Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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mchlwise said:
I don't understand why, but whatever.

I'll go back to lurking for SOG info and deciding which knife to buy now.

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My original Tigershark was a pretty darn good factory knife. Check out some custom's too.....catch the bug........you will live to regret it, but you will have a LOT of fun......lol
 
Spark said:
NousDefions, I know. Say what you will, but I've tried very hard to make sure the things I claim to be facts, are. Regardless, they are seperate from me. They apparrently were suppossed to put this up 2 years ago.
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Regardless what I think of Mick or you, a simple link to this thread would probably suffice for that site.

The post that has gone up doesn't seem to serve a purpose other than confusion.

Wow! For once we agree on something.
 
So Strider is liar #1, a convicted felon #2, made claims that aren't true about his Army experience. Is villified here and glorified there. I'll never own a Strider new or used. What I still want to know is how the hell does he carry a handgun. Anyone knows please fill me in. NYS you can get a relief of some sort that may allow you own a long gun but I don't think you can own a handgun. keepem sharp
 
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Michelle or any of the Strider folks, can any of you comment on the Somalia thing? I posted multiple times and no one every answered.
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That's par for the course I think. answer the questions that will help, and ignore those that won't.

We still don't know why he jacked the car either :)


mchlwise said:
And I'll pre-emptively state that "because it makes him a bad guy" won't cut it. If I based my product buying decisions on the "honor" of the CEO or upper management of the manufacturer, I'd be making my own clothes and living Grizzly Adams style in the mountains.
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or you'd be carrying a spyderco. ;)
 
mchlwise said:
What does any of that have to do with his knives, and why should I not buy them because of any of that (IF it's even true)?
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Mchlwise,

Throughout this long thread, it has been stated and stated yet again, that this isn't about Strider Knives, either as to the quality of the knife or as to the company.

As far as I can tell it isn't really about his felony conviction or time in jail (except as a reference point to certain quotes and time frames).

It is about a man that seems to have lied, mislead, and allowed others to make gross errors about his military experience (as already proved in civil court, and in articles and ad copies). It is about stolen honor! That may not be a big deal to you, but it is to many real veterans, and now to the government. I have no idea how this will ultimaely play out but reading a quote on pownetwork.org
All 2007 claims highlighted in lavender are eligible for prosecution under the STOLEN VALOR ACT signed into law Dec 20, 2006.
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At this point his notation doesn't seem to be highlighted, but as more information comes in, that could well change.

Again, I am saddened for everyone involved.

Pam
 
mchlwise said:
Uhhh.... what about a culture that viciously attacks people, tearing them down by bringing up their past mistakes and turning any exaggeration into a national incident.
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Hell, that's the national sport. If we could go back in time, we'd get an earful on the topic from Thomas Jefferson.

This is the internet, and it's business. On the internet and in the business world, exaggerations, hype, etc. is all commonplace and none of it should be taken at face value.
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Not even when a company builds its entire advertising presence upon blatant deceit?

The Mac vs. PC commercial I saw on t.v. this morning exaggerated faults to try to tear one down and build up the other, and it was also offensive.
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Are you saying that PCs don't suffer viruses, have no style, are not prone to malware, don't require driver hunts, crash more than they have a right to, are a relative nightmare for the average user to diagnose or upgrade, and aren't desperately hyping a new bugware operating system that pales in comparison to that which it apes?

Here's a hint: Microsoft=Cold Steel. Bill Gates=Lynn Thompson with money. Apple=the Real Deal, BTDT, got the T-shirt.

It's impossible to slander or libel Microsoft.

If anyone makes a decision on which knife to buy based on the maker's background, they need to get a life. Make your decisions based on the merits of the product against another product.
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No wonder you like PCs, you have no concept of what a total ownership experience is all about. I could never take pride in ownership in a Strider now that I know what sullies it.

I have no appetite for "fake but accurate," so it isn't a stretch to believe that I don't stand for an "outright fake" any better. I don't watch CBS News, and I was disgusted to find that some professors at my alma mater still have I, Rigoberta Menchu as required reading. This last one being a "fake but accurate" autobiography of a Nobel Laureate exposed as a fraud in 1999.

Anyone who goes to this much trouble to attack someone's credibility also needs to get a life.
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Getting at the truth of the matter has often been a thankless task.

Snipped the rest of a lame post.
 
longbow said:
What I still want to know is how the hell does he carry a handgun. Anyone knows please fill me in.
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It has been hypothesized that some of Mr. Strider's posts from a few years ago infer that he has been carrying a weapon since his incarceration. I took them to be referring to the time he spent BEFORE his imprisonment.

No evidence has been presented that he carried, or definitively claimed he carried, a firearm since his release.
 
NousDefions said:
It has been hypothesized that some of Mr. Strider's posts from a few years ago infer that he has been carrying a weapon since his incarceration. I took them to be referring to the time he spent BEFORE his imprisonment.

