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I think we are somewhat getting off target here. I suspect that what is sickening here is the attitiude THESE particular hunters display...I think I heard one of the hunters say the bear got a bullet up his ass! Now I don't think the majority of the people on this forum or on this thread are anti-hunter... it is the actions and attitudes in which THESE hunters posses that make it looked downed-upon by some--including me.

I am pro hunting and pro gun rights but I am not pro dip shit bring my gun out and shoot anything that moves--unfortunately there are more of these types out there than most people think!

30/30 Marlin is enough gun to take any North American animal!
 
Disrespecting life is a real human tragedy.
If we only killed for need the world would be a completely different place.
 
JERSEYTEX7 said:
;):D;):jerkit:Poor hunting skills-bad shots-unprofessional guide. Maybe the Canadians should stick to hockey pucks and leave the real shooting to us damn yankees!:D
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That was a guided hunt in one of North america's premiere bear hunting area's, most likely the hunters were American

Most Canadian hunters do not consider black bear a trophy species and wouldn't pay for a guided hunt.

But I know you were just joking

A good portion of black bear hunting done on Vancouver Island and the Queen Charlottes are done by driving along logging roads.
Bear baiting is illegal in BC, so for guided hunts driving along roads is a common practice.

Not my thing but it is done
 
The bear didn't care. Animals don't think the way we do. They face death in panicked flight or by fighting back. Only humans worry about a peaceful death. The hunters made themselves look bad, but they didn't care either.
 
jerseytex7, not a very informed thing to say here, sir. If you've ever spent any time in Canada, in particular the Western Provinces, you would know that a great number of our Canadian brethren are excellent shots, and excellent hunters. Like us, they have their fair share of nitwits who go out into the wilderness armed and stupid. Saying that they should leave the "shooting" to us is ridiculous!

Just my $0.02 worth, from this Texan who does know how to shoot.
Ron
 
Hey Flix,

I no longer get into these confrontational discussions (if possible :rolleyes: ) but I did want to address one thing in the interests of accuracy.
FLIX: "To the best of my knowledge, Einstein was neither a god, nor a Vegatarian (or Rastafarian, for that matter!)
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Now I don't know about a god or Rastafarian, but I do believe he was a vegetarian.

Cheers
Doc
 
DOC! Good to see you back here! Without your benign guidance look what we've devolved into!! :D Thanks for taking the time to read my graffiti on Pitdog's ALF Compendium.

Regarding the Al before Al, it appears you may be right. I did a google search of "einstein vegetarian" and came across this. They say it appears to have become a vegetarian in the last year of his life, and it appears he did so for what might be described as spiritual, not just dietary readons. That tend's to make his sentence make more sense - But he's still wrong!! :p :p

-- FLIX
 
Thats just the way it goes. They were legal. Its always nice to kill quick with one shot, but it doesn`t always happen. I`m not a fan of "trophy" hunting, I believe you should eat what you kill, but that just my opinion.
 
Bears are delicous.With some luck I will feed my family many more,not cause I have to cause I can.Along with deer,moose,ducks,rabbits...
Animals are not people.Animals are food.Always have been and always will be.
 
You know what's great for cooking is bear lard.

Man, you know you grew up in Western Canada when...

I don't like watching anything suffer but unless a person is a vegan I'm not remotely interested in their moral position on hunting. And if they are a vegan they are probably suffering such severe malnutrition that they won't make sense anyway!


What I do find mildly amusing is that the same people who freak out over this sort of thing also tend to freak out when people talk about wolf culls...man, if you ever want to see something die a slow horrible death, you spend some time in the bush where there are wolves. Nature is absolutely pitiless and predator species will absolutely not hesitate to start chewing and swallowing some of your soft, tender organs while you are still making use of the others!

I would prefer that everything out there that has to die gets shut off in an instant and never sees it coming, but unfortunately the world is much, much more cruel than me, or these hunters for that matter. I would prefer to see better shooting, but sometimes things just surprise you. Anyone who says different has not been spending their time in the bush!
 
