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Osu8233 said:
I made a mistake I take full ownership of it and I wish I would have handled the problem in a different way. It is my loss I should have protected myself.


As for the 300.00 I have not washed my hands of it paypal took the 300.00 the day steve escalated the concern. I have been on the site like 5 times a day and no change. Paypal told me since it was escalated it has to run it's course. Like I said before if for some strange reason paypal ends the claim and does not give steve his money. I assume paypal will give me the 300.00 back and I will give it to him. I can only work with in the paypal system
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Wow, sounds good to me.
 
Osu8233 said:
Hi Thank you for letting me know about this thread. As i told the buyer I am will to work this out with him but I am not as he said just going to give him his 300.00 back. I have been using this site for about about a month now and have nothing but positive feedback I have also been using Ebay for years and have almost perfect feedback. I have never once had a buyer claim I did not send out a package as a should and in the thread below I see a lot of people saying this. My user name in Ebay is osu8233 please feel free to check out my feedback. I used paypal as I always do to ship the item I then stood in line and handed the postal worker my package and about 5 others. In the rules for this site the insurance rule for Buyers and the one for sellers contradict each other and the rules says when that is the case we go with the more stagnant rule. Set that aside for a moment I can put my self in the sellers shoes and i would not want to be out 300.00 and I do want to be out 300.00 or have my paypal locked seeing as i use it to feed and provide fro my family. I am willing to split the loss I will give the buyer a 150.00 credit. I will email him to let him know. Please provide me with any feedback you can thanks and I will be insuring everything from now on.
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If you stood in line and went up to the counter and handed the packages to the postal worker to be checked in, that means that the postal worker also would have handed you a dropoff receipt.

There is NO proof whatsoever that you went to that post office and dropped that package off unless you have that receipt.



I'm not implying in either direction, just stating the fact because I've been through this same thing myself. I run a business, and I NEVER, EVER drop a package off on the counter anymore, without getting a receipt.

If something like this happens, you have NO proof that you did anything buy print a label. If you spend the extra couple minutes and get a reciept, then you have proof that the package was shipped, even if it doesn't show in tracking.
 
Osu8233 said:
But for the majority of the people that replied to this theard have to agree maybe they could have handled their comments to a new paying member a little better. When I read over the site before I joined I would have never paid my 25.00 if it said any where that when you make your first mistake or have your first issue people are going to not sell to you or not buy from you and basically treat you with total disrespect.
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In regards to this point - the disrespect and/or displeasure that people have voiced towards you did not come about solely because you had an issue. Several people here encounter bumps in the road on B/S/T deals. That in and of itself does not necessarily earn the ire of the membership. It's because of how you were publicly handling it, and yourself, at the outset. If your first reaction had been to tell the forum "I'll refund your money and then see what I can figure out regarding the whereabouts of the package" then folks here would probably have said "That's the right thing to do, good on your for stepping up to handle the problem." Instead your initial choice was, for whatever combination of reasons, not to follow that course and that's what made folks sour. Your contrition in the most recent post is a step in the right direction.
 
jujigatame said:
In regards to this point - the disrespect and/or displeasure that people have voiced towards you did not come about solely because you had an issue. Several people here encounter bumps in the road on B/S/T deals. That in and of itself does not necessarily earn the ire of the membership. It's because of how you were publicly handling it, and yourself, at the outset. If your first reaction had been to tell the forum "I'll refund your money and then see what I can figure out regarding the whereabouts of the package" then folks here would probably have said "That's the right thing to do, good on your for stepping up to handle the problem." Instead your initial choice was, for whatever combination of reasons, not to follow that course and that's what made folks sour. Your contrition in the most recent post is a step in the right direction.
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I publicly posted an issue with a transaction between myself and Woodsyone, here in this forum, and we both got support and kind advice from all posters involved.

There was a typo in the address, the package was returned to me, and I was delayed in shipping the second time around. I was completely honest and upfront with the buyer, he was understanding and patient, and the transaction resulted in a happy buyer, and mutual positive feedback.
 