No evidence has been presented that he carried, or definitively claimed he carried, a firearm since his release.
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This is an original Mick Strider quote:
I would like to get an SV pistol some time though and try it out for carry. My hand is large enough for double stacked 45.
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borebrush said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here dude, and try not to verbally whip your ass. Thats real shitty to dog pile people on the net that you have no business calling out. You tried to clown me to make another pathetic point.
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I really just did it cause you went a little far in your comment to Spark, imo, and I think he's a cool guy, so I let my sarcasm kick in (I'm not saying it was funny or intelligent)

Honestly you don't sound like a fool hearted punk, but you definatly need some mentorship. DUDE. Stand on your own merits, and worry about being a successful you. I'm used to people not believing me. Fuck'em if their lives are lame. It doesn't take long for them to realize I'm not full of shit.
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I do stand on my own, and I don't make claims about things I haven't done.You could be lying about yourself, but I'm really not inclined to think so. Though, I do think Strider has made a living misrepresenting himself. I'm not saying this in some effort to boost myself, I don't even use my real name here or discuss my personal affairs anywhere on the net, so this doesn't benefit me. I'm just throwing out my commentary on what I think of the situation and the man. At the end of the day, what Strider does doesn't really impact me, but I still have an opinion about it. The purpose of this thread was to clarify the things which some, myself included, find troubling about Mick. This really doesn't help or hurt me, and maybe I have a little too much faith in the independent thinking of others, but I don't think my ramblings are changing their opinions and harming Strider. Outside of Spark's posted information, and direct comments on it, we've been through a thousand posts of horseplay.

Seeing as how a "stay in your lane" offends people here, I'll just reiterate myself "Stand on your own merits, and worry about being a successful you." That means you don't rate to pick apart my posts about myself, to pull another shot on Mick Strider. Where I come from, and that is the FMF Infantry/Raider Company, You are a BOOT until you deploy.
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I look at it more as a customer/knife user and as a person who has worked with others who have performed their missions rather than as a service member who hasn't done anything but make it through training (of course I am all of these things). It doesn't bother me that Strider's misrepresentations might harm me in any way, since I have nothing much personally to be harmed, but that they dilute/taint the efforts of other knifemakers who don't use the military as a launching pad, and those I know who actually have deployed and done what I and seemingly Mick haven't yet. Mick didn't deploy with the US military, nor have I seen anything to make me believe he did contract work, and that's why I don't feel any reason to cut him slack. On top of that, there are those who have gone out and done the job, but it doesn't make them good people. I mentioned Zoltan Szabo earlier. The man served in Vietnam and even got a commission for his effort. When it was later taken away (back down to E-7), he compromised the security of the US and betrayed other service members. He also did this while maintaining friends and being a charming, good guy to be around-since that's how you get your sources. An extreme example, but that just shows to me that less severe/detrimental fabrications by Strider are completely possible. So I just don't place personal accounts of Strider over official documentation of his actions. With more personally viewed events, I was around other service members who were caught trafficking drugs, committing physical assault on civilians, and even a few NCOs next door to me tagged for sexual assault on junior enlisted. I have to look at the person, not the uniform.

Hopefully this post helps you on your way to becoming what you want to be in REAL LIFE, and not another chance to cut and paste another blurb as a stab at Mick. Take it as you may, but your response is a statement of your Character.
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I try to learn from my own experiences, and what I can gain from others. All I feel I can gain from Strider is a checklist of things not to do, and I as of yet see no reason to view it differently.

Sorry, Gollnick, it's sorta on topic. :D
 
hey Spark, I read your links...Good Gaud, that 2nd one was longgggggg

Me and another guy named something like g cowboy were always on the same page reading tonight, it was kinda fun to race .

Anyway, that 2nd link had a few interesting parts, BUT for the life of me that topic turned into something that sure seemed to be the same as this topic.

For a while I was not sure if I was here back on this topic or still back reaDING THAT OLD ONE?
Anyway....Im back now
 
Pete1977 said:
That's par for the course I think. answer the questions that will help, and ignore those that won't.
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How could I comment on the Somalia thing?

You must have mistaken me for a Bladeforums regular.

I have not talked to the prosecutor on that case. If anyone else has talked to that prosecutor, please do share your conversation and experience regarding this issue. If you have NOT spoken with the prosecutor on that case, I don't see where you get off stating a SPECULATIVE comment about it one way or another.

Do I think Mick lied about his military career? No. He was a batt boy in the 2/75, he got dropped from Battalion due to medical, he was honorably discharged thereafter. He had a bad attitude and got an article 15 for it on his way out.

It's funny. The type was a big thing for a while there... the document was FORGED everyone STATED AS A FACT, and the Honorable status was FORGED everyone jumped up and down and STATED AS FACT because it wasn't typed in ALL CAPS. Now you're left standing there with THAT rug pulled out from under you, so we move on to something else.. and something else... and something else. It's pathetic.

