Opinions of this ?

;):D;):jerkit:Poor hunting skills-bad shots-unprofessional guide. Maybe the Canadians should stick to hockey pucks and leave the real shooting to us damn yankees!:D
 
Even though it was not a clean Kill.

It probably was more humane than the way most animals die naturally either through starvation,predation, or disease. Very few animals die of old age.
 
Diamond Dog said:
To this day I do not know why they did this-if they were trying to scare me away to get to the buck I was after (maybe they saw it too)? Or if they were trying to scare me away from the small does below me? Maybe there were a poor shot or some meatheads just screwing with me. I was wearing blaze orange too, large vest and blaze orange beanine on my head so it was obvious I WAS NOT THE DEAR. Sometimes I think about this and wonder if they were really trying to kill me?
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I'd guess it was still a case of mistaken identity. A friend of mine said it best: "There about 10% out there who are hunters. The other 90% are just people with guns."

Never underestimate the heightened idiotic effects of an adrenaline rush combined with low I.Q.

I can't say I really "own" any wilderness skills completely, except one (or two): I can stalk. I've always been good at it since childhood, for whatever reason. I used to have cats a few years ago. I practiced stalking up on them in the house, and many times they turned, saw me and hissed, startled that I snuck up on them. Cats are the best targets for stalking practice. It's hard to get in on them. And there's nothing like getting that startle reaction out of an animal that can't believe you just stalked up to them without their knowing. The reaction on their part is like a sort of disbelief. :D

The other one is that I can shoot. My skills right now have atrophied a bit since my car accident, but when I hunted, I've been able to get in close, and never take a shot unless I am sure it is clean. The right ammo and the right gun are obviously a part of the equation: it needs to be most effective at the ranges you will be shooting at. I'm paranoid about one-shot, one-kill, and am always, always ready for the follow-up immediately because of this.

I probably don't have as many kills as others, because I won't go for shots that others might.
 
If you can't kill it with one shot, one of two things is happening: poor marksmanship or not enough gun. Most likely it's the former. That's sickening and it's people like that that ruin hunters' reputation. :mad:
 
Don Rearic said:
1. Funny coming from a Marxist. Stalin killed, murdered, executed, whatever you want to call it, more people than Hitler did.

2. Auschwitz and all the other hellholes like it (Bergen-Belsen, Sobibor, etc.) were the end result of the policies of a vegetarian who loved his pet dogs dearly, namely - Adolph Hitler. Auschwitz may have just as easily began because he had such a hatred for some human life. Perhaps all human life. He valued animals more than human beings.

Not to sidetrack or make it political, it's just a brilliant quote until you consider history - then it's not really so brilliant after all in this context.
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Stalin wasn't a Marxist. He was a dictator of a society which had its Marxist ideals twisted by corruption. Lenin was a Marxist, whose tried to develop an ideal society, which was eventually corrupted by Stalin and his ilk, for their own gain.

I don't think Marxism works, but comparing this Marxist philosopher to Stalin is completely off base.
 
What also doesn't work is when you guys keep discussing politics in the Wilderness Skills forum!!! :D
 
k-spar said:
Stalin wasn't a Marxist. He was a dictator of a society which had its Marxist ideals twisted by corruption. Lenin was a Marxist, whose tried to develop an ideal society, which was eventually corrupted by Stalin and his ilk, for their own gain.

I don't think Marxism works, but comparing this Marxist philosopher to Stalin is completely off base.
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Any political ideology that relies on the perfection of man is doomed to failure. Capitalism isn't looking too good nowadays either. :)

Brian - I know, I know.
 
k-spar said:
Stalin wasn't a Marxist. He was a dictator of a society which had its Marxist ideals twisted by corruption. Lenin was a Marxist, whose tried to develop an ideal society, which was eventually corrupted by Stalin and his ilk, for their own gain.

I don't think Marxism works, but comparing this Marxist philosopher to Stalin is completely off base.
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Lenin killed a shitload of people anyway.
 
orrey45 said:
Well I like to hunt but I only think you should shoot what you are ging to eat. If you are not going to eat it then you shouldnt be shooting it. Can you even eat bear? I dont think you can. As far as the length of the kill, I think you should kill the animal as quickly and painlessly as possible. Not to sound cheesy but a long, painful kill just for fun and not for food is not honorable.
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Bear's good eatin'!
 
