Mod'ing The CS Trail Hawk

Here's my second hawk. CS norse. Used it to practice most of the fancy stuff I've seen here and on pro work. Most fun part was the pewter work.
I followed Alan Longmire's instructions:

http://forums.dfoggknives.com/index.php?showtopic=9559

Learned a lot. The pewter castings were pretty rough but luckily one side was nicer than another. Main issue was that on the haft butt I underestimated volume of pewter needed and so had to add after the initial castings hardened. Created all sorts of rifts and holes. It was really too fancy of a design for a first timer. The ring on upper haft was easy and came out decent.

Getting better at etching. I got better "U" etch than on first hawk, because I etched the design twice. Second time tried fingernail polish as the resist and that worked well but was a pain to get off. Had to resort to paint stripper when polish remover didnt touch it, and some polish can still be found in small pits.

Knotwork on haft was drawn, etched with my stylus dremmel, then burned witih soldering iron. Its on both sides.

Did a vinegar patina on head but next time will try for darker cast, and will grind steel more to remove most pits. Cheers, and thanks to all here for tips and examples and enthusiasm.

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That is awsome! Looks great! :thumbup:

I would really love to know more about how you did the etching on the blade. I have always wanted to be able to do that on some of my knives but never knew of a cheap way to accomplish it!
 
That is awsome! Looks great! :thumbup:

I would really love to know more about how you did the etching on the blade. I have always wanted to be able to do that on some of my knives but never knew of a cheap way to accomplish it!


Thanks! For the etching techniques I'm grateful to Mike Forti over at:
http://m4040.com/Knifemaking/M40Bowkri.htm

He broke it down real simple on his site and corresponded re: details.
I'll break it down here so as to include some details he shared with me and some obesrvations I've made.
Basic Materials
1) Get yourself some ferric chloride AKA 'etchant'. I bought mine at Radio Shack. May have to drive to a few stores before you find some.
2) a glass vessel for the etching process.
3) something for the 'resist', which is a substance that covers the area you dont want etched. I've used spray paint and nail polish. Both worked well and were equally a pain to get off.
4) Something to create the design. You can get fancy with sticker backing, vinyl prints, etc., but I didnt find a handy way in that direction. One pro I emailed said he uses a special printer and software to design vinyl etch stencils. I got my designs on paper (a celtic "U" in my case), cut out the design and used that. If youre good at free-hand drawing you can create the design right in the resist.

Procedure
1) Get design on the blade. I took my paper cut-out "U", licked the back, and stuck it on the blade.
2) Apply resist. I spray-painted the axe head. it dries fast so do 3-5 quick coats. Multiple coats is critical. Once all dry I removed the paper U and this resulted in the axe head being all paint except for the U. Give it a day or more to dry hard. Etch time.
2a) Now if your good at free hand drawing, you can skip the stencil/design and begin by spray painting multiple coats or applying nail polish, then once dry, draw in your design. The Etchant WILL show very fine lines,.
3) I heated Etchant in oven to maybe 100f because I read somewhere about activity being greater that way. Submerge place to be etched in the etchant using the glass vessel. Etched area should be facing down in etchant because you want the waste product to fall away from the etch rather than build up as a coat. To help this along, gently agitate the axe head every 5 minute or so. How long to etch? YMMV. I went a couple of hours on my norse hawk. When time is up, rinse the piece. Pour etchant back in bottle, can re-use.
4) Remove paint or nail polish. I had to resort to a hardcore skin burning paint stripper in both cases, and lots of elbow grease. I thought that was odd.
5) If you want your etch to be deeper, you can repeat the process. Look at my norse hawk blade and you can see fine lines along the axe head and a scroll design back by the haft. Thats the result of a single etch. I did two etchings on the U on the norse hawk and you can see the results were far better. I'd have done three but I was ready for this to be done. For second etch, it is easier to carefully paint around initial etch with nail polish. I used the nail polish brush for broad strokes but then a small hobby brush. Once dry I did about an hour long etch. if your design is too complex or you for some other reason want a different strategy, I might go thru steps 3, but dont remove the resist. Instead, wash the piece, inspect the resist to be sure its intact, and re-do the etching. I've read that fully clearing the etch between etch sessions can help remove the particles that build up in etching, allowing for a fresh start and cleaner etch.

Lessons learned and points to ponder:
1: Spend a LOT of time on the etch design. The etchant will show very fine detail, meaning, all goof-ups you make, like misc scratches outside the intended lines, etc. On the other hand, you can draw an insanely detailed etch. Mike F showed me a knife blade etched with a jungle scene that had veins on leaves, etc. Crazy!
2: Think carefully about what, if any, patina you'll be doing. You can see in the two hawk picture I have a very faint etch on the trailhawk, faint in part due to the browning I did. The norse came out better for numerous reasons but a stronger patina may have obscured the etch. After I etched the norse, I patina'ed with a simple cider vinegar soak of a few hours. This dulled the steel nicely but it also super-cleaned the etch inside so the etch didnt stand out as well. Prior to patina the inside of the etch had gained a dark cast, was cool.
3: Next time I do this I will aim for multiple hour-long etches.
4: I'm wondering how to gain and maintain a darker patina within the etch itself, to make it stand out more. My first thoughts are that if you get the etch deep enough, you can then do a brown or blue patina, for example, and then buff off the patina on the upraised portions of the etch.
5: Head over to http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=1&f=794 and search for etching and learn about easy electro-etch (done in MINUTES!) among other things.

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pullrich, that head looks awesome. It all came together extremely well. Nice!

If it is any help to any, I have done an electro etch with candle wax as a resist and a 10amp battery charger as the power supply. It does work pretty well, though I haven't done anything as large as a hawk head... I did a knife and a zippo.

