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Nutnfancy makes video supporting fake Chinese XM18
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RetiredGuns
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Not for me because of forgery. I get a kick out of him calling his loyalists "TNP-ers". Maybe I need to cultivate some Steve-ers 
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Counterfeit products help spread the brand name and increase sales of the real thing? ...And aren't actively making the real maker/company lose money 
confused???
Well OK, then... That "other guy" shouldn't mind this.
Folks, I'd like to re-introduce myself. My name is nutnfncy (The "a" got knocked off for being authentic), and I'm coming to a You Tube channel near you with what might sound like accurate info on many topics...maybe. But who cares? It's not like you're paying anything for it...except maybe for the counterfeit products I convince you to buy with my review vids. No need to fret wondering if I'm a fake...trust me, I'm the real McCay.
confused???Well OK, then... That "other guy" shouldn't mind this.
Folks, I'd like to re-introduce myself. My name is nutnfncy (The "a" got knocked off for being authentic
), and I'm coming to a You Tube channel near you with what might sound like accurate info on many topics...maybe. But who cares? It's not like you're paying anything for it...except maybe for the counterfeit products I convince you to buy with my review vids. No need to fret wondering if I'm a fake...trust me, I'm the real McCay.
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......buy a Spyderco Superleaf instead and marvel at what a hundred bucks will get you.
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A lot of people want a lot of things but they can't afford them. If I want an expensive tool I either save for it or I buy what I can afford. I certainly don't go out and buy a fake Milwaukee drill so I can "think" I have something of high quality. The ZT 056x series is wildly popular because it fills the very niche for those that can't afford a secondary market Hinderer or are not qualified for a direct purchase.
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I don't buy counterfeits for one, big, practical reason. What else are they lying about? Why would I take the word of someone manufacturing a fake with CTS-XHP printed on the blade when it claims to be D2 steel? Why would I believe they use titanium and not aluminum? There are some great knives made in China, but I'm immensely suspicious of any company that seriously compromises their business ethics. I can pretty much promise that if they aren't worried about making Hinderer, Buck, Kershaw or Spyderco angry they sure as heck aren't worried about making me angry.
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HUGE +1. Any sort of advertising (I don't care what the intention) of these fakes is completely out of line. His reasoning pisses me off even more: "for me NOT to cover these would be wrong because they are such a phenomenon." (paraphrased of course but you get the gist). So hes basically airing this garbage for the purposes of making a video he feels he has a duty to make....:thumbdn:
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If manufacturers care, they know who he is, then they can do something about it. They can stop giving him media passes or acknowledging them at gun and knife shows etc..
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Nutnfancy is wrong to dodge the whole political issue of these knives. Obviously, from what we've read here, its an extremely political issue. I agree, he can't simply say that he doesn't want to talk about it, and all is forgiven.
BUT. He does have a few valid points. He explicitly says that he is not responsible for the protection of the US knife industry. This is true. Its not his job. As a gear reviewer he is (as he says) a consumer advocate. And therefore, his position is to investigate what is available to us consumers.
He also says that this phenomenon can't be ignored. I tend to agree. When you have a flood of knock off knives coming from overseas (or anywhere really) it indicates that there is a demand for them. Authentic Hinderer knives are sold at inflated prices. Regardless if people believe that they're "worth every penny" they're not. At $800, they are simply prohibitively expensive for the people that could use them. It's an ingenious design and a beautiful knife. But the craftsmanship and materials (especially in the 3rd and 4th gen xm-18's) simply does not value $800.
Therefore, it remains that the people who buy the knock offs would have never purchased an authentic xm-18 in the first place. So Rick isn't losing any money.
That is not to say that I condone IP theft. I certainly don't. But as nutnfancy said, it is certainly an interesting phenomenon.
BUT. He does have a few valid points. He explicitly says that he is not responsible for the protection of the US knife industry. This is true. Its not his job. As a gear reviewer he is (as he says) a consumer advocate. And therefore, his position is to investigate what is available to us consumers.
