PachaasPaisaa=Liar at best (banned), Anand Moses amose001@ucr.edu,amoses007@gmail.com

[PachaasPaisaa]

Like a freaking soap opera!!!!

So, is there evidence that PP actually sent an empty envelope with the purpose to deprive the OP permanently thereof? Is there evidence he sent an empty mailer for the sole purpose of committing fraud or is this a case of he said, she said?
From reading this soap opera it looks like PP is saying he did mail a knife and now will refund the "victim" and get his money back thru the insurance and the OP claims it's a case of Fraud.
And now the USPS plan to prosecute this guy because they investigate all cases of alleged mail fraud and prosecute???????

I can't wait to see all this LE activity, major investigations with Inspectors traveling all over the place. Then do what, teach the guy a lesson by throwing him in Federal Prison or get you your money?
If the USPS pursues this case knowing the "suspect" has been trying to refund the money it is clear they have no idea how to pick their cases.
There are several more incidents here on BFC taken to the Postal Inspectors who have done nothing, and these "suspects" do not plan to ever refund one red cent!!

But sometimes in LE it is "who you know" as to what level of response one gets, but after refund???

AND so are the "Days of our knives".........................

umm im not entirely too sure WHERE its been said that I am being prosecuted...being that I have not done anything wrong. Its not possible to prosecute someone, if they have done no wrong. I dont even have a parking ticket to my name. In the past 3 months, I've sent out about 15 packages containing either Knives, Flashlights, or other cool, and expensive, gizmos. I pay for all of these shipping charges on the same credit card. If the USPS needs to see my track record with sending successfully delivered packages, they can look up my information.

i think its pretty ridiculous that i should be threatened with fraud when i have done no such thing

I sent the knife, in the box, in the envelope, the DAY AFTER payment. I sent another one just like it to a buyer in NYC and it arrived safely, intact and he was satisfied with it. I just sent a sebenza and 300 dollars in money order format and it also reached there safely.

I have NEVER filed a claim with the USPS for missing products or mail in order to get money of of them, because I would be better off working at McDonalds for 6 weeks and making the money that way, rather than sitting at home, twiddling my thumbs for a check.

 

[dttomcat]

PP, why have you deleted most of your posts here?

 

[EMT_Lee]

Its not possible to prosecute someone, if they have done no wrong.

That's completely untrue.

 

[LorenzoL]

How could it be a case of Mail Insurance fraud, if he was/is going to refund the money then collect from the Insurance claim...woulden't it just even out?with no money gained or lost by PP.

Fraud against the USPS, they are the ones forking the insurance money. Although I doubt insurance would work in this situation because they will claim it is unsafe to ship a knife in an envelope (those cannot contain hard objects).

 

[Rob_Angerer]

"After talking with the Postal Inspector we both felt this was important to rectify".................................doesn't a refund rectify this????????
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Not entirely. He already told me he sent a money order for a refund about 2 weeks ago.

I emailed him several times during that 8 day waiting period for the MO to show up. He never indicated he hadn't send the MO. (so he never came clean, just waited me out). Then, after 8 days elapsed, I finally confronted him that it hadn't showed up, and that I figured he already knew that... he finally admitted he hadn't sent it... he just said he decided not to send it, trying to play me for the fool, and dumping responsibility on ME to get my money from Postal Inspectors. I'm not going to be played the fool. Period. And I don't give a damn what you think of the soap opera that PP's gen'd up here.


[/B]Now he says he wants to pay me in two installments. Oh, and now one. But has he sent them? Nope. He could EASILY send them via certified mail if he chose to. What he REALLY wants is the evidence, the envelope, to cover his tracks at the local self-service postal kiosk. Not so fast, insurance-claim-boy. I hope he's on video tape at that kiosk... that's all I'll say now.

I told Moses early on I don't screw around with such behavior. At this point, I'll work this one to completion MY way, through the postal inspectors, and I suspect that Moses will have to cough up the $260 through them, and enjoy the investigation process as his take-away learning.

