My first Kizer

I broke down and ordered a 4401B off of Knifeworks a couple hours ago - I really want to try out that flipping action, and the finish looks fantastic.

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I think that's the Ki401B1 with a 3.5" blade of S35VN? I really like the raw non-anodized finish. Please let us know how grippy and comfortable the handle is in addition to the flipper and anything else.

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I think that's the Ki401B1 with a 3.5" blade of S35VN? I really like the raw non-anodized finish. Please let us know how grippy and comfortable the handle is in addition to the flipper and anything else.

It had everything I was looking for - legal to carry in Denver, flipper, attractive handles, S35VN, a hollow grind, a sturdy tip, and a framelock. I don't know how much I like the stabilizer, but we'll see once I have it in hand.

Jim Skelton did a review of the "tango" that looks exactly like this model, and was likely made by Kizer. He commented very positively about the handle finish / grippiness / ergonomics. His model did not flip particularly well, however. I asked Knifecenter to inspect the knife before sending it to me and to ensure that it is centered/smooth/solid.
 
I think that's the Ki401B1 with a 3.5" blade of S35VN? I really like the raw non-anodized finish. Please let us know how grippy and comfortable the handle is in addition to the flipper and anything else.

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That's the same model i ordered and received but unfortunately the detent was to weak and the action on it was atrocious, so i tried to exchange it for another of the same model
and had the owner check before shipping and he replied that every other one he had in stock was pretty much the same so i ended up getting a refund.... hope you have better luck with that model than i did!
 
So after pretty much non stop flicking my kizer 412A2 for a whole day and a half, its deployment has gotten alot smother and lockup is still early and rock solid.... blade play is non existent. I stabed a piece of wood and the blades point did not dull at all.. so whatever steel they are using I think its pretty well heat treated. I really dont have a reason to believe its not S35VN. So so far so good ill post and update after a month of use. The next kizer im thinking about getting is the GTI model by Justin Gingrich.
 
Both of the active Kizer threads seem to have posters jumping in with one or two post that really seem to denigrate a brand of knife they have had absolutely no experience with. Like Longbow said, how can you make a valid judgement of the knives when you have never even held one!:confused:

There have always been brands of knives that some have not liked from the beginning. There are brands I do not like but I don't jump into a thread about the brand and start talking about how bad, or how CHEAP they are. That is just ignorant and childish, and shows a lack of understanding about knives in general. But the best thing to do is ignore such comments. This is what is recommended by the moderators of this forum to do whenever trolls are spotted, so the same should be done when established members do this. All I have to say on that.

Seems that most owners have really liked the knives they have received, I know I like both of mine. In fact the Gingrich GTi is a new favorite. Sechip, I am really sorry to hear that you had such bad luck with the one you ordered, and you went the extra mile to try and rectify, so good for you. And I would have done the exact same thing you did and get a refund!:thumbup:

I always have to take my knives apart. Just seems like there is something driving me to do so when I see a screw/bolt that can be unscrewed:eek:. One thing I noticed about both Kizer's I have is that when you reassemble them they just snap together because every part is lined up so well, and I have taken apart knives that were a pain to reassemble because you had to fight to get everything lined up perfectly to get it back together.

I like the Klecker design. It is flat and wide, which appeals to me. The blade is of thick stock, with a design that also appeals to me. The Gingrich design is another one that I find very pleasing to my eye and my hand. As I said before, the Al Mar SERE must have been the impetus for this knife. The wide drop point blade, with the deep hollow grind makes for an impressive looking blade. I haven't had a chance to slice anything but newspaper, but it slices the thinnest strips I have had a knife to do in quite a while.

I took the Gingrich apart, and like the Klecker it has a light grease for lubricant. I cleaned it, polished the washers using polishing compound and a polishing wheel on my Dremel tool to the point of being able to see my reflection, and then reassembled it using Miltec as my lubricant. I keep the pivots on my knives fairly tight because this is the way I like them to be. This usually means that a hard push with my thumb, on a thumbstud opener or with my index finger on a flipper opener, will bring the blade out to a point where I can finish the opening arc to lockup with my thumb on the stud, or on the backside of the flipper. On the GTi I have to be careful because the same pressure used on my other folder's will cause it to go all the way to lockup, and you can really hear "SNAP" when it does!

Anyway, just some thoughts on the Kizer threads, and some more thoughts on the two Kizer's I have. The third Kizer I intend to purchase will be my first all ti framelock from them, the Phantom KI5401A2. This is the big boy that Longbow has spoken of. One day I will buy a camera, even an inexpensive one has to take better pics than my phone. But until that comes to pass.......


 
I myself am waiting to hear how comeuppance's next purchase goes and if he seems satisfied i'm going to give it another whirl only this time i will use the same dealer
that most seem to use as that was not the case with my original purchase.
I got mine quite a bit cheaper than every where else that i have seen and i'm wondering if there's any corolation... although i doubt it, but i would love to own another that actually flips as i loved everything else about it and it felt so natural in my hand
So i guess we'll see, looking forward to hearing what he has to say as that's the model i'm most interested in at the moment.
 
