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"net to me" - wtf!!
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The quotes below that line were the shaky claims that you back up with your personal experience with TYD sellers, and with pure speculation not well rooted in logic. In the meanwhile, you dismiss other people's experiences with "net to me" sellers, some of which are the opposite of the ones you have had, by simply saying "Then don't buy from those people".
Oh man, yet another wonderful thread that makes me want to cut off my internet, move to the mountains and never interact with human beings again...
1. Here's why I say "net to me": If I'm selling a knife at $100 the paypal fee would be $103.35, I am 90% sure that if I posted a knife for $103.35 I would get a bunch of yahoos asking me to sell it for an even $100, because I dunno they don't like decimals points or something.
2. I only use paypal because it is easy, relatively secure and best of all very quick. Also I heard a lot about people scamming with money orders, so if someone offers me a MO I assume its a scam and immediately cease communication. As far as checks well sorry man its 2015, I'm not going to wait for you to mail me a check and the check to clear, because you're living in the wrong century, sorry.
3. Negotiating aka haggling is the most annoying thing a person can do. I hate the fact that if I want to sell my car I have to tack on $2000 to the price so I can have some wiggle room for those tools that have to feel like they "got something out of the deal" or got over on me. As a matter of fact from now on if someone offers me a low ball of say $50 under what I asked, the price for them will be $50 more than I originally listed it at. If you don't mind me losing money I don't mind if you do. I always list my stuff at fair prices, or at the very least the price I am willing to sell it for.
4. Shipping, okay this a tougher one, I personally always take a loss on shipping, I expect to it's the cost of doing business. If its in the states I will take the ~$9-$13 loss, outside of the US the buyer has to kick in a little extra if they want me to go through the hassle of filling out a customs form and all that stuff. I do always ship USPS priority with full insurance, I don't want to get screwed if USPS loses the package.
Sorry for coming off so pissed off, I'm really not its just frustrating, reminds me a lot of working as a sales guy at one job I had, worst crap ever tbh.
The thing that gets me on here if you guys think about this stuff as if you were buying from a store, you are not. I would venture to guess most of the people selling their old knives are just trying to get a few bucks because they're a little low on rent, that's the only reason I ever do it. There's an inherent informality to all this.
Anyway one funny thing is most of you who hate all these things would avoid my sales threads anyway, which is actually pretty cool because I would hate to do business with many of the people who have posted in this thread. So in the end it all works out
tldr: I should probably just stay off the trade forum
1. Here's why I say "net to me": If I'm selling a knife at $100 the paypal fee would be $103.35, I am 90% sure that if I posted a knife for $103.35 I would get a bunch of yahoos asking me to sell it for an even $100, because I dunno they don't like decimals points or something.
2. I only use paypal because it is easy, relatively secure and best of all very quick. Also I heard a lot about people scamming with money orders, so if someone offers me a MO I assume its a scam and immediately cease communication. As far as checks well sorry man its 2015, I'm not going to wait for you to mail me a check and the check to clear, because you're living in the wrong century, sorry.
3. Negotiating aka haggling is the most annoying thing a person can do. I hate the fact that if I want to sell my car I have to tack on $2000 to the price so I can have some wiggle room for those tools that have to feel like they "got something out of the deal" or got over on me. As a matter of fact from now on if someone offers me a low ball of say $50 under what I asked, the price for them will be $50 more than I originally listed it at. If you don't mind me losing money I don't mind if you do. I always list my stuff at fair prices, or at the very least the price I am willing to sell it for.
4. Shipping, okay this a tougher one, I personally always take a loss on shipping, I expect to it's the cost of doing business. If its in the states I will take the ~$9-$13 loss, outside of the US the buyer has to kick in a little extra if they want me to go through the hassle of filling out a customs form and all that stuff. I do always ship USPS priority with full insurance, I don't want to get screwed if USPS loses the package.
Sorry for coming off so pissed off, I'm really not its just frustrating, reminds me a lot of working as a sales guy at one job I had, worst crap ever tbh.