With the VERY remote possibility that I don't get $260 back from this (and you don't have all the information / evidence here in the forums), I will get my money's worth out of this for his attempt to string this out, play me the fool, and whine to the masses here at BF about the process. I don't think so. I doubt he'll deal with ANY future knife forum member in such a shady way in the future.

 

[Rob_Angerer]

Ah, and now PP is covering his tracks. I'm gonna capture as many as he left lying around in quotes. Next move=> change username on BF or just go buy/sell on another forum for a while.

^^^^^

if you look at that last thread you would see that i made a mistake on MY part and rectified the situation accordingly.

furthermore, ive dealt with numerous members on here with NO problems in shipping, receiving or liking the knife/knives I have sent.

that is all i will say on this matter.

dude how does this possibly matter to you, it was my mistake and i paid for it by sending by buyer a brand new one within 24 hours!!

did i do anything wrong? NO.

so now based on the fact that i received a money order for another knife and can refund the money this is what i get back from mr. angerer --

Yaknow what, I'm keeping my appointment w/ the Postal Inspector. I think you should keep your money, as you obviously need it for various things in your life. Like, say, car repairs.

I'm going to file the insurance claim and get the money that way. I mean, the knife is apparently stolen, and you don't have the knife to ship to me, so we oughta just let the USPS sort this one out, figure out who at the Riverside CA Post Office is stealing knives from packages like yours. That's not right. Someone there in Riverside needs to have their hand slapped, and the inspectors are the right guys internally to the USPS to do that. The USPS shouldn't allow crooked people access to the self service kiosks at their sites. And if they don't have cameras, well, they should. Maybe someone there has an inside track to valuable packages... a good sense of what to open and steal, and then retape and send onward.

You shouldn't have to foot the bill for this, and in fact, I feel like the USPS oughta straighten out their mail handlers since this package, and another one like it you sent, obviously didn't make it out of the local Post Office.

So don't sweat it... I've had a change of heart. I think you are a college student, down on his luck from a car wreck, and you just happened to fall victim to another theft there at Riverside CA Post Office. And that isn't right. I think Chuck Kelley and his comrades should get this straight out there in sunny SoCal.

So don't send any money or money orders. Those could also get stolen from the same thieves there at Riverside. Not worth the risk, since you closed your paypal account. I'll handle this one on my end, and keep you posted starting next Monday.

So over and out from here. Will make contact with you again on Monday evening. Enjoy your nice weather out there, and don't let the Santa Anna winds blow anything away.

Regards,
Rob

now i can officially say he may do what he wishes, because i've done what i can from my end

i mean, honestly i dont know what to tell you

everyone on here has told me to refund all 260.00 dollars and to get my packaging back because the rules here say that the seller has to go through the hassle if the need may arise...a fact i did not know until it was brought to my attention.

i was able to come up with all 260.00 instead of just the 190.00 as i mentioned earlier, and now he refuses my refund...honestly that either tells me he has my knife, or just wants to screw with me

i dont know anyone who would refuse a refund. I offered it once on a public forum and via private email and have had it refused, so there is no more i can do.

i took the advice of the people in this thread and im doing my best to make MY wrongs with this transaction right, but even that doesnt seem to be working out.

like i have said earlier, i offered a refund and im still willing to honor this agreement for at least 12 hours from the time of my post...but from what im seeing, he doesnt really want to work with me no matter what i do.

right and like i said ive taken the proper steps to try to refund his money with a firm 'no thank you' on his end

i had been tracking his package and it went from california, to ohio, to texas....yet no one, other than me, seems to think this is weird at all. This was after i sent it 2 day priority.

what else am i supposed to do? I've offered to refund his money but he said no, so like i said above, im giving it 12 hours and then that money is earmarked for something else because i have been freed from any obligation i once had to pay my buyer back because he's saying no!

thats fine by me


anyways, its past 10:14am PST which means my obligation to send Rob the 260.00 is over

keep in mind that if i had been trying to scam anyone, i wouldnt have

A) even involved myself in this thread at all, laid low and never gone on BF again
B) ignored every last one of the 50 or so emails that we sent back and forth, not ONE of them having more than 2 hours response time in between
C) gone out of my way to cash a money order and bum 70 bucks from my boss to help pay the man back
D) not sent it from my HOME address, not some random ass PO box
E) given him my personal cell phone number to communicate with me if necessary

i was under the impression that it doesnt matter who files the claim at the USPS, either him or me - i was WRONG and now that i have that knowledge i am making the best of it.

