Most Overrated Folder

savage99 said:
I think opinel knives are super overrated I get that they are cheap and they have a thin blade stock but that's all they have. A flimsy lock, a pivot area that needs modding out of box to handle moisture soft steel etc.
To be clear I own a #8 and use it and to some degree appreciate it but some people will suggest a opinel for everything on theese forum's saying it's the be all end all 😞
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If you're using to carrying overbuilt mall ninja folders every day, an Opinel is clearly not going to serve well as a backup or replacement knife. It's an old friction folder design with a ring lock, period. It also likely costs 1/10th to 1/20th of the monstrosities most people in GKD have strapped to a pocket or belt at this very moment (including myself).

Also: Opinel lock, flimsy? I can promise you that the wood holding the hinge pin will fail before a properly-maintained Virobloc ring does 99 times out of 100 under "heavy use".
 
TsarBomba said:
If you're using to carrying overbuilt mall ninja folders every day, an Opinel is clearly not going to serve well as a backup or replacement knife. It's an old friction folder design with a ring lock, period. It also likely costs 1/10th to 1/20th of the monstrosities most people in GKD have strapped to a pocket or belt at this very moment (including myself).

Also: Opinel lock, flimsy? I can promise you that the wood holding the hinge pin will fail before a properly-maintained Virobloc ring does 99 times out of 100 under "heavy use".
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Oh man do you have me pegged wrong, the most overbuilt folder I typically carry Is a delica. And I bought 3 opinels 2 #8s and a 9 I think, and the lock on all of them would slip out and fail with minor pressure from my thumb on the spine.

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savage99 said:
Oh man do you have me pegged wrong, the most overbuilt folder I typically carry Is a delica. And I bought 3 opinels 2 #8s and a 9 I think, and the lock on all of them would slip out and fail with minor pressure from my thumb on the spine.
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Just making a general statement. I've also noticed that some of the Opinel True Believers like to suggest Opis for everything. I carry traditionals along with my modern so I have different (and more realistic) requirements for my Opis.

I've never been able to get my #6 or #8 to fail at all. I've even had to oil the ring on the #8 because it was a real bear to rotate into the lock position. I'd wager that my #8, when locked, is every bit as rigid as a typical thin paring or chef's knife. Not that I'd ever use it for hard use, or even something that might push the lock more than typical cutting chores.

Perhaps the variances in tolerance are responsible for your loose rings. They are, after all, $10-15 knives. I know folks routinely tighten or loosen them based on their needs, so perhaps a little elbow grease could straighten things out for yours.
 
Benchmade griptilian and mini griptilian. So uncomfortable for me to hold. Weren't very smooth openers at all.


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Opinels are what they are. A better choice for "heavy use" may be a full tang carbon steel paring knife.
 
TsarBomba said:
Just making a general statement. I've also noticed that some of the Opinel True Believers like to suggest Opis for everything. I carry traditionals along with my modern so I have different (and more realistic) requirements for my Opis.

I've never been able to get my #6 or #8 to fail at all. I've even had to oil the ring on the #8 because it was a real bear to rotate into the lock position. I'd wager that my #8, when locked, is every bit as rigid as a typical thin paring or chef's knife. Not that I'd ever use it for hard use, or even something that might push the lock more than typical cutting chores.

Perhaps the variances in tolerance are responsible for your loose rings. They are, after all, $10-15 knives. I know folks routinely tighten or loosen them based on their needs, so perhaps a little elbow grease could straighten things out for yours.
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I wanted to see if the lock would fail if I gave my #8 carbon a nice big spine whack. I've had it for years, used it a ton, experimented on various sharpening stones with it, etc. The spine whack did nothing. The lock didn't fail or even move. Same as yours, although you probably didn't spine whack it. For a ~$10 knife they're incredibly useful and they're plenty solid for anything most people will do on a daily basis. The blade stock is thicker than many of my slipjoints. I think people overestimate how strong a cutting tool needs to be.
 