The thing that gets me on here if you guys think about this stuff as if you were buying from a store, you are not. I would venture to guess most of the people selling their old knives are just trying to get a few bucks because they're a little low on rent, that's the only reason I ever do it. There's an inherent informality to all this.
Anyway one funny thing is most of you who hate all these things would avoid my sales threads anyway, which is actually pretty cool because I would hate to do business with many of the people who have posted in this thread. So in the end it all works out
tldr: I should probably just stay off the trade forum
Even though it looks like you pretty much covered it through out this thread, I'd be more comfortable if there was a standard definition of "Net to me". To me, that term means that my price will always be somewhat higher (if I don't negotiate a lower "net to me" price). In my mind, "net to me" implies that I'm paying insurance, and either sending a money order or PayPal funds, and in the case of unscrupulous sellers, being asked to use the PayPal gift option which I won't do.
If I really new that net to me mean't; insurance was included in the stated cost (just common sense to me), PayPal Goods or Money Order where the payment terms we're discussing, the "net to me" price was negotiable, and I didn't lose my place in line during negotiations, I'd be OK with the term. But given all of the different types of people, view points, cultures, backgrounds, and, I hate to say it, varying levels of ethics and consideration for fellow members here, I'm somewhat hard pressed to believe a "standard" definition would be adhered to by everyone.
I think that where a lot of this animosity comes in is when someone sees a knife for sale that they want but thinks the price is too high, and this being the Internet, often assumes the person doing the selling is being greedy. I guess the best we can hope for is that we all try to be ethical and considerate in our approach to each other. Buyers may have to face the fact that they may not get the price they want and cannot afford a knife, and sellers may get some, hopefully respectful, offers lower than asked for. Hopefully we can all be good with that (though I know from personal experience, that that is not always the case). Mike
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I'm in a very different position than you are, hazy. I'm fortunate that I don't need the funds from a knife I sell right away. As a result, I'm able to accept a lot more payment methods than other sellers might. PayPal, Money Orders, Personal Checks . . . they're all the same to me. The only difference is how much time needs to elapse from the point that I receive payment until the time I ship the knife. Obviously I realize that not everyone is in the same position I am. But as I consider the ability to negotiate more advantageous to the buyer than to me, I offer it whenever I can.
A deal can't be "best" that tries to pass on the buck to the buyer - all fees are sellers' responsibility since the choice of payment is, more often than not, dictated by the seller, and not the buyer.
Oh man, yet another wonderful thread that makes me want to cut off my internet, move to the mountains and never interact with human beings again...
1. Here's why I say "net to me": If I'm selling a knife at $100 the paypal fee would be $103.35, I am 90% sure that if I posted a knife for $103.35 I would get a bunch of yahoos asking me to sell it for an even $100, because I dunno they don't like decimals points or something.
2. I only use paypal because it is easy, relatively secure and best of all very quick. Also I heard a lot about people scamming with money orders, so if someone offers me a MO I assume its a scam and immediately cease communication. As far as checks well sorry man its 2015, I'm not going to wait for you to mail me a check and the check to clear, because you're living in the wrong century, sorry.
3. Negotiating aka haggling is the most annoying thing a person can do. I hate the fact that if I want to sell my car I have to tack on $2000 to the price so I can have some wiggle room for those tools that have to feel like they "got something out of the deal" or got over on me. As a matter of fact from now on if someone offers me a low ball of say $50 under what I asked, the price for them will be $50 more than I originally listed it at. If you don't mind me losing money I don't mind if you do. I always list my stuff at fair prices, or at the very least the price I am willing to sell it for.
4. Shipping, okay this a tougher one, I personally always take a loss on shipping, I expect to it's the cost of doing business. If its in the states I will take the ~$9-$13 loss, outside of the US the buyer has to kick in a little extra if they want me to go through the hassle of filling out a customs form and all that stuff. I do always ship USPS priority with full insurance, I don't want to get screwed if USPS loses the package.
Sorry for coming off so pissed off, I'm really not its just frustrating, reminds me a lot of working as a sales guy at one job I had, worst crap ever tbh.
The thing that gets me on here if you guys think about this stuff as if you were buying from a store, you are not. I would venture to guess most of the people selling their old knives are just trying to get a few bucks because they're a little low on rent, that's the only reason I ever do it. There's an inherent informality to all this.
