My first Kizer

Maybe because I have fooled around with knives most of my life, I have discovered several things that the end user can do to take care of some of the problems that knives may have. And I do certain things to most all of my knives upon receipt.

One of the primary things I do is to disassemble the knife, clean all of the factory lube, seems to be a light grease on the Kizer, off of the liner's, washers, and blade. I use Miltec to lube when I reassemble the knife. While apart though I will put a little more bend in the locking liner, linerlocks/framelocks, to get a stiffer locking bar, and to increase the liner pressure on the closed blade. I suspect when people send a knife back to the factory for a weak detent, that this is what is done by the factory. Every one of the knives I have, that are linerlocks or framelocks, has had this done to them. It does not take much extra bend to get the desired results. Been doing this since the first screw together knives came out, and have never run into a problem. And have never had a locking liner to move across the blade tang at an accelerated pace. Remember, just a little will do!:thumbup::)
 
Now if only they did left handed pocket clip options.

I don't even mind knives without pocket clips. .. But only having them on the wrong side just annoys me.

I'll hold out a little longer i think.
 
Just got this one today... very impressed with the fit and finish. Same materials and it cost half the price of my protech.

 
phxgadgets said:
Just got this one today... very impressed with the fit and finish. Same materials and it cost half the price of my protech.

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I've been looking at that model hard. I just love the design. Not sure if I can deal with tip down only though.
 
phxgadgets said:
Yeah thats the only downside, but other than that I really like it.
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I've been carrying mine non-stop since purchasing. I mean, it's also the only main-carry knife I have at the moment, but it says something that when I did a full arsenal restart that it was the ONLY main-carry knife I kept. So pleasant to use, and even moreso because I know I can really use it for whatever and not be upset about the cosmetic damage. I mean, really, by the time this thing is no longer functional, I'll have gotten well more than my money's worth.
 
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Yeah, also caught my eye, but i think I'll wait until they release a similar model without the large ricasso. I like my blade-edge closer to my hand on small knives.... Maybe it'll have tip-up carry then as well. But a very nice design. Others called this one a Bodega imitation?
 
phxgadgets said:
Just got this one today... very impressed with the fit and finish. Same materials and it cost half the price of my protech.

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Congrats. I hope manufacturers are taking notice. Not saying the Kizer is as good as the ProTech TR-3 nor that the TR-3 is as good as the Sebenza Large 21 but you can see where this is all headed -- a win for the knife user/buyer.
 
Hi, Guys:

Re-read the thread and wanted to address a point that was brought up regarding repairs and warranty claims.

For those in the US (we are working on other regions), we do have an US based distribution center in California. If your Kizer knives are in need of a warranty claim due to defects in manufacturing or workmanship, you do not have to worry about international shipping.

Thanks.

David
 
Kizer Cutlery said:
Hi, Guys:

Re-read the thread and wanted to address a point that was brought up regarding repairs and warranty claims.

For those in the US (we are working on other regions), we do have an US based distribution center in California. If your Kizer knives are in need of a warranty claim due to defects in manufacturing or workmanship, you do not have to worry about international shipping.

Thanks.

David
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For warranty / repair do we first send an email to one of the following?

kizer@tbt-gd.com
kizer.williamzeng@gmail.com
kizer.cutlery@gmail.com

I got these from the Contact page of the Kizer website and the first email there is incorrect as far as the domain name is concerned. I corrected it in the above list.
 
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Hi, Ramzar:

Any of these email address will be fine. The first 2 should get a faster reply but all 3 are valid emails.

We are building up the warehouse with the aim of being able to respond to most of the parts and warranty claim without having to resort to international shipping and the delays.

I'll have the address corrected, it is missing the "o" in the ".com".

Thanks.

David.
 
I actually picked up a Kizer a few days ago and played with it some for the last few days. It's Ki4403A in S35VN. I actually cut 9 ft of rope for fun along with some whittling. The factory edge is holding up quite well. It can still push cut magazine paper fairly cleanly. I would say the HT is pretty good. I'll have to do a reprofiling and retest to see.
 
