Strider guy, not the CS guy, though he's a dirtbag of a different odor.

 

[Bohica2u]

You guys are killing me. *yawn*

Some of us don't like Kool-Aid, so go back to the Reverend Jim "Strider" Jones camp. :jerkit:

 

[Allan Molstad]

Mr. Molstad.... it is Strider himself who is writing in the Walter Mitty style and not "the cold steel guy".

Perhaps I misunderstand who is who.

who is Strider?

Why cant everyone just use there real names...so i can keep track....?LOL

 

[Spark]

Mr Molstad, if you aren't going to bother to learn the facts of who's who in this thread, please don't bother posting in it.

 

[DocArnie]

He made no assumptions, nor did he pass along any heresay. Just the facts as they have been presented by court documents, other printed material and Mick's own words. Nothing wrong with that, legal or otherwise.

[...]
Some of the irrational apologists have made more of an impression on any decision I make in that regard.

The "apologists" don't care. Most of them didn't read what Spark wrote and brought together. They just were told by their wiser, better, higher-decorated bros what to do and that's good enough for them.

At CPF, I said "go read the thread at bladeforums and form your own opinion". Result? The green army was sent by their leaders to register at CPF and spread the word of Strientology and fight the blasphemists.

ETA: I'm not the one who started it there.

And I'm not talking about Michelle. I actually understand her position.

 

[roughedges]

Perhaps I misunderstand who is who.

who is Strider?

Why cant everyone just use there real names...so i can keep track....?LOL

Thats the problem. Strider IS his real name after he changed it from Mickey Ray Burger. He named himself after the "ranger" Strider (aka Aragorn) from the Lord of the Rings. I could dredge up the background on that character to an embarrassing degree as I highly loved the books myself as a teenager. However, I grew out of it along the way.

 

[Allan Molstad]

OK, I get it. Since no words ever have any fixed meaning,
i.e...."saw combat as a Ranger"....really meant "

Yes, the context given a sentence by the writer alone decides the meanings to words.
The struggle of the reader is to unlock the writers context and thereby understand the words that are writen.

"Saw combat as a ranger"...whats it mean to you?
Whats it mean to the next guy?
Whats it mean to me?

Well, did the guy serve in any body that was known by anyone as the "rangers"?

If he did , then this part of the sentence is OK, and we can move on.

If the guy never was part of any group or body , or anything that was known under the name "Rangers" then we have a problem with understanding what the writer meant here.
At that point we might try to look at the term "Rangers" and learn what other meanings there are for this term that might fit this context.....

the same is true when we move on to the word "combat"...

 

[Allan Molstad]

Mr Molstad, if you aren't going to bother to learn the facts of who's who in this thread, please don't bother posting in it.

Um, I am bothering to learn who the players are.
remember, I dont know this damn "Strider" from Adam and Eve...

I dont have a clue about Cold Steel.

But Im asking questions so that I find out..so i am bothering to learn.

 

[NousDefions]

"Saw combat as a ranger"...whats it mean to you?
Whats it mean to the next guy?
Whats it mean to me?

It means one thing, and one thing only.

The debate here is certainly interesting, but it isn't an argument about semantics or literary perception.

Again, please stop.

But Im asking questions so that I find out..so i am bothering to learn.

Might I recommend the "search" button located at the top of the page?

 

[roughedges]

Mick Strider own (maybe? maybe not? who knows any more) Strider Knives Incorporated and NOT Cold Steel.

Man, you've got some reading to do!

 

[Michelle]

Do dates really matter when it comes to Mick? Was it 1984 or 1986? Was it 2005 or 2007?

Nice attempt at deflecting, evading and redirection. Actually, no it's not. It's a sloppy attempt. Again.

Since you know the behind the curtain scenes over at Badlands, you tell me, why did Mick Strider edit the lead post in "Losers!" as recently as February 7, 2007?

Would you like a screen shot of the original edit date? I do track edit changes in the background. I would hope most forum admins do.

And even if I have the date of the edit wrong, it's really an immaterial error, born of reading Mick's post as Mick wrote and editied it, given the "last edit" footnote. When he did it is a canard.

It is not immaterial. It is another example of you being so blinded by this mob-mentality in here, you are not even doing a good job regarding some of your claims, by the very standards of your own profession.

Is anyone denying that the DD-214 in question IS NOT the one that has been batted around both here and in 2005 at TF.com?

You are asking me to make an assumption or be speculative.... something you all are good at, but me, I try not to be so much. I know the original posting of the DD214 in Badlands did not have that red Strider Approved crappola on it.

m1

 

[ako Knife Lady]

Um, I am bothering to learn who the players are.
remember, I dont know this damn "Strider" from Adam and Eve...

I dont have a clue about Cold Steel.

But Im asking questions so that I find out..so i am bothering to learn.

Mr. Molstad,

There are now 52 pages of information that should answer most of your questions. Also consider doing a search for Cold Steel.com and "Mick Strider".

If you want answers to your questions, take the time to read first. Then you will have the same knowledge the rest of us are privy to.

Pam