Good post, Misanth. Pulls together the whole picture very succinctly and realistically.
 
Misanthropist amde a great post.
Indeed, nature is far more cruel than anything these guys did.

First, we don't KNOW the first shots were bad. Animals, especialyl tough ones like bears take take one through the boiler room and go on quite a while. That's a fact.

As for shooting down the road, well look at the foliage on either side, won't get much of a shot at something moving through that. Second, this is probably a private hunting gig. I don't know about up there, but here, if you're on private land, you can shoot down a PRIVATE road. The only restriction is you can't fire over or down a paved, public road, or within 150 feet of one. If it's a private hunt, the guides usually make sure thiers is the only party in the area, and keep regular communications with any other guides working that day. I have no problem with this road shoot.

The only thing I have a problem with is when one of the guys starts "shot him right up the ass". Joking about knowingly making a bad shot.

Other than that, this was a good shoot, and the bear did die a fairly quick death.
 
Cpl Punishment said:
Misanthropist amde a great post.
Indeed, nature is far more cruel than anything these guys did.

First, we don't KNOW the first shots were bad. Animals, especialyl tough ones like bears take take one through the boiler room and go on quite a while. That's a fact.

As for shooting down the road, well look at the foliage on either side, won't get much of a shot at something moving through that. Second, this is probably a private hunting gig. I don't know about up there, but here, if you're on private land, you can shoot down a PRIVATE road. The only restriction is you can't fire over or down a paved, public road, or within 150 feet of one. If it's a private hunt, the guides usually make sure thiers is the only party in the area, and keep regular communications with any other guides working that day. I have no problem with this road shoot.

The only thing I have a problem with is when one of the guys starts "shot him right up the ass". Joking about knowingly making a bad shot.

Other than that, this was a good shoot, and the bear did die a fairly quick death.
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Most hunting in BC is done on public land (thankfully), and that area of BC has losts of wide open spaces.
If you want to see an agonizing death, once while out hiking (camping way in the bush) I came across two coyotes in the process of killing a fawn. The fawn was still alive and one of the coyotes had it's intestines pulled out about 5 or 6 feet and was starting to eat it.
Wish I had a gun on me as there would be two dead yotes and a fawn put out of it's misery.

Nature is cruel and all we can do as hunters is to do our best to kill our prey as quickly and humanely as possible.

Once again I do wonder why a video taken in 2004 by the guides cook suddenly now shows up on youtube, at a time when the local band up there is fighting over the guiding issue. I would guess that this was the absolute worst video that the cook could come up with in order to hurt his former (?) employer
 
coyotebc said:
Once again I do wonder why a video taken in 2004 by the guides cook suddenly now shows up on youtube, at a time when the local band up there is fighting over the guiding issue. I would guess that this was the absolute worst video that the cook could come up with in order to hurt his former (?) employer
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Probably working undercover for at least that 4 years, looking for a scene he could use negatively.
 
misanthropist said:
I would prefer that everything out there that has to die gets shut off in an instant and never sees it coming, ...
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I read a similar concept as a disadvantage in a science fiction story, where an intelligent alien race came to realize how much more advanced they would have been, had they not been so fragile - any injury could kill them.

Animals surviving some really serious damage allows them to break away, heal up, and go on with life. This is not unusual, but it does mean that when taken down by a successful hunter, that same animal will keep on living and in pain that little bit longer, even when survival is no longer possible.
 
Some people should think a bit before they post video or pictures on the web. The majority of americans do not hunt (~ 90% of americans), and most of them do not have a negative opinion of hunting (~ 10% of americans are against hunting). However, this is a black eye for those of us that do (the ~ 10% of the american population that hunts). We have a "right" to hunt only because 80% of the population (all of whom claim not to be hunters) allow it. If we alienate this group, then it is over. Think about the pictures that you take. It may be more than hunters that see them. Be respectful of the game that you harvest. Think hard about the video that you take. It is as likely as not that these redneck yahoos are doctors and lawyers and captains of industry. Hunting is an emmensly enjoyable passtime that not only provides meat for the table but connects us to the earth in a way that pushing a cart through the grocery store can never replace. And it can all be taken away if we let our image slip, even a bit.

