New Dual Survival Personality is no Longer a secret

I too have been disappointed as well with the stylized commercialism and "reality" I respect that Joe has skills but so do many of us here so it is difficult to be entertained by the Hollywood side of the show. That said I liked having Dave better and think that he had more charisma and a synergistic way with Cody. Maybe joe and Cody can get this all worked out before its too late.

Did I say I missed Dave?
 
The show has gone from a show I recorded and watched enthusiastically to a show that I forget which day of the week it is on. It is barely on my radar. I have been a huge fan of these survival shows from the start with Les Stroud being my favorite and Dual Survivor a close second.

I have, however, grown bored of watching the same show over and over in a different part of the world. I understand that shelter, fire, water, and rescue are the priorities of survival, but these shows seem to be on REPEAT!

No new skills.

It is the same crap over and over.... And over. Very staged. Always finding a pack with fire making supplies, blades, containers, etc. Granted, most that go in the woods will have at some if not all of the supplies. I want to learn true survival techniques, not killing a hog that I am sure a guide trapped, surviving out of a back pack full of supplies (and in the case of Bear Grylles surviving in the woods near a highway or hotel, which was commonplace during his taping).
 
bush-haus said:
The show has gone from a show I recorded and watched enthusiastically to a show that I forget which day of the week it is on. It is barely on my radar. I have been a huge fan of these survival shows from the start with Les Stroud being my favorite and Dual Survivor a close second.

I have, however, grown bored of watching the same show over and over in a different part of the world. I understand that shelter, fire, water, and rescue are the priorities of survival, but these shows seem to be on REPEAT!

No new skills.

It is the same crap over and over.... And over. Very staged. Always finding a pack with fire making supplies, blades, containers, etc. Granted, most that go in the woods will have at some if not all of the supplies. I want to learn true survival techniques, not killing a hog that I am sure a guide trapped, surviving out of a back pack full of supplies (and in the case of Bear Grylles surviving in the woods near a highway or hotel, which was commonplace during his taping).
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I think you hit the nail on the head. The show used to have scenerios where they would try to show off different survival skills and techniques, so you would have some entertainment and maybe learn something new at the same time. This season all they show is Cody and Joe walking in random places or climbing up/down ropes. Combine this with unrealistic aspects of the show (ie. they are not actually surviving) and the show loses all merit. It makes me sad.
 
Watched the newist show last evening. It took place in Hawaii. The dangers were dehydration, the terrain, and the population of wild boars and I would assume feral pigs. I found Joe getting into the water and Cody "correcting him" humorous since he had a empty bic lighter in his pack that would be water logged.

They demonstrated the bamboo saw to start a fire. It was probably the best TV film of the reality of such things that I have seen. Hard work!

I knew when they found the "chicken wire" that there was something planned coming up. Joe made a snare from the wire which they sort of glazed over his methodology, a diversion fence for the pigs, and the macho kill of the pig. Finding that broken boar spear was an amazing piece of "luck". ;) Joe playing the macho role had to assert that rigging that spear up was the most important survival task. Cody acting the intellectual said water was their most immediate task.

If they had a long piece of paracord or rope, they probably would have decended down that cliff. Glad they found an alternative.

I liked Joe's demonstration of making a wire "saw". That was good.

So, all in all, even though it was planned out and certainly for TV entertainment, I enjoyed the third show episode.
 
bush-haus said:
No new skills.
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There are only so many ways to skin a cat. Cody could have charred natural material rather than cotton cloth. Not sure if I ever seen someone on these shows use an empty lighter to ignite charcloth? Maybe that was newish for TV?
 
Haven't we established that "luckily finding" that spear etc etc are all part of the scenarios that they are supposed to survive? I.e. a boar hunter that broke his spear and is stranded. Isn't it a given that the said hypothetical stranded boar hunter would still have his broken spear? If the case was that they were just randomly dropped off in places and happened to find a cold steel spear, that'd be a bit less believable... but that isn't the case, right? I don't get what all the gripe is about, were you complaining back when Dave found that flintlock rifle when they were playing the roles of flintlock hunters that lost their way (or whatever...)?

I agree that it would be smarter to give them the items up front instead of having them randomly stumble upon them in the jungle when they are part of the scenario regardless. As it's not like said boar hunter would scatter all his shit around the jungle and then proceed to go looking for it. Or at least I hope not.
 