Like i said, i took the advice of the people here and offered to refund it and i get a 'no'...well then i cant do anything about that

and yes, here is the tracking number on the orginal package do you guys can see that from california, it went to ohio, was sitting in texas for two days, then ... well honestly it doesnt say its delivered on the status, so i dont even know if it actually was

0310 0480 0002 2905 7096

its amazing how many people have called me a scumbag when i have owned up to my mistake of lying to a customer, offered to refund 100% of the money and im still the douchebag - i understand what i did was wrong and inappropriate, but even after the fact - Mr Angerer emailed me regarding the issue and I still respond via email! Do you think anyone who was trying to scam someone would do?

i have every last one of the 56 emails sent between us...so if anyone doubts it and wants to read ALL 56 of them forwarded i would be more than happy to send them to you.

now that i look at the status...it doesnt even say delivered!!! how is that mr angerer has my envelope when it was never delivered to him!?!? Every other package i have sent says 'delivered' once it has been...i just sent over 2k worth of custom emersons in the mail and it went from california to alabama within 48 hours and we DELIVERED and marked as such on the tracking information.

furthermore, the amount of times ive been threatened with being convicted of mail fraud, postal fraud, insurance fraud, and a whole other gamut of crimes is ridiculous. Unless you are A) a federal law enforcement agent that deals with this or B) a postal inspector, i dont think any of you should pass judgement on me. I dont even have so much as a parking ticket to my name, the last thing i'm going to try to do is commit felonious crimes over 260.00. I have a job, i'm not on drugs or dependent on any substances, and i have no kids to feed, so trust me - its not worth my time or money to scam someone for that amount, or any at all. I had a hard time coming up with the full 260.00 because i'm still paying my body shop for my front end damage, and now i have to pay for the rear end. If anyone wants pictures, ill be more than happy to send them to you.

I've been buying and selling custom knives for the past 5 years, and not ONE of these customs, valued MUCH higher than a spyderco military has gone missing. I've had 100's of dollars deposited into my once existent paypal account as 'gift' - something i could have cashed and ran, but never have. I have been in CONSTANT communication with my buyer, trying to figure out wtf to do. At first I didnt have the whole 260.00 so i offered what i had - unagreeable. Then i bum the rest and offer to send it - unagreeable. Everyone calls me a douchebag but NO ONE seems to notice that when this happened BEFORE - I SENT MY BUYER A BRAND NEW $600 KNIFE WITHIN 24 HOURS....because it was MY FAULT that the knife was not shipped with insurance. I didnt make my buyer wait around twiddling their thumbs wondering if they would get a refund, i did it straight up, in a timely manner. I have NO RECORD of scamming ANYONE...whether it be here, jerzeedevil, or even when i had an account at USN. The only thing that I was guilty of (and i admit this) was being too hasty to buy something and then realizing i didnt have the appropriate funds to back it up. I have not once, EVER, scammed anyone.

just for the record i tried that too here is the insurance number as based on my receipt which is still in my posession

7396 5426 3640 4200 1000

once again, I offered a refund, it was refused. Instead of immediately rescinding the offer i let it stand for 12 hours, still nothing...

"Yaknow what, I'm keeping my appointment w/ the Postal Inspector. I think you should keep your money, as you obviously need it for various things in your life. Like, say, car repairs..."

the above tells me that he is refusing my refund, am i the only one that sees this as clear as day? The above is copy pasted from an email sent directly to me from his email address...

that is the tracking number on my shipping receipt - as per the insurance form

the other tracking number (on the tracking slip) i also presented to the forum, and that was the one that showed it went to ohio, and then to TX.

i've shipped countless numbers of packages in that exact same type of envelope and have had them reach safe and undamaged. Custom munroes, emersons, hinderers...the whole gamut.

how are you assuming i'm lying? if i was lying, do you think i would email you AND post on the forum that im trying to give you a refund

would i let that offer stand for 12 hours if i wasnt going to give you your money back?

