"Nocturnal Defense"

Originally posted by Arkham_Drifter
Mutt,

So, your not going to make any money off of your knife deals because you are going to buy makers knives at wholesale and then sell them at the wholesale price. OK, as long as your suppliers are Ok with you under selling them on their own knives.
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Personally I can't imagine any maker approving of someone buying his/her knives at a discount and then undercutting the makers own prices. This would be very counterproductive and could cause huge problems for the maker, even if it is only being done for Mutt's friends.

Sorry for propagating more thread drift, I just happened to find this a very interesting point.
 
Originally posted by JERRY SHIPMAN
you do have to admit pointed sticks are just about as original as tits on a boar .


Regards,
Jerry
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I don`t think anyone is disputing this, it is the blatent rip off of every design feature that has most people upset I think. The lack of all original thought that went in to the Hankins product.
 
Bob-- I agree that he did something wrong but all the up-roar over an item that has been done over and over is a joke . It kinda reminds me of the thread about the Karambits sometime back . When three or four were overlaid in a drawing you couldn't tell enough difference to count .

Jerry
 
Originally posted by JERRY SHIPMAN
Dr. L --

You really can't believe this . You want us to believe that because some maker makes a $400.00 copy of SOMEONE elses design that it sells more of the cheaper factory models . I'm not real sharp but that is as backwards as any statement made in this thread so far . Most low end slipjoint buyers could not even invision that someone would ask hundreds for what they could buy from case for $50 or $60 . Now I am not slaming slip joint buyers as I own many myself but get real , an unlicensed copy is an unlicensed copy no matter what it is . I don't agree with what Robert did but , you do have to admit pointed sticks are just about as original as tits on a boar .


Regards,
Jerry
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Jerry,

Please re-read my post. We DO agree on the first point!!! I'm saying that the custom versions have LITTLE affect on the factory versions DUE the price difference. What I'm also trying to say is that people usually see the custom, big dollar knives in the magazines, shows, etc. Only a small fraction of the market can afford to purchase the customs. Most people go for the less expensive factory versions. I feel that in a major respect, the custom slipjoint/multiblade/classic makers keep that market alive. Why do you think they do collaborations with custom makers like Tony Bose and Richard Rogers??
 
Dr,

I get your point and undrestand the collaborations with Tony and Richard,in our circle ( meaning true knife nuts ) we all know these guys and like to get the coll. because in my case anyway I can't afford Tony or Richard but know who they are and so on . On the other hand I showed many of my non knife friends some of my case, queen etc. knives and then some of Tonys', they had no clue who he was and they just about coughed up a lung when I gave the price . I do respect your position but I still think most low end buyers don't even get the mags. let alone see these multi hundreds or thousand dollar blade . Thanks for the response .

Jerry
 
'the45guy', I normally enjoy and understand your posts; but, grammatically speaking, I'm a bit confused by your last, i.e. :

i think he was referring to himself .... was being the key word.
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Did you mean to say, "i(sic) think he was referring to himself .... 'was' being the key word", wherein the word 'was', was being used as an adjective, quoted?

Because, if you were, in reviewing the previous posts made by aaron_simkovich, I fail to see said mention of the word 'was', on his part anyway...

Therefore, as such, I'm somewhat confused. :confused:

Please clarify this issue for me at your earliest convenience. Thanks.

Mel

-edited cuz I had to pee, the phone rang, and there was a knock at the door-
 
Well yes, my 'jammies' do match my slippers...lol

You're 'da bomb' John. Peace, and good tiding's.

Blowing off steam, taking a break from writing a book on RMK's, and having fun at my own expense...all the while, hopefully, defusing a really bad situation...

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Mel
 
As long as we're running off on tangents ... what's all this about stealing slipjoint designs from Case? Has Case ever made a design that hasn't been around since the Roman Empire? Not that I know of, but I don't know everything....
 
Well if you are refering to my post, Case is just an example because everyone knows it . I don't know who designed the first slipjoint . But what the hell everyone else seems to be taking credit for stuff so why not give some to a company that has actually done something of use .
 
I don't want to take sides, as I visit several knife forums, including the 2 primarily mentioned here and enjoy both.

However, over a year ago, TAD had pictures of an item for sale. It was a JSP/Bladerigger titanium stylus. It looks identical to Eric's, save the knurling in the grip.

I have seen point stick like the chop sticks out of many materials before.

No offense to anyone here, but those desings are not original by anymeans. People have been making those for years, in various sizes and materials.

Now, it does appear that Robert simply copied what he saw in the photo, instead of putting any creativity into the basic design. That truely sucks. However, the design itself is not original and isn't owned by anyone. It's a damn sharpened stick.