Its educating entertainment, most of it is staged, they argue alot, but disagreements in a survival situation are a real possibility.
 
pialia said:
Haven't we established that "luckily finding" that spear etc etc are all part of the scenarios that they are supposed to survive? I.e. a boar hunter that broke his spear and is stranded. Isn't it a given that the said hypothetical stranded boar hunter would still have his broken spear? If the case was that they were just randomly dropped off in places and happened to find a cold steel spear, that'd be a bit less believable... but that isn't the case, right? I don't get what all the gripe is about, were you complaining back when Dave found that flintlock rifle when they were playing the roles of flintlock hunters that lost their way (or whatever...)?

I agree that it would be smarter to give them the items up front instead of having them randomly stumble upon them in the jungle when they are part of the scenario regardless. As it's not like said boar hunter would scatter all his shit around the jungle and then proceed to go looking for it. Or at least I hope not.
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My issue is that the programs don't show how to do most of the "survival" tasks in much detail. I would rather watch a show, albeit it would be less entertaining to the masses, about how to do some of the camp chores in detail. Allow these professionals to actually teach.

An example would a dedicated show about a scenario (still keeping with a familiar format) in a tundra terrain and how to build a fire and build a shelter. Two, maybe three skills In a hour and show more detail. As of now the time it takes to set up the scenario, find the hidden "treasures", find water, build a shelter, navigate, and find rescue...... And now make time for the arguements..... Very little time is spent teaching the skills. It's like watching the same show over and over, as I stated before. There are many different ways each camp chore can be done and the programs are being filled with such crap that the "bushcraft" has taken a backseat.
 
pialia said:
Haven't we established that "luckily finding" that spear etc etc are all part of the scenarios that they are supposed to survive? I.e. a boar hunter that broke his spear and is stranded. Isn't it a given that the said hypothetical stranded boar hunter would still have his broken spear? If the case was that they were just randomly dropped off in places and happened to find a cold steel spear, that'd be a bit less believable... but that isn't the case, right? I don't get what all the gripe is about, were you complaining back when Dave found that flintlock rifle when they were playing the roles of flintlock hunters that lost their way (or whatever...)?

I agree that it would be smarter to give them the items up front instead of having them randomly stumble upon them in the jungle when they are part of the scenario regardless. As it's not like said boar hunter would scatter all his shit around the jungle and then proceed to go looking for it. Or at least I hope not.
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I don't mind the use of scenarios on the show, I just wish they would be more realistic. I can count on zero hands how many times I have ran into a spear followed by 50 feet of chicken wire while walking in the woods. I feel that this content is unnecessary to the show, it doesn't teach you anything when they tug Teti out of a mine for 10 minutes, or skin a rotting cow for 10 minutes, or walk across Chile for 45 minutes doing nothing, etc. Whenever they do use skills to accomplish something, they don't go into much detail about them either, they just say "now I'm going to make a strong cord using method x" and then there's suddenly a finished product.
 
I personally do not like the replacement they chose for Dave. I much prefered the original two years of production and would like for them to bring Dave back. Joe seems to try and imulate Bear Grylis' style too much (overly dramatic and fake).

I also agree with the above posts that they should actually go into a lot of detail to the actual "skills" part of the survival tasks.
 
I personally do not like the replacement they chose for Dave. I much prefered the original two years of production and would like for them to bring Dave back. Joe seems to try and imulate Bear Grylis' style too much (overly dramatic and fake).

I also agree with the above posts that they should actually go into a lot of detail to the actual "skills" part of the survival tasks.
 
Last night's episode was the best so far this season - huge improvement. I actually liked it and watched all of it. Did Discovery listen to "us"?
 
Sufler said:
Last night's episode was the best so far this season - huge improvement. I actually liked it and watched all of it. Did Discovery listen to "us"?
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Of course :rolleyes: ... why else do you think Bear got canned ?
 
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I personally would have liked to see two different survival/ bushcraft instructors each season. The same guys are boring.
 
We don't really know why Bear got canned. I suspect it had to do with money and not his performances on the show. He was actually quite entertaining. He did stupid dangerous stuff, but that was to make the show interesting. I would like to see Bear back personally.

I was not overly impressed with the most recent show in the Amazon jungle. It seemed to be mostly a repeat of old stuff. But then, how many ways are there to build a raft and they did spend time demonstrating the cordage and chopping of bamboo and so forth. Dave would have rode the raft through those rapids.

Thought the show pretty ho hum, but I still watched it.... there you go! It is very easy now to survey viewer choices simply by dealing with the cable providers and doing snap shots on how many TV's are tuned into the show at a given time.

Love the Gold Rush show. Can't stop watching that thing.
 
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