Newt Livesay comes through

Brownshoe- Being a good knifemaker doesn't make you a good webmaster. You might consider cutting the kid a little slack.Website design info just doesn't fall out of the sky.:rolleyes:
 
Newt's a slick operator who scammed more than a few people over the years. The website sells his product and has a similar design. Anyone who is going to associate their business with Newt should expect people to be cautious. If they have the web design skills to put up a PO box, they can put up a street address and a phone number.
 
Well he worked with Newt and learned from him, regardless of Livesay's dealings with people he did make solid knives. From the above it looks like someone is trying to fill orders, if they are just taking them and making knives this isn't anything to be impressed with, however if they are actually filling orders that people have payed for and going out of pocket then that is far and beyond the call of duty.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
... however if they are actually filling orders that people have payed for and going out of pocket then that is far and beyond the call of duty.
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From what I understand, that is exactly what Darrel is doing.
 
That was what it seems like to me from the invoice request, you can't say enough positive about that.

-Cliff
 
Thanks to Darrell and Joda Parent, I just received my knives. In spite of the abuse they must be taking in trying to get knives to (understandably) disgruntled people who ordered them (and didn't get them), they were both polite and communicative. They were up front and honest about what they could and could not do. I couldn't expect more from them.
 
brownshoe said:
Newt's a slick operator who scammed more than a few people over the years. The website sells his product and has a similar design. Anyone who is going to associate their business with Newt should expect people to be cautious. If they have the web design skills to put up a PO box, they can put up a street address and a phone number.
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Did you actually read the whole thread, or do you just think that kacy and fudo are liars? It just chafes my a$$ that this guy is trying to do a nice thing and gets treated like an ex-con. No good deed goes unpunished.
 
TorzJohnson said:
Did you actually read the whole thread, or do you just think that kacy and fudo are liars? It just chafes my a$$ that this guy is trying to do a nice thing and gets treated like an ex-con. No good deed goes unpunished.
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Torz, hopefully Darrel will understand that there are always going to be some that feel the Brownshoe does, but that the majority will understand that what he is doing is a outstanding thing. I for one judge someone on their own merits, not on who they are related to, or know.
 
All I know is that Darrell and Joda Parent are doing the most sqared away thing I have heard of in a long time by helping all those juked customers. I, for one, plan to purchase a knife from Darrell in the future to show them my gratitude for his generosity. Darrell....OUTSTANDING :thumbup:

bob7
 
bob7 said:
All I know is that Darrell and Joda Parent are doing the most sqared away thing I have heard of in a long time by helping all those juked customers. I, for one, plan to purchase a knife from Darrell in the future to show them my gratitude for his generosity. Darrell....OUTSTANDING :thumbup:

bob7
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In my opinion, this is the attitude that will be held by most that read this thread.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Torz, hopefully Darrel will understand that there are always going to be some that feel the Brownshoe does...
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I would assume any sensible person would feel that way, all he noted was that he would like to see solid contact information and to be cautious. If you actually know the guy personally you can make one judgement, if you are independent from the outside is another.

If someone came back offering to fill Allan Blade's outstanding orders, then started selling knives very similar to Blades would you not check into it a little before proceeding on blind faith. Well maybe you would, however it doesn't hurt to check a little.

-Cliff
 
Cliff, I would be no more cautious in dealing with darrel than I am in dealing with anyone else. The fact that he learned to make knives from Newt and is related to him would make no difference to me.

By the way, Darrel does have his address on his website, just no phone number that I could find. The address is on his warranty page.
 
I don’t know what to say? To be honest I should really say nothing …but on these forums I feel so many emotions when I read the things that people say. I apologize gentlemen in advance but a woman is about to post :yawn:

I am so very sorry for the way my father has made people feel. I’m sorry to just so many. I had no idea things we’re so bad. I worked for my dad 6-7 years ago – just not a good idea for families to be so close :eek: I was so reluctant when my husband wanted to go into the knife making business. Even the best of knife makers with spotless reputations, take abuse, but I believe the smart ones just don’t get caught up in everyone’s opinions. I believe we know what they say about that :cool: it’s one of the main reasons I answer all my coaches emails.

The purpose of this thread is this; my husband and I are no saints, but thank you to those who have posted in our behalf. As I have said so many times to so many people I have talked to….he’s still my dad. I don’t like what’s happened…at all… but he’s still my dad. I love him – the good, the bad, and the ugly. The reason I got involved is because I don’t want people to think my dad is a thief. See I agree with everyone’s opinion on this board: he does make one heck of a knife, BUT his business skills, people skills, and the ability to say when something ACTUALLY SHIPS well….for lack of a better word…sucks!!

Some of you I feel I know personally and have never met…we spoke for years over the phone. So….when I saw many of your names … it hurt me. My dad had so many loyal customers that I truly felt we’re friends. When I posted to Chad – and so many took it as I was being hateful to him. I didn’t mean for it too – we we’re dealing with my dad, his personal issues, his business issues and I just wanted everything to stop for a minute and Chad, honey, we’re almost there :D !! To date we have got some people just exactly what they ordered. And some have taken other product of equal value in exchange for what he owed them. Some have been reimbursed through Pay-Pal and some are still waiting.

I’m not looking for anyone to understand – or sympathy! If someone owed me product or money I’d be the first one on the band wagon to let everyone I passed know what a sorry person or company he or it is!

