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HOLE
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But Eric's idea sounds like a doable option, and might satisfy everyone.
But if not- HOLE
I'm not too partial, am I?
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O.K. Boys. . . I need help with the folder. Thumb Stud? or Blade Hole?r
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HOLE
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But Eric's idea sounds like a doable option, and might satisfy everyone.
But if not- HOLE
I'm not too partial, am I?
I'm also surprised at how many hole advocates there are. I prefer the stud and I've had very few problems with them [although it's true some do catch up on pockets. I'm not sure what differentiates those that do from those that don't, probably the taper] Some are very easy to maintain and tighten, like Elishewitz's, and they look pretty cool too, without taking a chunk out of the blade. The Allen key versions are fairly inconvenient, especially in the field. I'm not a big hole fan. But I seem to be in the minority.
Eric's idea for both is interesting. Do Canadian patents apply in the USA
The stud and hole idea in the Strider is fairly odd: pants and suspenders. If the a big benefit of the hole is to avoid having a stud to catch on things, having a stud too kind of defeats the purpose. Worse, does a stud that far back on the blade work very well? I have a custom that has one that far back and it doesn't open very well, but the blade is quite big.
As far as Canadian legal concerns, that's been covered at length in the Canadian forum over the last couple of years. There's no foolproof way to immunize any folder from be being used to harass you by a Canadian LEO who is being unreasonable or malicious: if the knife can be flicked open, even when worn or loose, it's a violation of the Canadian Criminal Code to carry, inter alia. Make sure it's tight enough. Again, I prefer to be able to adjust the tension without a key. But that's me.
Eric's idea for both is interesting. Do Canadian patents apply in the USA
The stud and hole idea in the Strider is fairly odd: pants and suspenders. If the a big benefit of the hole is to avoid having a stud to catch on things, having a stud too kind of defeats the purpose. Worse, does a stud that far back on the blade work very well? I have a custom that has one that far back and it doesn't open very well, but the blade is quite big.
As far as Canadian legal concerns, that's been covered at length in the Canadian forum over the last couple of years. There's no foolproof way to immunize any folder from be being used to harass you by a Canadian LEO who is being unreasonable or malicious: if the knife can be flicked open, even when worn or loose, it's a violation of the Canadian Criminal Code to carry, inter alia. Make sure it's tight enough. Again, I prefer to be able to adjust the tension without a key. But that's me.
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hole...less chance of failure, better for slicing, no risk of snagging
Another vote for the "hole" as long as it's not going to be a whimpy one and it's not going to dictate a blade design with a hump.
As others have mentioned, thumb studs could snag (at a critical time) but, furthermore, they could prevent the penetration of the blade "to-the-hilt" (as someone else commented, the hole allows you to use "all of the blade").
Blade stops on the Strider SnG as well as the Camillus Cuda Maxx should not be confused as thumbstuds (although they can be used as such). These stops are positioned at the rear end of the blade--not further forward where it could limit blade penetration to less than the full length of the blade.
Edit: I tried to vote but was rejected twice.
As others have mentioned, thumb studs could snag (at a critical time) but, furthermore, they could prevent the penetration of the blade "to-the-hilt" (as someone else commented, the hole allows you to use "all of the blade").
Blade stops on the Strider SnG as well as the Camillus Cuda Maxx should not be confused as thumbstuds (although they can be used as such). These stops are positioned at the rear end of the blade--not further forward where it could limit blade penetration to less than the full length of the blade.
Edit: I tried to vote but was rejected twice.
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There ya go!
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Toothed,
This was exactly the point of one of my earlier posts. While I don't have a Cuda Maxx I do own a couple of DDR's MADD MAXX and Mini MAXX flippers. The studs are butted to the handle and mounted very low these are not the same "beast" as true thumb studs. With a "flipper" you need to remove the internal blade stop to allow for the "flipper handle" to rotate around the pivot axis. If the design were to create a "flipper" then this is needed along with "handles" but if not there is no need for these stops. I hate these type of "blade stop" as it is too easy to "pinch" stuff in them and you just can't get the same bite and leverage on them as you can from regular thumb stubs. I would much prefer an internal blade stop with a 9/16 hole or even traditional thumb studs over the use of external blade stops.
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Is the poll rigged, over, or broken? 
I get this message when I try to vote for the HOLE:
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...and no I did not vote before in the poll when I commented on my preference for the hole!!!
...but just in case, since the poll will not take my vote, even though I mentioned it above, if there is still even an unreasonable doubt remaining, I would prefer the HOLE: 
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...and no I did not vote before in the poll when I commented on my preference for the hole!!!
...but just in case, since the poll will not take my vote, even though I mentioned it above, if there is still even an unreasonable doubt remaining, I would prefer the HOLE:
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SpyderHole (tm), just give Sal a phone!
Okay, since you asked - how about a dual thumbstud that can be removed to reveal a hole big enough to open with? No one else has done it, it's a darn good idea, and I'd expect Busse to be able to pull it off with typical nuclear toughness, if anyone can!
By the way - I am serious. Seems like a hole with a slight lip could mate with a double-sided thumbstud/disk that would completely fill the hole. A little extra work, but what's a little extra work when you're creating perfection?
By the way - I am serious. Seems like a hole with a slight lip could mate with a double-sided thumbstud/disk that would completely fill the hole. A little extra work, but what's a little extra work when you're creating perfection?
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The hole for sure-been carying a spyderco police for 10 yrs.
Simple,easy to use,ambidextrous-no worries about losing the
stud,which would be a real p.i.t.a.
I also tried to vote,but was denied access.
Simple,easy to use,ambidextrous-no worries about losing the
stud,which would be a real p.i.t.a.
I also tried to vote,but was denied access.
Jerry Busse
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The poll is still going. I think the server issue at Bladeforums may be causing the trouble. . . please try again. . .
We will be counting "hanging chads" !!!
Jerry
We will be counting "hanging chads" !!!
Jerry
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BOTH!!!!!! But if I had to choose..... Make the hole!
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Since your making a folder, Benchmade will have to wait! oval hole
Normark's idea is brilliant. As an alternative to nipples/studs though, I'd suggest a concave pocket of serrated high impact plastic that stands 1/8" to 3/16" from, and flush with, the spine, and is also convex/round 1/2" from front to back along the spine to prevent snagging. This could be reversible, so it wouldn't have to protrude on both sides: one side thumb-pocket, one side flat. I'd suggest phillips screw to hold it together, as more guys have access to a multi-tool than allen/hex sets (I'd suggest these throughout the knife). I think the thumb-pocket would provide the utility of a stud, while reducing the chances of slipping or snagging. And of course, we should all get a big discount on your first run for helping you create it. All In Favor...!? The AYEs have it!
It would be nice if the custom shop could offer the blade with a bit of bead weld applied near the spine and shaped to that the stud or whatever shape opening protrusion appears as if it were machined as part of the blade. This could be situated above a hole, giving the best of both worlds.