I went to a movie theatre and it was a really violent slash and shoot em up. (can't remember the name of the movie.) What I do remember is that after some guy killed at least twenty people he shot a dog. Nearly everyone in the theatre said "awww poor thing." It made me wonder how they could watch human beings being murdered with out batting an eye, they didn't even stop sipping their sodas or munching their popcorn yet they all fell apart because a dog died.
Made me wonder just how compassionate they really are. I also wonder how many have just been brainwashed by the anti hunters to join a cause because it is easier to be outraged by someone shooting an animal than it is to be outraged by a nation at war.
How many people who have protested against hunting have protested against the war. How many vegetarians have leather in their car seats or furniture or in their shoes or clothing.
How many animal rights activist have spent time trying to rescue gang bangers and meth heads from their circumstances.
It's easy to be outraged by something a minority of people do even if it a long standing part of their heritage.
It is something else to elevate the beasts of the field above the sanctity of human existance.
 
I am not making excuses for the Hunters in that video.

However if you seen a slaughterhouse. That bear suffered less than some of the meat from the grocery store comes from.

So the next time you eat a hamburger, Just think how that cow might have went through more suffering than that bear.

Don't believe me, look it up on youtube

By the way I am pro hunting and pro meat
 
What amazes me is how many people think hunting is cruel and inhumane then procede to go to the supermarket and purchase a cellophane wrapped piece of meat on a styrofoam tray, that was produced by the factory farming industry.

ignorance is bliss to these people. They dont see the slaughterhouses or the animals killed for that matter they just see the packaging which makes it ok. They didnt kill, they just went to the store and bought some meat.
 
dd61999 said:
I am not making excuses for the Hunters in that video.

However if you seen a slaughterhouse. That bear suffered less than some of the meat from the grocery store comes from.

So the next time you eat a hamburger, Just think how that cow might have went through more suffering than that bear.

Don't believe me, look it up on youtube

By the way I am pro hunting and pro meat
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hmmm... great minds think alike :D
 
slippse2 said:
I went to a movie theatre and it was a really violent slash and shoot em up. (can't remember the name of the movie.) What I do remember is that after some guy killed at least twenty people he shot a dog. Nearly everyone in the theatre said "awww poor thing." It made me wonder how they could watch human beings being murdered with out batting an eye, they didn't even stop sipping their sodas or munching their popcorn yet they all fell apart because a dog died.
Made me wonder just how compassionate they really are. I also wonder how many have just been brainwashed by the anti hunters to join a cause because it is easier to be outraged by someone shooting an animal than it is to be outraged by a nation at war.
How many people who have protested against hunting have protested against the war. How many vegetarians have leather in their car seats or furniture or in their shoes or clothing.
How many animal rights activist have spent time trying to rescue gang bangers and meth heads from their circumstances.
It's easy to be outraged by something a minority of people do even if it a long standing part of their heritage.
It is something else to elevate the beasts of the field above the sanctity of human existance.
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I think the reason for the reaction you mention is because by nature most people are in one way or another bad. By this I mean we are all born innocent but through society we get tarnished, some more than others, we become selfish, sly, thoughtless etc...you get the idea !
Animals however don't inherit these traits.
Take a dog for example, you can give them the biggest telling off, leave the house and return 30 minutes later and you will be greeted by the fastest wagging tail on the planet ! They don't harbour any ill feelings !!!
This may be the reason that for 90% of the time I prefer the company of my dog to that of people.
Then again maybe that's because only she will put up with a crazy nature freak like me !!!!:D
 
How in the hell can someone have a real opinion on hunting when they don't even think bear is edible? :rolleyes:

As for the rest of youse peoples, Ted Nugent said it best, "Chicken McNuggets don't die any easier than baby fur seals."

I cannot tell you how many people I have encountered in every day life, most of them women, who think hunting, killing and eating white tail deer is a damned atrocity. Eating cows, pigs and chickens, on the other hand, is A-OKAY because they're ugly animals. Time and time again I have pressed people as to why they eat meat but hate hunters, hunting or guns. They're simply ignorant and/or emotional about it and as with most things governed by ignorance or emotion, it's almost pointless to discuss it with them.
 
FLIX said:
Pitdog, this is fun, but I fear this is destined for W&C. :) This is a wonderful collection of some of the most ridiculous statements regarding animals and humans ever uttered.



-- FLIX
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very eloquently stated.thank you for your stance.

ryan

P.S. i dont like to debate , i just like to listen to and converse with likeminded people.

Brian i propose a subforum. i say with a smirk.
 
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