When you use the wax, if you mess up, it is easy to warm the tool and let the wax flow back over, though it is a pain to remove all the wax in the pattern, if you go about it that way. Mine ended up showing every tiny scratch, much like working on a scratchboard.
 
OK to be fair I've given the Trail Hawk a chance and went out in the woods with it and actually used it for days now.

I still feel it's a bit small but I can live with it.

My findings:

- Very light & quick. Very agile.
- What it lacks in mass and cutting surface, it makes up for with velocity and penetration.
- Mounting it on a 22" handle somehow made the head seem larger. I know it's only a matter of perception but it must be noted.
- Carving the haft into the "deer leg" pattern improved the handling ability a good deal. It's now possible to whip it around in fluid motions, almost like using a flail.
- I'm a huge fan of my CS WarHammer, but I must admit, the small hammer poll of the Trail Hawk in itself makes a wicked weapon. It's just the right size to achieve some degree of brute force puncturing yet still be a usable tool.
- It throws and sticks very well.

My current favorite Cold Steel hawk is still the Norse overall, but I think the Trail Hawk would probably be a better fighter. I still wish the bit was about an inch longer with at least an additional 1/2 inch of cutting edge, but I can live with it.

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Frontier tactical knife by Russell Green River.
 
Just a quick and simple pimp on a CS Riflemans hawk, nothing done to the head except to remove the paint with a wire wheel then used Cold Blue paste to blacken it. Handle received a run over with an orbital sander then stained with walnut and then Japan Black stain/satin clear. A bit of para wrap and it's it's finished. Total times except for paint drying 2 hours.

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So I just finished reading this whole thread (great stuff within) and thought I might as well sign up since I've been checking here the last few days. Anyway I recently got ahold of Cold Steel Spike Hawk and took my hand at customizing it to my liking.
I rounded out the edges and took away the peaks on the collar of the head, sharpened the spike and gave it a nice hammered finish with black and outlined it along all the edges. It's not finished as unfortunately I've run short on funds for my project (I'm fixing up a recently acquired Ka-Bar khukuri and my Trail Hawk as well). I plan to add additional wraps and put sinew around the top and bottom of the head. Depending on how it holds up I may take it with me to Iraq if I get shipped there.

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haha ...nice Rancor monster! Did you paint him like that?

The spike hawk looks good too! :thumbup: ...Probably would want to get/make a sheath that covers the spike if you plan on carrying that thing in Iraq, I would think.
 
haha ...nice Rancor monster! Did you paint him like that?
I wish, he came like that already. I also have the one from Jabba's palace. :D

The spike hawk looks good too! :thumbup: ...Probably would want to get/make a sheath that covers the spike if you plan on carrying that thing in Iraq, I would think.
I definitely will be making one, I'm thinking about where exactly I may be keeping it to better plan the design. I'm thinking a drop through and making a quick release snap that doesn't come undone from normal or heavy activity, which will probably require me to learn about making my own kydex sheaths.
 
Great mod to your Spike Hawk! I think a kydex sheath would be the way to go. All of us combat vets wish you the best during your deployment in Iraq. Keep on hawkin'
 
OK that does it. I need one of those Spike Hawks.

I'm not sure what kind of weight you're used to, but I found it to be remarkably easy to wield (in contrast to the factory weight of the Rifleman's Hawk). I'm also quite fond of the factory length haft and have found it to be quite useful with different applications during close-quarter drills, lucky for me my wooden dummy has a good number of coats on it as I've gotten some close calls when I really got into practicing locks. I really need to make that sheath as soon as I can excuse the spending.

For the money, it was a great investment and has been a fun time-killer along with my trailhawk and Ka-Bar.

I've been thinking about using the extra length of the haft to fashion a backup knife, using a button lock to hold it in. That way I can just drop a hand back, hit the button and draw a nice 4" blade out to get in some good old fashioned hawk 'n' knife action. I'll likely not need the utility of close-quarters in the field, but as an interpreter and with my luck, it may prove helpful in getting me away from a bad situation.
...I wonder how a scalp may look hanging from this thing...
 
That's it. I'm on board. My trail hawk came in the mail today, along with an extra handle. I just use some thickened paint remover to take off the black paint. It worked like a charm. I'll post my results soon! :D
 
I'm not sure if anyone has tried this or not, but I thought this might be a good place to ask about results. I'm thinking about getting some Brownells Gun-Kote and re-doing the head, does anyone know if this will hold up to some heavy usage(throwing, breaching, etc.)?
 
I'm not sure if anyone has tried this or not, but I thought this might be a good place to ask about results. I'm thinking about getting some Brownells Gun-Kote and re-doing the head, does anyone know if this will hold up to some heavy usage(throwing, breaching, etc.)?

Looks like interesting stuff. I haven't used it myself, but I would imagine that ANY coating, no matter how durable, will show wear and rub off, if you are using the blade for chopping/ throwing and such.

I just chose the easy to apply gun blue liquid. You can make it as dark as you like, and if it wears off you can just rub a little more back on. :thumbup:

Make sure you post some pics of that gun-kote though, if you do end up using it. :)
 
I use Brownells Alumahyde II. Follow directions and you will get a good result It is an epoxy coating. BryFry is correct ANY coating wears.
 
I use Brownells Alumahyde II. Follow directions and you will get a good result It is an epoxy coating. BryFry is correct ANY coating wears.

I figured that any coat will wear, I'm just hoping to find something where I won't have to refinish after every use as I may not always have time to repaint and let it dry. Anyway, thanks for the tips, I'll probably stock up on some things as soon as more funds come in. I'll post the results and let you know how it works out.
 
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