Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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Stop with the sniping people.
 
Since you didn't bother to read the thread, you are just trolling. As such, you can either leave the thread, or leave the site. Your choice.
 
Spark said:
Michelle, do whatever your conscience tells you. I've been updating the original posts in this thread as I've had more information, good or bad.
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I wasn't asking for ethical advice, merely how you wanted it done from one admin to another.

I've pulled the content of the original post, inserted an explanation for the edit in bold face, and linked to my apology.

Thanks,

m1
 
Order said:
I did read the thread. That was the conclusion I came to.
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I've already stated my reasons, so no, that isn't why the thread was started. Again, if you are going to attack me, it doesn't answer the statements I've made.
 
45 people are reading this as I type. I got out when it exceeded my capacity to asimiliate. It began affecting my well being. I'm not claiming PTSD, but I have been thru my share of life before I mobilized, and since then, I don't want to do much with people in general - including myself. So I just walk away. I don't fault others for not doing it either.

Boats has made an apology public, due to a communication from Kit Carson. He understands his role, and now regrets it. Perhaps some others can take that as an example of leadership; others will quietly wait to see how things turn out. This has become a bright spot in the whole sorry mess.

It's been repeatedly pointed out that there are far more important things that need our attention (like work). Let us return to it.
 
tirod3 said:
45 people are reading this as I type. I got out when it exceeded my capacity to asimiliate. It began affecting my well being. I'm not claiming PTSD, but I have been thru my share of life before I mobilized, and since then, I don't want to do much with people in general - including myself. So I just walk away. I don't fault others for not doing it either.

Boats has made an apology public, due to a communication from Kit Carson. He understands his role, and now regrets it. Perhaps some others can take that as an example of leadership; others will quietly wait to see how things turn out. This has become a bright spot in the whole sorry mess.

It's been repeatedly pointed out that there are far more important things that need our attention (like work). Let us return to it.
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I am one of the 45 people you observed reading this. I exercise my right to spend my time as I see fit.

I see a lot of things that I like in the knife world. Any man who is willing to risk his personal honor, treasure and good business repute to illuminate something he thinks is wrong with it earns my attention.

Watching this man refuse to back down despite derision and scorn in his face, and desertion on his flanks, renews my faith in the idea of an inherent noble nature in some men that the warrior code seeks to distill from the mass.

Along the way, it has been very entertaining to watch people fling every one of the classic logical fallacies at his so-far impenetrable argument, and all the moralizing and logical suicide-bombing on the other side is hilarious.
 
DocArnie said:
I was told the same thing when I was banned for posting here at bladeforums.
That's because whoever banned me, was too lazy to change my user title and my profile. (maybe they thought it's funny to fool banned persons)
If you can't load anything but the welcome page, you're banned. That's what one of the admins once told.
And I'm not posting this to continue a forum war.
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When I logged in it said welcome and then deposited me right here on TGB&U forum here. Like I was being forwarded to here instead of logging me in. After she posted I went and tried to log in and everything was back to normal. Doesn't matter, I won't be participating anymore over there. My friends there are elsewhere and here so I'll just stay where I belong.

Like I posted previously, I was at the New York Custom Knife Show a couple years back at a table just down from theirs. I heard the stories about the special ops and the military service and I believed all the hype. This thread isn't about product quality.

What bothers me about this thread is that everyone seems to think that it's okay to lie without consequences. This type of thread is the consequence of continuously lying and building yourself up to someone you're not.

Rangers who lead a Ranger life and are honorable don't lie about who they are or puff themselves up about who they are. There's no need because you are who you are by your own merits and when you lie to everyone about those merits then you taint whatever else you've tried to do.

Someone who builds up a huge church in their community, donates to causes, helps people out and then is caught doing bad things like the recent news stories is held accountable for all those lies, not for the good they tried to do while lying.

I'll stop rambling now. :)
 
I'm with you Suzanne.
I don't want Mick Strider to go to jail, or to quit his business. It would be nice if he stopped lying. No more, no less. I'd even consider to buy another knife from him, if I fell in love with one of his designs.
I don't hate that guy - just his kool-aid-drinkers. They really pissed me off. :barf:
 
NorthStarXO said:
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Rangers who lead a Ranger life and are honorable don't lie about who they are or puff themselves up about who they are. There's no need because you are who you are by your own merits and when you lie to everyone about those merits then you taint whatever else you've tried to do.
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Honestly, I think those are the only folks that will effect any change here. If it were to get to a point where it was known that active duty or former Rangers or other members of the military were questioning his integrity and deciding to walk away from Mick Strider (as a person) and Strider Knives, that would be damaging to the extent that his supporters would be left with very little to say. Criticism or support from everyone else in all likelihood won't change a thing. The reasons for this, I believe are twofold.

