No alternative to parks 50?

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RyanW said:
Another great thread headed down the crapper! BMK why don't you do your own testing and let us know the DATA instead of talking down to peoples real life experience with quenchants! There is an art to making knives that you have yet to grasp.
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I think he's made it perfectly clear in another thread that he likes to eliminate as much "brain work" as possible...

;)
 
Tai Goo said:
I actually feel kind of sorry for the “idealistic absolutists“, because their goals are unattainable and they will never be happy. The only place their goals and ideals will ever exist is in their minds. It’s a self defeating philosophy,... but if that’s what they want, they can have it.

The really sad part is that, this type of misery,… loves company.
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I'm perfectly happy with the results I'm getting from P#50. ;)

That being said, I was also satisfied with the results I was getting from vegatable oil, and I have every bit of confidence I can get good results from canola oil as well.

I just feel like there's less variables involved in getting consistent results with P#50. (With 1095 anyhow)
 
syvmn said:
Alright... So I've been thinking.... I stared this cluster f@$& of a thread so I feel obliged to contribute. Since I started making knives i've used canola. Moving on to more complicated steels I will get some parks #50 in. I'm going to heat treat in BOTH oils and send them out to be (blindly) tested for hardness. This might take a month or two since I'm still working on building my shop, but if no one comes up with any hard facts I WILL.

By all means keep arguing. I've learned a lot from this. ; o )
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There has been LOTS of hard facts....Read the posts listed on hypefreeblades.......There is TONS of hard facts. There is a lot more than "Mystique" to proper quench oils. Some people apparently are just scared of the facts...
 
Mike Davis said:
There has been LOTS of hard facts....Read the posts listed on hypefreeblades.......There is TONS of hard facts. There is a lot more than "Mystique" to proper quench oils. Some people apparently are just scared of the facts...
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I think what some people are afraid of is that if the facts become as publicly distributed and accepted as the hype and mythology they have been promoting that their work will lose value.

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SShepherd said:
bam!!!!spot on observation:thumbup:
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I think it's the other way around.

Some people are afraid that their isolated facts, are really just hype and pseudoscience and are afraid if they are publicly exposed,...their work will lose value.

The canola people aren’t claiming that canola is superior, (just a good alternative), the Parks #50 guys are trying to claim superiority. That puts the burden of proof on the Parks #50 folks, and so far,… I for one, am not convinced or impressed.

Canola is still standing as a good alternative. That's all it has to do.

BAM!!! :D
 
A quote from another thread:

"We can view "hard facts" as reality, but an accumulation of facts no matter how large, is no more a science than a pile of bricks is a house." Ed Fowler

... and a box of rocks isn't a brain... neither is a bowl full of oatmeal.

Bam Bam,... BAM !!!

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bingo!

sunshadow said:
i think what some people are afraid of is that if the facts become as publicly distributed and accepted as the hype and mythology they have been promoting that their work will lose value.

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Tai Goo said:
A quote from another thread:

"We can view "hard facts" as reality, but an accumulation of facts no matter how large, is no more a science than a pile of bricks is a house." Ed Fowler
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Tai, are you going to be the one to tell Ed Fowler he shouldn't use Texaco A exclusively, or tout its performance, because his "facts" are nothing more than a pile of bricks - not a house?

He uses it because it outperforms any other method he's used. Not that other "alternatives" don't work.
But because Texaco A is consistent in its results and works well for the steels frequently hardened with it.

Same for #50.

Yep - alternatives work. No doubt.

Why are one person's "facts" a pile of bricks, yet, another person's facts are a house?
 
"i think what some people are afraid of is that if the facts become as publicly distributed and accepted as the hype and mythology they have been promoting that their work will lose value." -page

Yeah, I guess that one actually works both ways.
 
Karl B. Andersen said:
Why are one person's "facts" a pile of bricks, yet, another person's facts are a house?
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Facts alone are never a house or a science. They are just static bits of information... building blocks. It's what you do with them that is important,... and how you build your house is up to you. You can choose whatever bricks you want and stack them up your way. If someone doesn't like the way you've done it, they can build their own.

I think that's fair.

At any rate, there are always alternatives and options. Choose the ones you like and live with the consequences… but please just don’t come whining to me if your blade explodes when you dunk it in Parks #50, or cracks into pieces just sitting in a display case 10 years from now and start asking me a bunch of questions about canola, O.K.?
 
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Tai Goo said:
but please just don’t come whining to me if your blade explodes when you dunk it in Parks #50, or cracks into pieces just sitting in a display case 10 years from now and start asking me a bunch of questions about canola, O.K.?
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As long as you don't come whining to me and say, "Hey, Karl, where do you get your Parks #50?"
 
Tai Goo said:
I think it's the other way around.

Some people are afraid that their isolated facts, are really just hype and pseudoscience and are afraid if they are publicly exposed,...their work will lose value.

The canola people aren’t claiming that canola is superior, (just a good alternative), the Parks #50 guys are trying to claim superiority. That puts the burden of proof on the Parks #50 folks, and so far,… I for one, am not convinced or impressed.

Canola is still standing as a good alternative. That's all it has to do.

BAM!!! :D
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Again, I'm speaking on behalf of myself only, but I'm not saying that canola or vegetable oil are BAD alternatives. In fact, I still use vegetable oil for certain steels. As I've said before, I've used vegetable oil with great success in the past, and was satisfied with the hardness and edge performane my blades were getting.

That being said, I'm not going to say that Parks #50 is not superior quenchant to Bertolli #50.... ;)

At least not when it comes to treating 1095.

My '81 Pontiac Grand Prix was a great alternative to my '01 Honda Accord, in that they both have 4 wheels and an engine and got me from point A to point B without any problems. And although there's nothing inherintly special or magical about either model car, I'll take the Accord anyday.

That being said, if the engine were to blow up on my Accord tomorrow, and somebody offered me my '81 grand prix back, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
 
Karl B. Andersen said:
As long as you don't come whining to me and say, "Hey, Karl, where do you get your Parks #50?"
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not much to worry about in that department. ;)

When you give up on it, I'll take it off your hands though,... if you pay the shipping.

Maybe if I added some aromatic essential oils to it or something...?
 
I have done some experimental testing with a mixture of:

Parks 50 mixed with Canola in equal parts.....

Then I added a dash of mineral oil, AAA, and just a touch of virgin goat pee.

I quenched a blade made from unobtainium in this mixture during a full moon (making sure that the blade was pointed at magnetic north) at exactly 128.5 degrees Fahrenheit.

The results.................... The blade exploded and when I searched for an answer, I get this crazy thread espousing truths (or not) from all sides.

You guys are CRAZY. "Can't we just all get along?"......Rodney King:D
 
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