See, I try my best not to comment on things I don't have solid knowledge of. This makes me a minority here. I'm okay with that. No, I'm actually proud of it.

There is more unmitigated bullshit in this thread than I have ever seen in one place. You want to say BL has a lot of tall tales and BS in it? You've got BL beat 24 ways to Sunday on the bullshit factor.

Well done Sirs. Well done.

(and Spark before you get all flipped out and think my comments are directed soley at you, that's not the case. I am talking about this zillion-page farce that's been allowed to spin out all over the place with rampant, disgusting, speculation and tripe).

m1
 
Perhaps i can attempt to explain my opinion why some folks on BF may be so irritated with Mr. Strider.
If you have not been in the military or had love ones who were, then it may be difficult to understand what may appear to be an overeaction on the part of those folks. I can't really do any more to help you to understand their position.
What I will attempt to do is maybe explain why some knifemakers might have a problem. Understnd that I am coming from this from the perspective of an ABS member. While knifemaking is a business for a goodly number of people, for most of the guys that I have interacted with, it is more along the lines of art, a first love, a calling, a treasured hobby or all of the above. I could not imagine 2 more different knifemakers than the late Bill Moran and our Mr. Strider. Bill and his friends pretty much set up the ABS in his own image, with the mission and guiding principle being to preserve the art of the forge blade. The occasional politics and grumbling aside, the way is has accomplished that mission is by being totally inclusive, totally open and by teaching and sharing with all. I have commented in the past that the ABS members are the strangest breed of businessmen that I have ever met because they have no trade secrets and share all of their hard earned proprietary knowlege with anyone who asks. To me, Strider is the complete opposite of that. He comes from a world of questionable dealings both in his personal and business life. Any chance of Mick having seminars where he tells all about how he makes his knives and his "secret" heat treating methods? hmmmmm. I guess the simple way to say this is that. to some knifemakers, Mick Strider is the antithesis of what they feel a knifemaker should be and that his behavior dishonors the craft.
 
mchlwise said:
Sound like what they say to noobs over at CPF: Hold on to your wallet!

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Absolutely correct, young jedi......prepare to hear a loud sucking noise coming from the general direction of your checking account..........lol
 
Mr. Mollstad, sincerely, thanks for the laugh! "who's Strider?"
I'm not laughing at you, I'm ... well...just laughing.

As always I had to play catch-up, I did, infact pick up where I left last night, and i ahve read each reply, apoliges for my timeliness.
I will comment on Roughedge's writings from a few pages back (Mr. Gollnick, I do beleive this is relevant, but feel free to steer as necessary).

Roughedges is correct to ask the apparantly rhetorical question: [paraphrased] Is it Ok to "profit" off of a fabricated persona, lies, or less than truthful "facts"?

Basic business ethics. Fair business practices. Many will imediately scoff, turn OFF their brain and say "well, all businessmen are crooks!" Not so.
In fact like Police officers, a vast majority (99+%) are hard working and honest. It' the dishonest businessman that makes them all look bad.
Imagine for a moment you have your own business and your competitor uses half-truths and even falsehoods to gain marketshare and turn profits.
Is this ethical? Is is right?

Mr. Molstad, with all due respect, I will reply to your example of the buying a used car, YES I do expect the truth!! Truth in Advertizing. And if your business sells me something under false pretenses, then there is a problem, and a law has been broken. That's why it matters.
Allowing businessmen to conduct themselves less than honestly is almost as silly as the notion that since a firearm was not brandished during a carjacking it is somehow not a big deal that a car was, in fact, jacked! Nonsense.
i cannot for the life of me figure out how this type of thought has gotten so pervasive in our society.

Mr, Gollnick, the relevancy, I believe, is that there were some posters who were asking So what? , what does this all mean? , what does it prove?, where does it lead?
While we understand Mr. Sparks interest is more centered on the aspect of misrepresenting one's service record, after reading the 50+ pages, we can reasonably start to draw a conclusion that there are other possible ramifications that come from not representing ones self in a truthful manner.

Has a law been broken by misrepresenting ones past in order to conduct business more favorably? I cannot say, for sure. Does it seem worthy of discussion, I submit that it does. I look at this "business ethics" aspect as parallel, not tangential.

Shouldn't we reward good honest businesses, and shun those that operate in a "shady" manner? Ask any honest businessman his opinion on this matter.

analogy-Hasn't anyone heard about people being fired from a job for falsifying their resume?

The implications here may reach beyond dishonoring those who served, not to belittle that aspect one bit.
 
DocArnie said:
This is an original Mick Strider quote:

"I would like to get an SV pistol some time though and try it out for carry. My hand is large enough for double stacked 45."
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I'd like to get a Ferrari and use it as a daily driver. But that doesn't mean it will happen, or has happened in the past.

You're grasping.
 
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