First, most people are reluctant to change a core belief, even when presented with contradictory evidence, as it would mean admitting your world view has some serious flaws in it. For most of us, that's a near impossibility, as anyone knows who has ever tried to win a debate on gun control, abortion, or any other political hot potato. The camps of supporters and detractors here are no less adamant in their convictions.

My second point would be that that's especially difficult when your devotion to a particular product is based on a cult-like admiration of the person who makes that product. Make no mistake about it, Strider Knives for many of the folks who own them were purchased not just for their edge holding or cutting abilities, but for a chance to own a piece of the "Strider legend." This is marketing, and without a doubt those guys deserve high marks for that. Their products are very good, and their service reputation is as good as it gets. Excellent, in fact.

This is the opinion of a consumer however, but not someone who has ever served in the military. While I may be disappointed or offended by some questionable claims of a man' military career, I've never lost a friend or relative who was serving, and so have nowhere nearly as much invested as those who have. For me, it's just knives, but for them it's far more personal.
 
geegee said:
First, most people are reluctant to change a core belief, even when presented with contradictory evidence, as it would mean admitting your world view has some serious flaws in it.
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It would appear that the counter argument to all of Sparks questions is this:

If a man leads a good life full of charity and good deeds in most of his life, he is allowed to lie about another part of his life as much as he wants. When he talks to you and says he did this and that, at these times and these places and your logical response is "ya, no you didn't. you just said you had a injured spine. also, that regiment of the army doesnt allow that to happen like that. oh, and I was there, I called up the head of my regiment, and you weren't in it."

Your supposed to say "yes, I know your lying to me, but thats okay. you make nice knives, and you give discounts to the military you say you served in."





Please understand that many people dont like being lied to, and wont accept any of number of good deeds as a validation of good character from them if the person continues to lie to them.

All that has to happen is a validation of micks records, wich, as long as he did serve in the military during the times and places that he did, should be available through the branch of the army he served in. If they match what he says, then these questions stop being asked.

[edit]: From anyone. The records don't have to come from Mick. If you can come up with verifiable documentation of his time served in somalia, or his other military service statements, they would work.
 
This whole thread deeply saddens me,
to see all the parties involved just picking away like a bunch of Hyenas trying to pick apart a carcass,is very disturbing...:(
im not going to quote posts, (yes i read the entire thread)
i personally don't see anything but folks trying rip apart a man' integrity and livelihood...not right!
i don't care how much "proof" is posted, this has evolved into a witch hunt
i honestly hope you folks can sleep with a clean conscious...
i know in my heart i couldn't
Spark, i know you probably could care less what i have to say, but im asking you to look into your heart and see what is really going on here
 
I'm sorry, but if you are trying to hold me responsible for Mick Strider's own words and deeds, you've pretty much missed the point. The day I feel sorry for pointing out a lie as a lie will be the first. If you are saying that it's ok to excuse such behavior, you should look in your own heart and examine what's really going on there.

If you want to talk about a pack of hyenas, I notice that there is a huge double standard and hypocrisy in place. The same people that are the first to scream for blood are saying forgiveness should be the order of the day now. That sickens me even more than the claims of PTSD & other excuses posted.
 
i didn't miss the point your trying to make, far from it...
its what the total thread has evolved into, im sure you know what i mean
you say folks have had a change of heart?
maybe , just maybe, God has touched there soul...
may God forgive you all
im sorry i had to say my piece, im sorry if i offended anyone,
i'll not post any more on this thread
 
chisel said:
i didn't miss the point your trying to make, far from it...
its what the total thread has evolved into, im sure you know what i mean
you say folks have had a change of heart?
maybe , just maybe, God has touched there soul...
may God forgive you all
im sorry i had to say my piece, im sorry if i offended anyone,
i'll not post any more on this thread
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Perhaps God will touch Mick Strider's soul and give him the strength to admit he's been a pathological liar for years... If I were you wouldn't I hold my breath - that's asking for one big ass miracle from a guy who has been lying for years.

BTW, Strider makes some very decent knives that are very over priced.
 
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