Anyway one funny thing is most of you who hate all these things would avoid my sales threads anyway, which is actually pretty cool because I would hate to do business with many of the people who have posted in this thread. So in the end it all works out
tldr: I should probably just stay off the trade forum
Its funny when someone doesn't consider paypal fees as "cost of doing business". Reminds me of those small brick and mortar shops, who accept CC payment, but then add that trivial CC fees to the final cost.
Thanks for your thoughtful comments, Mike. A lot of folks don't understand that insurance isn't the buyer's obligation. The seller is responsible for the item until the buyer receives it. If the seller buys insurance to protect it, he's not protecting the buyer. He's protecting himself. That cost shouldn't be passed on to the buyer. But I'd be willing to bet dimes to donuts that folks who sell TYD pass that cost (as well as PayPal fees and shipping costs) along to their buyers in their selling prices.
I also agree that we're not going to achieve a standard definition of what Net to Me means. But hopefully we can get closer to understanding the true costs involved in a transaction if we have the ability to negotiate those costs. And that's why I, for one, favor Net to Me transactions.
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Its funny when someone doesn't consider paypal fees as "cost of doing business". Reminds me of those small brick and mortar shops, who accept CC payment, but then add that trivial CC fees to the final cost.
In fairness because of this thread I am going to avoid the net to me thing next time I sell a knife and just try including the shipping and paypal fee into my list price and see how it goes.
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I agree that insurance is the seller's responsibility. That is why I say it is included in the price and not as an additional cost to the buyer.
If your hang up with TYD is that PP fees and shipping and insurance cost are in the price, why even have a Net to me? If you're against having the buyer pay that, just have a set price and then deal with everything else on your own.
Implying that people who use a TYD price are untrustworthy and are hiding costs in their price is pretty stupid. I do quite a bit of buying and selling on here since there aren't any local knife stores. I know that I dont know make money on anything on here and I eat the fees and insured shipping with tracking because I am not trying to make a buck on anyone here. I generally try to pass on the deals I get here and its worth losing a few bucks to me to check out knives I wouldn't have a chance to. To me, TYD pricing is just easier for everyone.
This whole debate is pretty pointless since paypal is getting their money either way so you might as well just add in the fees as a seller and mention that you take money orders, checks or other forms of payment. To me, a seller wanting to use paypal and suggesting "net to me" looks like they are encouraging people to use the gift option which looks shady.
This whole debate is pretty pointless since paypal is getting their money either way so you might as well just add in the fees as a seller and mention that you take money orders, checks or other forms of payment. To me, a seller wanting to use paypal and suggesting "net to me" looks like they are encouraging people to use the gift option which looks shady.
I believe we actually have that option. It's called TYD. And the reason I don't set a price and deal with everything else on my own is that I may make choices for the buyer and charge the buyer commensurately that the buyer wouldn't make for himself. I'm all about options. I like giving them and I like receiving them. Most importantly, I've never had a buyer complain that I gave him too many choices. Somehow or the other, my buyers have always managed to come up with just the right solutions for themselves.
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OMG
Go read a freaking book already
Here is the bottom line..
If one does not like NET TO Me..
You move along and buy another knife-item..
No one forces anyone in here to pay what the seller wants and or
how they may want.
Merely a side too my time here.:thumbup:
Go read a freaking book already
Here is the bottom line..
If one does not like NET TO Me..
You move along and buy another knife-item..
No one forces anyone in here to pay what the seller wants and or
how they may want.
Merely a side too my time here.:thumbup:
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Fair enough.
So the only costs that should be placed upon the buyer are the options they choose. - That's what I took from this post, if my assumption is wrong please correct me.
If they opt to leave out insurance, would you deduct that from the total cost?
Insurance is not a charge I'd levy on the buyer or offer up in the negotiations. Whether or not I insure the item isn't the buyer's concern. Generally speaking, however, I self-insure below $100 and insure above that amount. Also, keep in mind that if I insure an item and collect on the insurance, I can use the proceeds any way I want to.