Nutnfancy makes video supporting fake Chinese XM18

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Please list some deserving targets to discuss on bladeforums, since apparently talking about knives being sold is now taboo. We must carefully pick these battles, as we can't go squandering our precious keystrokes unless we are going to ask about a new EDC, or how to sharpen something, or what color G10 we like.
 
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powernoodle said:
You guys seriously have your priorities out of whack if an internet knife reviewer can make you so mad that you are doing the pee pee dance. And lets not worry too much about Rick Hinderer. Anyone who has the temerity to charge that much for a dang knife and get away with it can certainly take care of himself. I think whats really going on here is that Nutnfancy is exposing the outrageous, bloated markup on some American supposed "high end" knives, and its embarrassing their fan boys. So they call Nutnfancy nasty names. Thats what a psychiatrist would call transference.
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I'm torn on this one. I don't support Knock offs, but I also don't support the business ethics of Rick Hinderer. In fact, I don't support his attitude, at all.

This thread is a wash, to me.
 
ishiyumisan said:
It's unbelievable how this perception becomes high hypocrisy.


So, to buying american company knives who's make most of the knives in China it's okay but, when Chineses make they own knives there're knock off and you won't buy them?

You and few others, correct me if I'm wrong.....
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Original design, regardless of origin = good
Copied design, regardless of origin = theft

That's about as simple as I can make it.
 
I don't think there is any legal IP rights violation here given the knife isn't being passed off as genuine. However, it is still despicable for nutty to basically endorse buying such a knife. If he's as serious a reviewer as he wants everyone to think he wouldn't give a knife like that any exposure. It may not be illegal but it is clearly meant to look as much the real thing as possible so IMO it is an attempt to make money off of someone else's design.
 
powernoodle said:
You guys seriously have your priorities out of whack if an internet knife reviewer can make you so mad that you are doing the pee pee dance. And lets not worry too much about Rick Hinderer. Anyone who has the temerity to charge that much for a dang knife and get away with it can certainly take care of himself. I think whats really going on here is that Nutnfancy is exposing the outrageous, bloated markup on some American supposed "high end" knives, and its embarrassing their fan boys. So they call Nutnfancy nasty names. Thats what a psychiatrist would call transference.
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It's well known you are a huge fan of Nuntfancy. But you make it seem like it's a slap in the face for someone to make a living selling knives. Is everyone that sells knives outside your/their (individual) financial comfort zone temerious? Rick sells the knives for about $385-$500 to first responders, etc. I don't see anymore issues with people supporting Rick Hinderer as a quality knifemaker than I do with TNP-ers getting upset because their hero is under scruity from his own doing. I agree that Rick doesn't need ane speaking up him anymore than Nut'd needs anyone taking for him. Too many people confuse need vs want, along with a sense of entitlement to boot.

What is really going on in the video is the person wrist flicking the knives open, is condoning and basically saying the counterfeit knives are alright. Are fake Rolex knives alright? What about pirated DVDs? There is no transference here, it's simply called visceral reactions. If someone wants to discuss their distaste for them, they can and they are. Just like so many are happy with their $5 SnRenMu, Enlan, Bee knives.
 
estate4life said:
It's copyright issue....china makes so many name knock off? For clothing it's Gucci, Chanel. For watches is Rolex, Cartier....they get caught & punish big time. eBay even lost a 20million dollar settlement for allowing some seller to sell fakes.

Now is Rick Hinderer going to do the same? Hire a big time lawyer to sue for copying his design. He should.....it's like if I were to sell NBA Lakers T-shirt, I cannot jus got print them. I must get permission first.
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No. It's not a copyright issue. If there is any IP issue, it would be by patent or possibly a trademark. However, nobody in this thread has claimed knowledge that this is actually fact. It's entirely possible that there is no patent or trademark issue at all.

The only potential issue here is fraud by counterfeit. Which has nothing to do with patent, and maybe coincidentally to trademark. It also has nothing to do with the quality of the knife, which I have no doubt is good.

And that is what will make boutique knife makers really nervous.
 
EagleScouter said:
Original design, regardless of origin = good
Copied design, regardless of origin = theft

That's about as simple as I can make it.
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Simple. And wrong.

Copied design, regardless of origin, is only theft if someone actually owns the design. Conjuring up a design is not ownership. In order to claim ownership, the designer has to do what every other person does to claim ownership: take out a patent. If the designer does not, or can not take out a patent, then the design is not owned by anyone. Designer may get bragging rights, but that's about it.
 
I watched this and laughed as I fondled my 0560.
Chinese + Hinderer = Chinderer?
 
Locutus D'Borg said:
My wife's handbag forum (yes, it really exists) has the exact same discussions. About those who buy knock-off purses and those who only buy real. And they are so rampant that the purse companies' police can't keep up with the traffic.
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I was in China for 3 weeks with my GF who is Chinese. The amount of purse and wallet knockoffs is amazing. And that's not to mention the thousands and thousands of other items that are fakes.

The part that I found most interesting is that the wealthy Chinese pay huge dollars for the REAL items and its a status symbol for them.
 
shecky said:
Simple. And wrong.

Copied design, regardless of origin, is only theft if someone actually owns the design. Conjuring up a design is not ownership. In order to claim ownership, the designer has to do what every other person does to claim ownership: take out a patent. If the designer does not, or can not take out a patent, then the design is not owned by anyone. Designer may get bragging rights, but that's about it.
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Not really. You're confusing ownership in the ethical/moral sense with ownership in the legal sense. Two different things. If you design a knife and then someone knocks it off that doesn't stop it from being your design. It just means you'll have a nearly impossible time taking legal action against them for stealing your IP. Which is basically how it goes in the knife industry anyhow. Unless patenting a technological improvement like a novel locking mechanism or the like the closest you can do is take out an ornamental design patent which really only protects you against counterfeiters since it only takes the tiniest change to get around ornamental design patents.
 
Putting the Hinderer mark on the knife isn't right, you gotta draw the line somewhere regardless of how you look at it.
 
Like many others, I started out watching youtube with him and a few others. I used to like his vids but the more I watched the more he wore on me. I am still subbed to him but hardly ever watch his stuff.

That being said, I could care less what he does with his channel, I'm probably going to unsub. I like to buy as local as I can and that includes this country.

I get where he was going with it, an $80 knife made of titanium and D2 is a great value, that doesn't change the fact that they are trying to pass them off as Hinderer designs.

He's a hat worn on the posterior.
 
If he was a responsible reviewer he'd have simply made the video about how to identify knock offs so you don't get taken on ebay...ect.

To go into an actual review of these abominations and basically endorsing them and to try to run Kershaw into the ground in the process is very low class.
 
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