JR
 
Originally posted by brandon
I tried really hard to keep from posting on this thread, but in the end I could not help myself. Im not sure what Mr. Mutt's beef is, but I sure wish he would choke on it.
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My beef is that there was a BFC and USN blowout a while back, and all of a sudden, some USN jerk is back here with fighting words...

If I were post inflammatory words on USN, how welcome would I be?

Look at it this way...
It's illegal to sodomize little 12 year old prostitutes here in the United States. You go to Thailand, it's acceptable... so if a pedophile from the US goes to Thailand to sodmize little kids, does it make the act less immoral? No....

I'm saying that USN members should not bring their beefs here...

and about the dealership... it's irrelevant to anyone here as they will not be offered for sale on the boards. Who's to care how much I charge my brother, cousin, or best friend? Even if I don't sell one knife, I buy enough knives that to pursue dealership options for several brands would be beneficial for me. The reason that was brought into the discussion was that someone mentioned that I defended Hankins because I wanted to make money off him... that is the furthest from the truth. I defended Hankins because he offended USN...

I hate USN cause their members tend to get snotty on their boards and then come here to unload their bullsh*t. Especially, when there was a blowout a few months back which ended in a gentleman's agreement that USN issues stayed there, and BFC issues stay here... I don't go there to flame people, I don't wanna hear their flames here... is that too much to ask?
 
Originally posted by Jeremy Reynolds
Now, it does appear that Robert simply copied what he saw in the photo, instead of putting any creativity into the basic design. That truely sucks. However, the design itself is not original and isn't owned by anyone. It's a damn sharpened stick.

JR
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I think you hit the nail right on the head. The problem is Mr. Hankins copied Erics stuff exactly,,with no creativity. If he had made them smooth with say rings around them and called them his tactical eye poker-outer I think this would be a non-issue. It's the intent that is the problem in my book. He intended to copy and take advantage of the current popularity created by Erics version. That is the real "injustice".

Phillip
 
Mutt, what you say does have truth to it. It is quite likely that a thread like this would have been locked long ago on USN. I have not however seen anything being posted by the USN members that would have gotten them banned on their own forum. They have come to post their feelings about something that was done and have not been disrespectful of the rules of BFC in doing so.
 
Originally posted by Toxic

So basically, Mutt, I don't care who makes "chopsticks", unless they saw many pics of mine first, make them from the same diameter ti, with the same type of taper to the point, the same traction grooves, and the same exact style sheath. He even copied the exact hole set-up for the lanyard on the sheath.

Is any of this making sense to you yet, Mutt? Probably not.

Eric Blair
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Gee Eric, you made a sharpened stick...
you didn't patent it did you?
I think you owe all of China some sort of royalty for stealing the concept behind two sticks...

And, you could have communicated this over on your board or on USN where you mentioned that Hankins frequented... with your two posts here, you came here specifically to crap on the carpet...
 
Oh, yeah. I forgot. Round 6. Let's get ready to ruuuuuuuumble! Let's get it on! *ding, ding, ding, ding*

Originally posted by shmoopiebear
... why can't we all just get along? OK. Enough of the levity. Back to the thread... ;)
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Originally posted by MelancholyMutt

And, you could have communicated this over on your board or on USN where you mentioned that Hankins frequented... with your two posts here, you came here specifically to crap on the carpet...
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Mutt;

For information, Eric is a long time member here at BFC, under his first name, I believe. Also , the USN is Erics forum; he is the founder and administrator.

I believe Eric came here to make all of us aware of what was going on, and that is perfectly acceptable. His idea was copied by someone who frequents BFC, and he came here to let those of us who can't/don't visit the USN know exactly what the situation is.

I appreciate the heads up. Hankins is well aware of what he did wrong, and even attempted to apologize for it. If I were in Eric's position, I'd be royally pissed too.

I hope Hankins learned his lesson, and I hope he can generate his own designs from now on. He has the talent and the ability to make some awesome stuff, but now he needs to step back, think of some original stuff, and go to work.
 
... the thread hasn't been locked down since no controversy in any of the forums has got people to register a heartbeat in a long time. This one is getting people's hearts racing like a virgin getting his first prostitute. Heave ho and onwards. :D

Originally posted by Keith Montgomery
Mutt, what you say does have truth to it. It is quite likely that a thread like this would have been locked long ago on USN. I have not however seen anything being posted by the USN members that would have gotten them banned on their own forum. They have come to post their feelings about something that was done and have not been disrespectful of the rules of BFC in doing so.
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Originally posted by shmoopiebear
... the thread hasn't been locked down since no controversy in any of the forums has got people to register a heartbeat in a long time. This one is getting people's hearts racing like a virgin getting his first prostitute. Heave ho and onwards. :D
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LMFAO:D Now that is a saying I will have to use :D
 
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