Fanglekai said:
I wanted to see if the lock would fail if I gave my #8 carbon a nice big spine whack. I've had it for years, used it a ton, experimented on various sharpening stones with it, etc. The spine whack did nothing. The lock didn't fail or even move. Same as yours, although you probably didn't spine whack it. For a ~$10 knife they're incredibly useful and they're plenty solid for anything most people will do on a daily basis. The blade stock is thicker than many of my slipjoints. I think people overestimate how strong a cutting tool needs to be.
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I've actually used my #8 in a technically similar fashion. I used a narrow wood shim and a mallet to slowly but surely knock the Opi through a skinny but particularly stubborn wet tree branch; the big handmade bushcraft fixed-blade I normally use for such duty was off being abused by a friend who had broken away from the group. I was convinced it would be the end of my Opi and I'd be out all that money :p but to this day that little wooden wonder has a true blade, a nice tight pivot and a perfectly solid locking ring.

I wouldn't give one the Lynn Thompson treatment by any stretch but Opinel's locking carbon knives have nothing to prove to me.
 
Cold steel. For edc purposes, they're just too big, overbuilt and not that great. If they used a steel besides Aus 8 (excluding cts xhp model) the paint on the blade wears in a really ugly way. They should use TiNi or dlc and maybe use s30v or Elmax.
 
JDX said:
Cold steel. For edc purposes, they're just too big, overbuilt and not that great. If they used a steel besides Aus 8 (excluding cts xhp model) the paint on the blade wears in a really ugly way. They should use TiNi or dlc and maybe use s30v or Elmax.
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Why specifically cold steel? Lots of companies make large folders. Also Cold Steel makes smaller folders too.
 
"Cold Steel" is too general. I don't like many stuff from Cold Steel but one of my favourite folders is Talwar 4", next is Voyager 4". That knife is very well finished, better than my CQC-7 or Endura. Aus-8 is decent steel in comparison with VG-10 or 154CM in CQC-7, CTS-XHP is even better.
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I'm going to chime in and say Spyderco...especially back in the late 90's.No steel liners,riveted construction,half-span lockback,just a zytel handle.I never liked the Delica and even with it's improvements,it still says cheapo quality construction in the back of my mind.
 
Frotier76 said:
I'm going to chime in and say Spyderco...especially back in the late 90's.No steel liners,riveted construction,half-span lockback,just a zytel handle.I never liked the Delica and even with it's improvements,it still says cheapo quality construction in the back of my mind.
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Really? Isn't that quite a wide brush you're painting with? No steel liners, rivet construction, half span lockback and a zytel handle?

What about this spyderco?

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He was reffering to Spyderco in 90's in XX century. :P But my Terzuola Starmate 440V without full liners which was produced in 1999-2001 imho is better than Starmate in VG-10. Liners aren't necessary in edc knife with lightweight blade without strong tip or if here are solid G-10 scales like in Cold Steels. One guy likes lightweight knives without liners, another guy likes knives in Medford style...

I think that many Spyderco knives are overpriced for what you get. Especially Golden models.
 
"The folders I like are great value. The folders you like that I don't like are overpriced and over-rated...and you're probably deficient in many ways for owning them."

That sums it up for this and all other similar threads. :D
 
High end titanium framelocks, or any really. Not a fan of metal handles. I've owned two of the big three, and the CRK large Sebenza didn't do anything for me. I admired the craftsmanship, it was a gorgeous knife with the bocote inlay, but otherwise it wasn't anything special. I liked my Strider SnG, but again, nothing a less expensive knife won't do. Having owned ZT hinderers, I have no desire for the real thing. I prefer knives that are unique and/or well made, to a point. Medford's are just straight silly IMO. Brous are very overpriced, with the exception of the Bionic, which I like. (Mine'ss beat to hell, chipped paint, but a good knife nonetheless)

I use my knives for all purposes (both folding and fixed) and only own stuff I feel can take it. I prefer G-10, FRN, CF due the extreme weather variances in Northern Illinois, but I have three metal handled knives just because they are too darn good or beat up to sell. I've owned both medium and high end Ti framelocks, and the only ones left are a TSF Beast and a Kizer 423.
 
stabman said:
"The folders I like are great value. The folders you like that I don't like are overpriced and over-rated...and you're probably deficient in many ways for owning them."

That sums it up for this and all other similar threads. :D
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Haha, that's wisdom right there Stabby.
 
I'll go out on a limb and say saks. Every one I've owned was sold or is rotting in the garage or junk bin. I have one in a fishing bag that the can opener sees use though. Different strokes I say.
 
Sosa said:
I'll go out on a limb and say saks. Every one I've owned was sold or is rotting in the garage or junk bin. I have one in a fishing bag that the can opener sees use though. Different strokes I say.
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I've owned several SAKs and never found myself carrying them.
 
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