He also says that this phenomenon can't be ignored. I tend to agree. When you have a flood of knock off knives coming from overseas (or anywhere really) it indicates that there is a demand for them. Authentic Hinderer knives are sold at inflated prices. Regardless if people believe that they're "worth every penny" they're not. At $800, they are simply prohibitively expensive for the people that could use them. It's an ingenious design and a beautiful knife. But the craftsmanship and materials (especially in the 3rd and 4th gen xm-18's) simply does not value $800.
Therefore, it remains that the people who buy the knock offs would have never purchased an authentic xm-18 in the first place. So Rick isn't losing any money.
That is not to say that I condone IP theft. I certainly don't. But as nutnfancy said, it is certainly an interesting phenomenon.
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The only way I can know if it's bad quality is to buy them, and see for myself. But by then I already wasted my money. It's like when you talk in class, the teacher gives the entire class silent lunch, because she/he can't distinguish between the good, and the bad. And why stimulate their economy when their gov't doesn't help us file lawsuits against the companies making counterfeit. Like I said these are all my opinions, and they may differ from your opinion. I don't feel like taking the time to figure out who's good and who's bad, product wise.
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HUGE +1. Any sort of advertising (I don't care what the intention) of these fakes is completely out of line. His reasoning pisses me off even more: "for me NOT to cover these would be wrong because they are such a phenomenon." (paraphrased of course but you get the gist). So hes basically airing this garbage for the purposes of making a video he feels he has a duty to make....:thumbdn:
I guess he considers them a 'phenomenon' because a lot of his 'tnp-ers' have them and wanted him to do a review. I guess that should say something about the majority of his viewers. That and the fact that they will pay several hundred dollars for a $50 knife that has been duracoated/cerakoted.
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It's just wrong when anyone puts someone else's brand name on their product. Make a like product (if no patents are infringed) and put your name on it and sell it for what you want, but don't step over the line. But this nutntool who opposes a big price on any knife posts his video endorsement of this exact practice. Unforgivable
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It's unbelievable how this perception becomes high hypocrisy.
So, to buying american company knives who's make most of the knives in China it's okay but, when Chineses make they own knives there're knock off and you won't buy them?
You and few others, correct me if I'm wrong.....
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That's all. I care very little if they are sold only in China, but they are not fairly competing in the global market where Hinderer and Kershaw are selling in countries that follow the same trade rules about IP.
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That question almost ran me out of BF a few days ago. Especially that I wouldn't touch a ripoff of an American product, my options are severely limited. I own the 550 and a 551 collabs, love them but it makes me want an XM even more! Wish I can afford it.
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Here I'll translate to proper English so others can understand
It's unbelievable how this perception becomes such a high hypocrisy.
So, buying an American company's knives, who makes a lot of them in China is ok, but when the Chinese make their own knife it's a knockoff? And why wouldn't you buy them?
You and a few others correct me if I'm wrong.
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Hah, your consistent. :thumbup:
There's an inherent difference between the two. Surely you know that... Chinese making their own knives is one thing, I dont think that is the issue here. Think more along the lines of theft of intellectual property, original designs. With the Brand's name in the fake knife to boot.
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It's copyright issue....china makes so many name knock off? For clothing it's Gucci, Chanel. For watches is Rolex, Cartier....they get caught & punish big time. eBay even lost a 20million dollar settlement for allowing some seller to sell fakes.
Now is Rick Hinderer going to do the same? Hire a big time lawyer to sue for copying his design. He should.....it's like if I were to sell NBA Lakers T-shirt, I cannot jus got print them. I must get permission first.
And if one cannot afford a true XM-18, don't buy a fake one... Just get what you can afford.
Now is Rick Hinderer going to do the same? Hire a big time lawyer to sue for copying his design. He should.....it's like if I were to sell NBA Lakers T-shirt, I cannot jus got print them. I must get permission first.
And if one cannot afford a true XM-18, don't buy a fake one... Just get what you can afford.
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