But that was admitting everything up front, so how are you going to be hurt by telling the truth and making sure that you do right by others?
 
braillediver said:
steve_ob968 any word on your refund?

Osu8233 is Selling again and taking payment via PayPal.
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That's because he is some kind of knife dealer, he has 77 posts on here, and he has started 32 sale threads, almost all of his posts relate to the selling of knives, aside from the ones in this thread.

I find it odd that someone would join a knife forum and not post in any forum other than the sale one. He registered in Dec 2010 and didn't post for a few months, in my mind because people wouldn't want to buy from a new member, but when he started selling he was a few months old.
 
I've never been involved in a paypal dispute, but I have filed a couple of eBay disputes. The sellers always went ahead and refunded my money, once eBay got involved. I can't believe that Osu8233 can't tell paypal he wants to go ahead and refund and close the case. Osu8233 seems to have gone out of his way to delay and not refund, IMO.
 
In fact I found this about paypal's dispute process, so it seems the money can be refunded and the case closed, if the seller will do so....


My dispute has been resolved, can I close the dispute?
Question :
Answer :
You can close a dispute, however make sure that you are 100% satisfied that the dispute is resolved before closing it.

If the seller offered to refund your money, for example, make sure the money is in your PayPal account before you close the dispute. Once a dispute is closed it can't be reopened or escalated to a claim.


Here's how:

1.Log in to your PayPal account.
2.Click Resolution Center.
3.Select Open cases from the list and locate the transaction.
4.Click the Case ID under the Case column.
5.Click Close Dispute.
6.Add any additional comments in the comment box, then click Close Dispute
 
I have been fortunate over the years as an Ebay member to only have to file a dispute 2 times. They have to do a full investigation and if I remember correctly the first one took over a month to be resolved in my favor.

The other one some guy had put up a stolen photo of a Spyderco Civilian and made 10 listings with it. It got 6 sales in about an hour so it was a lot more obvious it was a scam and money was returned much quicker.
 
Liveitloud said:
I have been fortunate over the years as an Ebay member to only have to file a dispute 2 times. They have to do a full investigation and if I remember correctly the first one took over a month to be resolved in my favor.
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Yes, that's true if the party that's having the dispute filed against them, will not voluntarily make the deal right. (most will once eBay is involved it does little good to fight them) It can take some time, but if they will go ahead and refund it's over right away.
 
jill jackson said:
if they will go ahead and refund it's over right away.
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I was forced to file a claim on ebay about two weeks ago and the next day I had a full refund.

The details of my case have nothing to do with what is going on here but I just wanted to add my experience.
 
What I am saying, is I find it difficult to believe, if the seller will willingly refund and make good, that either eBay, or paypal would tie the process up. It's in their interest as well, to resolve these cases. After all they have paid employees that deal with them and dragging them out unnecessarily would only cost money. Closing the case when I dealt with eBay was as easy as the seller refunding and me accepting. Nothing was ever froze and I got the impression accounts would have only "frozen" if the seller wasn't willingly refunding. After all, just why would paypal freeze an account if the seller was co-operating? They do that to prevent a seller from removing all funds and I'd think only in cases, where they suspect there's a good chance of that happening.
It seems to me Osu8233 is not telling the story straight at all. He claims to be a seasoned seller on eBay, yet would mail a 300 dollar knife off, without even tracking? Everybody on eBay knows without it you are screwed if the buyer says they never received the item. Then he can't refund all of a sudden because his account is conveniently "frozen", because the buyer made a claim? Seems he just wants to play the victim, to me. If his account is really froze, it's because he wouldn't refund the money, they wouldn't have frozen it otherwise.
 
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Just like my last few posts I made a mistake and did not understand the rules I own that I wish I would have handled everything differently if I could do it again. I am truly sorry to everyone involved that is upset with this.

The 300.00 was taken out of my account as soon as steve made the claim with paypal. I am not doing anything to slow the process down I want the claim closed. I don't have any option on my end with paypal to close the claim if I did I would have already done so. I was told by paypal it has to go thru there process. I also stated that if for some strange reason paypal refunds the 300.00 to me I will still give it back to steve. I did not get insurance my loss.