As for the website, come on guys, it’s my first one. I used a template even because I’m not pc savvy in that way. AND the reason I didn’t put our home address or phone number is because I have children, and it makes me nervous. I added my husband’s cell phone number, though. There are a few that know how to truly get a hold of us if there was ever a true need. Fudo is one – he is a truly good person :)

There’s this whole part of me that feels like I owe no one an explanation and should not have gotten involved, then there’s another part of me that wishes I could give everyone a hug to say I’m sorry. So…. I’m sorry! Everyone that has an outstanding order is a custom. Nothing standard - that I know of...

Thanks for listening to me ramble and those are Darrell’s true creations. My dad's stuff is my dad's stuff. Darrell is getting better with every knife – I’m proud of him. He knew he’d take some heat being Newt’s son-in-law.

Happy Holidays!

Joda Parent
Faithfulmom2001@yahoo.com
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Cliff, I would be no more cautious in dealing with darrel than I am in dealing with anyone else. The fact that he learned to make knives from Newt and is related to him would make no difference to me.
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Keith, it isn't evn unreasonable to assume that could simply be Newt under another screen name. You are convinced it isn't and so are others, some of whom have spoken to the individuals directly. However if you have not, it is hardly the case that jumping in on blind faith is the only direction for a reasonable person.

I ask you again if someone came out and did the same thing for Allan Blade, and claimed similar and sold the same style of knives and you had not heard of him would you just believe him without ever questioning it at all. Maybe you would, however it is hardly unreasonable to be cautious.

As noted, personally based on the above it seems to be to be a genuine case of first class and beyond behavior. However this a a decision people have to make for themseves and I certainly would not be surprised if people were more cautious in such a situation than just with a new maker who introduced himself on Bladeforums and started selling knives.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
I ask you again if someone came out and did the same thing for Allan Blade, and claimed similar and sold the same style of knives and you had not heard of him would you just believe him without ever questioning it at all. Maybe you would, however it is hardly unreasonable to be cautious.
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Cliff, when I worked for the Postal Service, we had a management principle that I found simplified many decisions: Focus on performance.

Never mind the employee's history or personal chemistry with his supervisor or ... or anything else except, does he get the job done?

If a new knifemaker shows up and plays games with multiple user IDs, doesn't give out information on his location or his shop equipment or his qualifications, I would be more than cautious.

But if a new knifemaker show up and delivers the goods, gets those pats on the back from satisfied customers, and does more than he promised, I would get over my caution pretty quickly.

I just don't see the Parents as scamming anyone. They are clearing up a problem they're not really responsible for. At least some of Newt's lost customers are taken care of. If people want to remember what looks a lot like capability and integrity, and buy the knives Darrell makes on his own, for his own business, that's great.

I think it's an ideal way to address a customer's natural caution with a new knifemaker.

In any case, for the customers who had no hope of recovering money or product, this has got to have been good news. If only Allan Blade could have worked his own way clear as well.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Never mind the employee's history ....

But if a new knifemaker show up and delivers the goods, gets those pats on the back from satisfied customers, and does more than he promised, I would get over my caution pretty quickly.
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That worked well for those who did it for Blade and precisely didn't look into his history and just focused on what is recent and which has now left people suffering from the same excuses which people saw a few years back. He was solid for awhile then people starting sending money up front, then it went south.

If you are a con artist this is exactly the attitude you hope people will have, no research. You simply move from one place to the next and make a few solid deals to get a decent feedback base to allow a lot of deals then rip them off widescale. Then when your rep goes bad you just move, change names, and do it all over again.

Here he is doing a good thing (MS not Blade), but to claim wonderment when people would be cautious is unwarrented. If MS is doing as noted in the above then in a few months when all orders he can handle have been backfilled then the reputation he recieves will be strongly positive especially once more people deal with them directly and it becomes widespread known it isn't Newt.

-Cliff
 
OK, I agree with that. There is a difference, though, in that too many people expressed confidence in Allan even though he hadn't cleaned up his backlog.
 
Yes, plus he has recieved press in the mags plus posts concerning his past behavior were not exactly encouraged on the UK forum, concealing knowledge never helps. Everyone wants people to turn around, but trust tends to have to be earned, especially when coming from such a situation.

With the above action, and assuming the knives are solid in performance like Newt's were, in a very short period of time I doubt anyone will have any questions about MS knives especially those who had their problems with Newt directly resolved.

-Cliff
 
Well, there does for me at least seem to be enough verification to think that it is NOT Newt posting under another name.

What I do see is a daughter and her husband who have been caught in the middle of a bad situation. No matter what Newts behavior has been, it still has to be so hard on his daughter to see what has been said about Newt, even though its true, he has been dishonest, it is still her dad.

They are under no obligation at all to take care of Newts bad debt but in the interest of helping her dad and customers they are doing something way above and beyond the call and for that should be commended.

Heres to hoping that MS knives thrives and is around in good standing for a long time to come.
 
Ok folks. I know Darrell Parent personally. I work with him and do business with him on a regular basis. After all this speculation about his true identity I think it's high time to bring out the truth. Here are a couple of pictures of Darrell. One as he looks now and one as he appeared in his younger days.













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That's right. "Darrell Parent" is Elvis.

Scrimmer
 
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