":jerk it:

....very mature.

umm im not entirely too sure WHERE its been said that I am being prosecuted...being that I have not done anything wrong. Its not possible to prosecute someone, if they have done no wrong. I dont even have a parking ticket to my name. In the past 3 months, I've sent out about 15 packages containing either Knives, Flashlights, or other cool, and expensive, gizmos. I pay for all of these shipping charges on the same credit card. If the USPS needs to see my track record with sending successfully delivered packages, they can look up my information.

i think its pretty ridiculous that i should be threatened with fraud when i have done no such thing

I sent the knife, in the box, in the envelope, the DAY AFTER payment. I sent another one just like it to a buyer in NYC and it arrived safely, intact and he was satisfied with it. I just sent a sebenza and 300 dollars in money order format and it also reached there safely.

I have NEVER filed a claim with the USPS for missing products or mail in order to get money of of them, because I would be better off working at McDonalds for 6 weeks and making the money that way, rather than sitting at home, twiddling my thumbs for a check.

 

[Rob_Angerer]

From dealings I have had with the Post Office Rob just really reduced his chances of getting any money back.You will most likely go in for your meeting,tell them all about it,fill out a form and never here anything again.
That is what happened to me the one time someone tried to rip me off on a deal.I did end up getting my end of the deal back but it was work on my part that got the guy to do the right thing.

If I thought that I wouldn't get my money back through postal inspectors, then you are right, I shoulda grabbed the offer, HOPED that Moses sent the money, and walked away. "Hope" isn't a strategy, however.

And after my discussion w/ the local postal inspector, I feel pretty confident that this particular inspector takes this kinda stuff seriously and will follow through.

 

[Rob_Angerer]

double tap

 

[44Magpie]

Epic thread!

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

Not entirely. He already told me he sent a money order for a refund about 2 weeks ago.

I emailed him several times during that 8 day waiting period for the MO to show up. He never indicated he hadn't send the MO. (so he never came clean, just waited me out). Then, after 8 days elapsed, I finally confronted him that it hadn't showed up, and that I figured he already knew that... he finally admitted he hadn't sent it... he just said he decided not to send it, trying to play me for the fool, and dumping responsibility on ME to get my money from Postal Inspectors. I'm not going to be played the fool. Period. And I don't give a damn what you think of the soap opera that PP's gen'd up here.


Now he says he wants to pay me in two installments. Oh, and now one. But has he sent them? Nope. He could EASILY send them via certified mail if he chose to. What he REALLY wants is the evidence, the envelope, to cover his tracks at the local self-service postal kiosk. Not so fast, insurance-claim-boy. I hope he's on video tape at that kiosk... that's all I'll say now.
[/B]
I told Moses early on I don't screw around with such behavior. At this point, I'll work this one to completion MY way, through the postal inspectors, and I suspect that Moses will have to cough up the $260 through them, and enjoy the investigation process as his take-away learning.

With the VERY remote possibility that I don't get $260 back from this (and you don't have all the information / evidence here in the forums), I will get my money's worth out of this for his attempt to string this out, play me the fool, and whine to the masses here at BF about the process. I don't think so. I doubt he'll deal with ANY future knife forum member in such a shady way in the future.

actually i dont really give a shit one way or another if you keep the packaging. I didnt commit fraud and wasnt planning on it. i also hope i'm on video at that kiosk because its going to make YOU look like a fool.

 

[Rob_Angerer]

actually i dont really give a shit one way or another if you keep the packaging. I didnt commit fraud and wasnt planning on it. i also hope i'm on video at that kiosk because its going to make YOU look like a fool.

Could be, but you aren't trustworthy, based on your various responses (many not documented here in this thread)... and if your hands are clean, it'll point a finger at someone in Riverside Post Office that is causing you some problems... more than once, with shipped knives. And maybe you'll stop using small envelopes for knives. And use boxes. And honor your commitments properly and promptly. Or not.