For the members that are making accusations please stop. I have been selling on eBay for years I have used insurance in some cases and some I have not I am aware of all of their rules I have never had any claims with paypal against me or any with eBay in all these years. I have shipped hundreds of items and have never had anything lost in the mail. Not that it is anyone's business but I joined this site to buy knives and sell that's really it I did not see any rule against that. As for me being a dealer I am not in any way. I want this resolved as soon as everyone else does. Jill Jackson you have been playing both sides of the fence here to claim all these things about me and then when I confront you on it you change your tone the things you are saying have no merit and I have been telling the whole story since this started. If you are such a know it all way don't you have paypal give steve the 300.00 they took from me.
 
Osu8233 said:
Just like my last few posts I made a mistake and did not understand the rules I own that I wish I would have handled everything differently if I could do it again. I am truly sorry to everyone involved that is upset with this.

The 300.00 was taken out of my account as soon as steve made the claim with paypal. I am not doing anything to slow the process down I want the claim closed. I don't have any option on my end with paypal to close the claim if I did I would have already done so. I was told by paypal it has to go thru there process. I also stated that if for some strange reason paypal refunds the 300.00 to me I will still give it back to steve. I did not get insurance my loss.

For the members that are making accusations please stop. I have been selling on eBay for years I have used insurance in some cases and some I have not I am aware of all of their rules I have never had any claims with paypal against me or any with eBay in all these years. I have shipped hundreds of items and have never had anything lost in the mail. Not that it is anyone's business but I joined this site to buy knives and sell that's really it I did not see any rule against that. As for me being a dealer I am not in any way. I want this resolved as soon as everyone else does. Jill Jackson you have been playing both sides of the fence here to claim all these things about me and then when I confront you on it you change your tone the things you are saying have no merit and I have been telling the whole story since this started. If you are such a know it all way don't you have paypal give steve the 300.00 they took from me.
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I have not "played both sides of the fence". I've dealt with eBay and paypal also. I just stated what I've seen. (I haven't seen paypal or eBay give anyone a hard time about refunding, money when they want to) It's completely illogical to everyone here but you, as to why the OP hasn't gotten a refund after all of this time. Also, if your account is frozen, then why are you still selling here at BF, on the exchange and accepting paypal? Doesn't frozen mean you can't use it at all?

Right here you say you accept paypal, frozen account how can you?
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=835050
 
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Osu8233 said:
Just like my last few posts I made a mistake and did not understand the rules I own that I wish I would have handled everything differently if I could do it again. I am truly sorry to everyone involved that is upset with this.

The 300.00 was taken out of my account as soon as steve made the claim with paypal. I am not doing anything to slow the process down I want the claim closed. I don't have any option on my end with paypal to close the claim if I did I would have already done so. I was told by paypal it has to go thru there process. I also stated that if for some strange reason paypal refunds the 300.00 to me I will still give it back to steve. I did not get insurance my loss.

For the members that are making accusations please stop. I have been selling on eBay for years I have used insurance in some cases and some I have not I am aware of all of their rules I have never had any claims with paypal against me or any with eBay in all these years. I have shipped hundreds of items and have never had anything lost in the mail. Not that it is anyone's business but I joined this site to buy knives and sell that's really it I did not see any rule against that. As for me being a dealer I am not in any way. I want this resolved as soon as everyone else does. Jill Jackson you have been playing both sides of the fence here to claim all these things about me and then when I confront you on it you change your tone the things you are saying have no merit and I have been telling the whole story since this started. If you are such a know it all way don't you have paypal give steve the 300.00 they took from me.
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You still need to address the issue of being a dealer once you clear up this whole mess.
 
Like I have stated before I am not doing any thing to hold up the refund of the money. I thought at 1st the dispute would freeze my account but it did not again this is the 1st dispute I have ever had. I will contact paypal again to see if there is anything I can do to help this along
 
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