Nutnfancy makes video supporting fake Chinese XM18

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Not really. You're confusing ownership in the ethical/moral sense with ownership in the legal sense. Two different things.
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Two different things. But utterly irrelevant.

Which is one reason why these threads cause so much grief. Fans like to bring up legal concepts (IP) when their meaning is really in terms of a personal code of honor or ethics, as they see it. This is fundamentally mistaken. And why it's so disingenuous to make charges of theft when there really isn't any at all. It's more like a fan believing he'll be more persuasive if he's just more passionate about vocalizing his opinion by tarting up the charges with exaggerations. And when that doesn't fly, throw in a heaping helping of indignation to really get the ire flowing. Happens pretty predictably in these threads, with hurt feelings as they retreat to the moral high horse, believing themselves to be islands of chivalry in a sea of disrepute. All because of a refusal to accept the reality not only of intellectual property, but the methods by which it's circumvented.
 
I dont think this is going to hurt Ricks business one bit. In fact it ll probably help it! As for Nut n Fancy, he is just that,a nut.
 
I don't personally care for Nut'n's reviews. He preaches on and on and on and he whines about an ounce here or an ounce there. I mean seriously I had a ZT 0200 in my pocket and couldn't tell the difference. Now in hand is a different story.He also seems very very biased and almost like he gets paid for certain reviews. Don't even get me started on the .......Oh why bother. we all know what he does lol.
 
Jaytaylor said:
I may start up my own product - a $5 folding knife, tastlessly painted with a camo pattern and N'pansy stamped down the side of the blade togehter with MADE IN USA and CPMS90V courtesy of our IP disregarding cussies in China.....
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depends... will it have jimping and will it come signed :P
 
Like Spyderco works with Taiwan. And China. Some makers. Like Hinderer who reserve the right to sell only to active social and military service....can't meet the supply and demand that CRK and Strider does. Could benefit from such partnerships. Yes there is the Kershaw and ZT models. Chinese and American. They just don't have the feel if Hinderer. Besides the ZT 05+s. those being too large for some to EDC. Southard just proved along with Spyderco that a perfect marriage can be created. Most of us will never get a real Southard or Hinderer. Second best is sometimes okay. There are two parts to Chinese manufacturing. Cutting costs to make American products affordable. Copying others to make a profit. I suggest China made heart valves that killed people because no one knew they were copies. That's when things get scary. When you don't know what's in hand.

None of us would be able to do anything on bladeforums if it wasnt for a direct partnership with China. Smartphone, iphone, tablet, Droid, IPad, laptop or desktop. How about cameras and video cameras YouTube? Thanks
 
Sure, the knockoff is very amoral. People need to realize one thing that was pointed out: the knockoff will not detract business from Hinderer. I would never in a million years spend $400 or $800 on a knife. I can scrounge up $80 though. There is nothing taken from Hinderer's market because this knife is marketed at people like me, I.e. low disposable income. I have a fake Umnumzaan and LOVE it. For the dirt cheap price of it and D2 blade AND titanium handles, not even my Emerson or Navaja can come within a mile of it.

I find the knockoffs to be good with limitations. It forces some competition to bring down mass market prices. If these Chinese companies finally man up and make their own designs (or just stop being blatant on stealing and use their own name and change the designs some), knife companies will have a fight on their hands.
 
Most of us understand that Intellectual Property is a term that refers to legal exclusive rights, but those who point that out are indulging in red herrings or ignoratio elenchis. Just because HindererKnives is unable to pursue legal action doesn't absolve Nutnfancy and the company he's endorsing from any moral wrongdoings. In reality, Nutnfancy's positive review will encourage sales of counterfeits. These counterfeits will financially/ethically undermine an established knife manufacture that fulfills the knife community's demand for high quality blades.

At the very least, Hinderer's name is being misrepresented or slandered through association with said product. The counterfeit will eventually be passed-off as the real thing and uniformed third-parties will formulate negative opinions about HindererKnives based on a phony product. In the long run, it's conceivable how looting intellectual's of their rewards for technological advancements could discourage further advancements and contributions. By financially rewarding counterfeiters, you begin a pendulum swing in a direction that entrusts the future of the industry to them; a move that will ultimately leave consumers without innovation and quality.

Regarding the issue with entitlement to high dollar resources/items: People’s wants, needs, or desires (perceived/real) are never a valid justification to loot/steal/pillage others' property.
 
Just a quick aside to those saying it won't impact business. Maybe it won't hit authentic Hinderers or the ZT models, but what about the Cryo, Cryo 2 or Thermite? There's a company paying Mr. Hinderer to get quality, low price designs and I certainly think that could easily be affected by counterfeits of the more expensive midtechs.
 
He genuinely has a problem with Rick Hinderer. I could always hear it in his tone when he talks about Hinderer Knives.
He always makes it sound like he has no money, like he can't afford a high end knife, sorta like he wants all knives to be made under $300 no matter what kind of knife it is or the materials used.
I think Rick should just give NutN a free XM-18 to review, maybe he will stop all this non sense.
 
I have never bought a fake Hinderer or any other brand and I am not going to but I would much rather support the Chinese that all those ass....s who buy a Hinderer just to flip it for twice its price. You know who you are.
 
I wonder how many subscribers nutnfancy has lost over this video? What does it say about a person who reviews fake knives?
 
Nutnfancy is a "value knife" guy, first. Maybe he was just giving the middle finger to knife manufacturers who over price their production knives.:thumbup: $100 is my general limit. My most expensive knife is a standard Spyderco military. We are in a economic "cold war" with China. I always avoid Chinese products if there is another option available. :thumbdn: My only Chinese knife is the pound for pound value champ: blue Tenacious. I did give Nutn's video thumbs down for supporting chinese knock-offs, but he is still ONE of the reviewers I check with before I purchase a new production knife :p.
 
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I seriously doubt the person who buys one of these has ever heard of Hinderer. Doesn't make it right but I believe it's an entirely different consumer this knife will appeal to.
 
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