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

Could be, but you aren't trustworthy, based on your various responses (many not documented here in this thread)... and if your hands are clean, it'll point a finger at someone in Riverside Post Office that is causing you some problems... more than once, with shipped knives. And maybe you'll stop using small envelopes for knives. And use boxes. And honor your commitments properly and promptly. Or not.

that's well and good

 

[dttomcat]

PP, why have you deleted most of your posts here?

Ummm ... , PP?

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

posts were deleted because every time you google my name this is what comes up. and as of now, im pretty sure everyone who has read this thread knows whats up

i have said what i need to say, have the proof that what i did was legit entirely and have the emails sent between my buyer and myself, along with the relevant receipts etc.

i have also contacted my postal inspector over here to get my side of the story clear, using emails and shipping records as proof to my doings.

that is all i need.

clearly my buyer has some personal vendetta against me - only a fool would not take a refund, instead he thinks that im paying him off to get my packaging back and decides to call me "insurance claim boy" - once again, very mature - because i have done this over and over and over again (sarcasm)

im glad my angerer took screenshots of my posts, because that way, its recorded what i said. I have no intention of changing my handle or anything of the sorts. I will still be here as pachaaspaisaa.

 

[braillediver]

every time you google my name this is what comes up.

Mail Fraud- Felony eh? Plus the Postal Inspector will check for previous claims.

So is the weight of the package imbedded in the Bar Code?

 

[moshow9]

Just my two cents but if there is nothing to hide then there is no reason to delete anything. Also, I find it strange that you closed out your paypal account following this transaction. There may be valid reasons, but it is also a strange coincidence.

 

[wolfmann601]

Drama, I love it!!!

With my very limited experience with Law Enforcement and Postal Inspsectors; I have yet met one who knew going in to an investigation that the "victim" wants the refund money to go through them and for them to teach the "suspect" a lesson.............WITH the case as follows (what else is missing in a nutshell?):
Suspect says he sent knife via USPS
Victim gets empty envelope
Suspect never once admits the envelope was empty, to the contrary claims the knife was in fact mailed
suspect demands victim apply for insurance, victim claims suspect lied
Still no concrete evidence suspect mailed empty envelope to defraud victim or USPS
Postal Inspectors, who regularily turn deaf ears on mail fraud cases involving thousands of dollars WILL investigate this one to the satisfaction of the victim (this one is hard to fathom, sorry)

 

[alex]

I am sure that the Postal Inspectors will be thrilled to find out in their investigation that Mr. Angerer refused a full refund from his accused scammer. They must not be very busy in that particular Post Office region to even take on such an investigation, regardless of what they said they would do to Mr. Angerer.

Refusing a full refund when offered is just dumb and pursuing things beyond that point in spite of the refund offer is just out of spite and vindictive arrogance.

My advice to P Paissa is to buy a postal money order for the full $260 refund and send it immediately to Mr. Angerer via Registered email and see if he refuses delivery. If he refuses delivery the envelope should come back to you marked that way and keep it as evidence. Keep the uncashed postal money order if delivery is refused for at least 30 days before you take it back to the Post office to get your money back. If he accepts delivery then your deal with him is concluded.

You should be able to file a claim for the insured knife if as you said the tracking info did not show delivery and you still have the Postal shipping receipt. Make damn sure before you file that insurance claim with the USPS that you did indeed ship that knife. If you did then you have absolutely nothing to fear from the Postal Inspectors or from filing the claim. Getting paid after filing, well good luck on that. Next time use a sturdy box for all shipping.

Edit: After posting this I feel like I stepped on a fresh pile of dog shiite and can't quite get the smell completely off my shoe.

 

[wolfmann601]

If Rob_Ang has evidence that PP needs to file an Insurance claim and refuses to provide it shouldn't the Postal Inspectors be just overjoyed by all this??

I "lost" a $3500 item (insured) and it was a clear case of Mail fraud. I could not even get a Postal inspector to show any interest but he was kind enough to talk to me for a whole 5 minutes.
Time must surely have changed.................

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

i closed my paypal account because i didnt need it anymore. its that simple.

there are no terms or conditions anywhere on here, or on paypal saying that i cant close my account at any time i want, out of my own free will.

i just got sick of dealing with paypal and its bullshit, im sure 99% of the people on here can relate to that.