I'm in the same boat on the Ki401B1. That thing is just singing to me... Unfortunately It's singing crappy show tunes at the moment, because no matter how awesome the F&F, deployment and feel may be I refuse to buy one until they have the ability to swap sides on that clip! PLEASE Kizer, make these knives lefty friendly! (tip up wouldn't hurt either)
 
...I refuse to buy one until they have the ability to swap sides on that clip!
I'd second this... I really wish to buy the 4403 but tip down is absolutely un-acceptable for me,
I'll wait till they get that option and will buy one of those. I have no interest of fully metal handle, no matter what materials they use and how it looks like.
 
Hey guys, first post here.

I have a kizer 4401 and when I got it, the detent was pretty weak on mine. However, for some of you, it could be a simple fix. I noticed the "detent hole" on the blade had some build-up in it, probably from machining. I took a needle and cleaned out the hole so now the detent-ball fits all the way inside. Flips like a champ now, the detent is 10x stronger than before.

So, if anyone gets a knife with a weak detent, try cleaning the hole out first.

Also...

Those that are comparing kizers to a sebenza, aren't saying kizer>crk. There just saying, for the price you can't do much better. Would a $400 sebenza be 4x better than a $100 kizer? Well, that's up to you!

It's kinda like this. The guy who buys a Ferrari to race vs the guy who buy a honda to fix up and race. When buying a Ferrari you get the name, the heritage, quality, and speed. When fixing up a honda, you get the ease of mind of having a HONDA. You blow the engine, oh well. You blow the engine on a Ferrari, oh S**t! In the long run, they could perform the same on a 0-60. But does that mean Honda>Ferrari because they're cheaper? I'd say no, but that's up to you.
 
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I myself am waiting to hear how comeuppance's next purchase goes and if he seems satisfied i'm going to give it another whirl only this time i will use the same dealer
that most seem to use as that was not the case with my original purchase.
I got mine quite a bit cheaper than every where else that i have seen and i'm wondering if there's any corolation... although i doubt it, but i would love to own another that actually flips as i loved everything else about it and it felt so natural in my hand
So i guess we'll see, looking forward to hearing what he has to say as that's the model i'm most interested in at the moment.

Well you have gone from extra mile to EXTRA mile. I do hope it pays off for ya'!:) If it doesn't, at least you tried.:thumbup:
 
Hi, Guys:

We hear you loud and clear on the tip-up carry (this is my preferred carry method as well), and we are working the 2-way (tip-up, tip-down) clip placement into our 2014 production runs. I can't say exactly when they will hit the market but they will be rolling out this year.

On the subject of left hand carry, this may take a little longer as we may have to go to the drawing board to accommodate left-right clip switch without putting holes into the "presentation" side of the titanium scale. Maybe a bayonet style clip placement where the clip is attached at the butt end of the handle instead of directly on the scale.

Thanks.

Kizer
 
Here's an idea I have yet to see implemented - use the lanyard hole as the attachment point for the clip. These knives have a lanyard hole that goes all the way through both handle scales, so one could mount it so that the screw goes in through the unused hole on the other end this leaving a much cleaner overall design while still leaving a scale with an empty hole to which one could attach a lanyard. This means no extra holes and the ability to switch the clip sides.

Bayonet-style clips require a backspacer design unless the scales themselves are relatively thick. You have to have space for the screw hole to be drilled and not be flimsy.

Filler tabs are another option - small plates that can be set into recessed clip mounting areas. Hinderer and Chris Reeve knives have that option, and I have seen few complaints.
 
Personally, i dislike "flow-through" designs for how much debris they collect, so i support the back-spacer mount. But given how much detail goes into the handle facade on Kizer knives, why not simply design the screw-holes on either face, make them part of the facade in a way that does not detract from the appearance when left vacant? For example, a series of holes runs the length of the GTi pictured above - design it such that these embellishments match the holes for clip-attachment. Yes, they would be bigger, but there would also be fewer. Of for recession around the clip-attachment, place those recessions elsewhere on the handle as well, around every screw if so desired. Make the attachment point part of the design rather than a necessary evil...
 
Here's an idea I have yet to see implemented - use the lanyard hole as the attachment point for the clip. These knives have a lanyard hole that goes all the way through both handle scales, so one could mount it so that the screw goes in through the unused hole on the other end this leaving a much cleaner overall design while still leaving a scale with an empty hole to which one could attach a lanyard. This means no extra holes and the ability to switch the clip sides.

Bayonet-style clips require a backspacer design unless the scales themselves are relatively thick. You have to have space for the screw hole to be drilled and not be flimsy.

Filler tabs are another option - small plates that can be set into recessed clip mounting areas. Hinderer and Chris Reeve knives have that option, and I have seen few complaints.

Some of the Al Mar models use a lanyard hole clip. I've never figured out why more companies don't go that route.
 
Just received an email and a Kizer Ki5401A2 is being held for me until I get ready to purchase it later this month. This one is going to run just over $200 but I think I will be pleased with it. I am pretty sure this is the model Longbow has. It is the biggest one Kiser makes, I think, as it has a 4.7" long X .177" thick blade, and weighs 8.4 ounces, so big, and I love big!!
 
a possibility for the bayonet would be flattening the ends on one side of the bottom spacer and having a "D" shaped hole on the clip. That way when the screw is tight you get no movement.
 
UPDATE
soo a couple days ago I was getting into the car and I guess the pocket clip snagged the seat or something but the pocket clip snapped clean off :(.. other than that still solid lock up and still really sharp.

 
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