Sorry to get preachy, living in CT and now CA, this is a topic that gets me going.

The numbers are from a recent Field and Stream article, the date of which I have forgotten.
 
hlee said:
Some people should think a bit before they post video or pictures on the web. The majority of americans do not hunt (~ 90% of americans), and most of them do not have a negative opinion of hunting (~ 10% of americans are against hunting). However, this is a black eye for those of us that do (the ~ 10% of the american population that hunts). We have a "right" to hunt only because 80% of the population (all of whom claim not to be hunters) allow it. If we alienate this group, then it is over. Think about the pictures that you take. It may be more than hunters that see them. Be respectful of the game that you harvest. Think hard about the video that you take. It is as likely as not that these redneck yahoos are doctors and lawyers and captains of industry. Hunting is an emmensly enjoyable passtime that not only provides meat for the table but connects us to the earth in a way that pushing a cart through the grocery store can never replace. And it can all be taken away if we let our image slip, even a bit.

Sorry to get preachy, living in CT and now CA, this is a topic that gets me going.

The numbers are from a recent Field and Stream article, the date of which I have forgotten.
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hlee,

I think you may have missed it, but the video was shot by the guide's cook, who released in presicely to do damage to hunting.

-- FLIX
 
FLIX said:
hlee,

I think you may have missed it, but the video was shot by the guide's cook, who released in presicely to do damage to hunting.

-- FLIX
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FLIX, I'm surprised the hunter saboteurs haven't picked up on this and flouted it to the masses.
 
Although tis video was released as an attack on hunting, too many pictures are shot with the hunter straddling the animal, or with it in the back of the truck, or in a bloody heap, or with its guts half hangin out, or in a heap with a rope tied to one of its legs, and any/all combinations of the above. I know that I have taken pictures that I am not proud of. I'm still working on that, and having a camera with me at all times in the field has drastically improved my hunting photos. Think about your huntng album. Is there anything in it that would be potentially damaging (or just mildly embarassing) if it fell into the hands of PETA?

Videos are even worse. The news agencies would have a field day if they walked into any Gander Mountain, Bass Pro Shops, Dick's Sporting Goods, or Cabela's and bought a few hunting videos. This youtube video is not any worse than any of those. You know the ones... "200 minutes 500 impact shots." If you have ever seen the advetisment video for Gobbler guillotine broadheads, this video would look pretty tame by comparison. They'd call for the jailing of every hunter if they got their hands on varmint hunting videos (prairie dogs shoots come to mind). Yeah the guy took 5 shots, but it looked like they (the group) took measures to dispatch the animal quickly once they realized that it was still alive. The whole video was only 1.5 minutes, and almost 1/2 was them standing over the bear once it was dead.

Animals don't die instantly, any bowhunter knows this. I've had to sit and watch more than one animal take its last breath (it can take more than a few minutes), and this is with deer that are shot through both lungs.

My dad once shot a doe whitetailed deer with a .270win. She ran after the shot. While tracking her, we found one of her lungs. Not some of it, not a little piece of it, but like the whole thing fell out of the animal. That is the only deer that I can remember that ran far and fast enough after the shot that we were unable to find her. That is not something that I would want on video, but stuff happens. Wild animals have a lot of will to live in them. Like Esav said, will to live once all hope to live is gone. "Dead run" has a meaning to hunters that non-hunters cannot imagine.

I would suggest that any meat eater that is appalled by the video in question, or by anything that I have written here, should spend some time at their local slaughter house. Death is not surgical and it is messy (sometimes more than others). We take measures to minimize pain and suffering, but they will always be part of the equation.

My point still stands that we hunters must safeguard our image- lest those that alllow us (through their silence) to hunt, become vocal in their opposition.
 
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