You are comparing that to a Sebenza?:p roflmao

RamZar said:
Congrats. I hope manufacturers are taking notice. Not saying the Kizer is as good as the ProTech TR-3 nor that the TR-3 is as good as the Sebenza Large 21 but you can see where this is all headed -- a win for the knife user/buyer.
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I think he is comparing a Kizer to the Pro Tech and the Pro Tech to the Sebbie. While I don't own a P T, I do own the large Kizer and two Sebbies. Kizer half the price of the Sebbies. Both the K and S have a wonderful build quality to them and I don't say that lightly. I feel guilty when I use my Seb's not so much when I use my Kizer. Kizer may be a tad big for me to carry as an edc where as like I said the Sebbies seem excellent for edc but they are Sebbies and its kind of hard for me justify there use even though I know folks do and I should use them more than I do. I also have to say I was never a fan of flippers. Until the Kizer. 0 wrist action required and uber smooth to flip out and a thunk made when it opens like no other. So there ya go. Some safe queens in the Sebbies and true to life user in the Kizer. keepem sharp
 
My 3-inch Ti Kizer flips better than my Brous Bionic, my ZTs, or my Hinderer XMs.

Opening and closing with thumb studs isn't as smooth as with the XMs, but the Kizer is the clear flipping champ.
 
mmarkh said:
You are comparing that to a Sebenza?:p roflmao
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You might notice that he actually didn't:

"Congrats. I hope manufacturers are taking notice. Not saying the Kizer is as good as the ProTech TR-3 nor that the TR-3 is as good as the Sebenza Large 21 but you can see where this is all headed -- a win for the knife user/buyer."

Mentioning them in the same sentence &#8800; comparison. If anything, he said Kizer < Protech < Sebenza, meaning he, at most, asserts the Sebenza is going to be higher quality than the Protech, and that the Protech is going to be higher quality than the Kizer.
 
I have to ask, if all the nay sayers here own a Kizer. Cause if you don't you all shouldn't criticize the knife until after you have it in hand and then make a valid judgement either for or against it. Speculation is just that speculation and you can not comment on performance, ergo's or build quality or the like until you do. Also if you don't have the Kizer business plan in hand, which I am sure you don't you can not speculate what the intent of the company is at all. I know I own one and so I can comment on the knife I own. Cutter has more than one and has taken his apart etc. so he can probably tell you more than anyone about the knives. Several others as well. It just never ceases to amaze me here how folks criticize a company when they have 0 experience with its products. I have not felt the need to take my knife from Kizer apart as it seems to do exactly what it is supposed to do very well just as is. So there ya go. Speculation is just that speculation which unless you own a Kizer you can't nor shouldn't comment on the knife as a comparison to another knife. keepem sharp
 
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longbow said:
I have to ask, if all the nay sayers here own a Kizer. Cause if you don't you all should criticize the knife until after you have it in hand and then make a valid judgement either for or against it. Speculation is just that speculation and you can not comment on performance, ergo's or build quality or the like until you do. Also if you don't have the Kizer business plan in hand, which I am sure you don't you can not speculate what the intent of the company is at all. I know I own one and so I can comment on the knife I own. Cutter has more than one and has taken his apart etc. so he can probably tell you more than anyone about the knives. Several others as well. It just never ceases to amaze me here how folks criticize a company when they have 0 experience with its products. I have not felt the need to take my knife from Kizer apart as it seems to do exactly what it is supposed to do very well just as is. So there ya go. Speculation is just that speculation which unless you own a Kizer you can't nor shouldn't comment on the knife as a comparison to another knife. keepem sharp
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Because I've yet to encounter a company that ships out knives with polished washers, I almost always completely disassemble the knives I'm sure I'm going to keep and polish the washers and clean off the lube and apply nano-lube. Taking apart the 4412 was not particularly easy, as they had used some variety of adhesive on all screws and also where the standoffs set into the handles. Using a butane torch, I carefully heated the standoffs to melt the glue and was able to take it apart after that.

I saw no cut corners or unfinished surfaces, it went back together easily, and was in perfect functioning order afterwards. Very solidly and precisely made.

I broke down and ordered a 4401B off of Knifeworks a couple hours ago - I really want to try out that flipping action, and the finish looks fantastic.

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SVTFreak said:
That's because a hinderer isn't a flipper. It just HAS a flipper on it *laugh**sic*
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It's a finger guard for safety!

Forrealthough, my XM-18 had the worst/weakest detent of any knife I have ever handled. Hinderer's "we don't fix detents" policy is just ridiculous. OTOH, my Kizer has a fantastic detent which makes me wish it was a flipper. It's quite a claim that by flash900 to say that it's a better flipper than ZT. My Brous Bionic was an okay flipper (no wrist action, but was kinda gritty even after cleaning), but I've had some ZTs with altogether stellar flipping action. One 0561BW was so perfect that you couldn't break the detent without it flipping all the way open, and the action was buttery smooth with no detectable resistance.

I don't expect the Kizer to be anywhere near that, but, if it is, I'll be more than happy.
 
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