PachaasPaisaa=Liar at best (banned), Anand Moses amose001@ucr.edu,amoses007@gmail.com

[Rob_Angerer]

It would also be a relatively simple matter to weigh the envelope and the knife on the scale, print out the label, put it on the envelope, and drop the empty envelope down the chute. A self service kiosk is ripe for foul play. The two things that set of my BS alarms were:

1. The first was that in 8 years of buying, selling, and trading, I'd never had anyone scan copies of the receipt and the delivery confirmation form up front. That is just way overcompensating... and, up front, he says "he fears sticky fingers"...

2. When I emailed him, he IMMEDIATELY snapped to the idea that the receipt showed it weighted 6oz IMMEDIATELY. Here are the contents of the two emails early in the barrage:

After I sent Paypal, I get this email:

Anand's email to Rob:
I received your paypal payment. I will be shipping via USPS with delivery confirmation, insurance and shipping. If these are any special steps you would like me to take, please let me know.

I will have it sent out to you tomorrow, and I will update you with updated tracking, shipping etc. For the sake of the transaction, I ALWAYS scan and email the buyer a copy of the 1) shipping receipt and 2) tracking slip

just so we are both protected. I have been fearful that someone in the local post office might have sticky fingers so i have made sure to document all shipping just so we are both safe, and that the transaction is secure and honest.

Anyways, i'll update you no later than 5PM PST with the pertinent info.

I would request that after you get your knife, and our transaction is finished that you could leave me some positive feedback in the forums.

Then I get an email with this scanned pic:

Recepit by rdangerer, on Flickr

Time lapses, I receive perfectly flat envelope, taped closed with clear tape on the open end.

Rob's email to Anand:
I received your envelope that you shipped. It did not contain anything, i.e. there was no Spyderco Military S90V inside. The envelope was perfectly flat, i.e. the knife didn't make it out of your city in this envelope.

I don't screw around with this kind of stuff. I filed a claim in paypal and am headed to the USPS to file a claim with the US Postal Inspectors.

Rob

Anand's email to Rob
Hey Rob,

I just got your email. When you say the envelope was flat, can you give me a description of how you received it - i.e the packing method. I just seal using the ready post, nothing else, so it should be sealed when you get it. I also emailed you the receipt with the shipping info and it clearly says that the shipped weight was 6._ ounces, that means it most definitely left MY post office with something in it. The reason why i am asking is because i recently had a strider SMF also stolen out of the mail, but the recepient followed the proper channels via USPS and got his money back.

If there is anything I can do to help you, please let me know. I too do not screw around when it comes to my customers.

Only later did I find out he'd closed his Paypal account after receiving my funds. Pretty smelly.

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

Not necessarily.

PP mailed out both knives at the same time from an automated kiosk.
It's possible he used the same package to weigh both tickets. I would be interested in seeing the weight on the the 2nd knife he shipped. Even though the knives weigh the same, the packing materials would have to vary slightly.

ok, i'll scan that and post it up. That was going to p40_warhawk

upstate new york...i'll have it scanned and posted up within an hour.

its pretty sad how everyone thinks that i would really go through this much hassle to scam someone out of 260.00

like i have said earlier in this thread, i have done everything legitimately and have the paperwork to prove it.

and in the above quoted email...what else was it that i should have said? If i had been silent you think im scamming you, if i try to say i will help, im scamming you. Its funny but you never put up the email where you stereotype my race based on my name - or the one where outright accuse me of defrauding you. Give me a break. Like i said, i'll have the other receipt posted up later. p40_warhawk specifcally requested that the knife be shipped in a bubble enevelope that was placed in a box and i did just that.

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

It would also be a relatively simple matter to weigh the envelope and the knife on the scale, print out the label, put it on the envelope, and drop the empty envelope down the chute. A self service kiosk is ripe for foul play. The thing that set off alarms in my head is that PP snapped to the idea that it left at 6oz IMMEDIATELY. Here are the contents of the two emails early in the barrage:

and if a self service center is "ripe with foul play"

they would not have them in use at damn near EVERY post office i have been to. do you have any idea how long post office lines are almost everywhere, why would you NOT use the self shipping method

 

[Rob_Angerer]

Snapshot:

ok, i'll scan that and post it up. That was going to p40_warhawk

upstate new york...i'll have it scanned and posted up within an hour.

its pretty sad how everyone thinks that i would really go through this much hassle to scam someone out of 260.00

like i have said earlier in this thread, i have done everything legitimately and have the paperwork to prove it.

and in the above quoted email...what else was it that i should have said? If i had been silent you think im scamming you, if i try to say i will help, im scamming you

 

[Rob_Angerer]

Snapshot:

and if a self service center is "ripe with foul play"

they would not have them in use at damn near EVERY post office i have been to. do you have any idea how long post office lines are almost everywhere, why would you NOT use the self shipping method

I didn't say the self service center is "ripe with foul play".

I said the "A self service kiosk is ripe for foul play." There is a difference in the semantics. It's not that there is a huge amount of foul play on the self service machine, just that it's "ripe" and provides an easier way for a scammer. A scammer can manipulate the self service machine, but not so much at the counter where the clerk weighs the package and it's out of the sender's hands generally... certainly not so easy to pull the knife at that stage.

 

[xtonesterx]

It would also be a relatively simple matter to weigh the envelope and the knife on the scale, print out the label, put it on the envelope, and drop the empty envelope down the chute. A self service kiosk is ripe for foul play. The two things that set of my BS alarms were:

1. The first was that in 8 years of buying, selling, and trading, I'd never had anyone scan copies of the receipt and the delivery confirmation form up front. That is just way overcompensating... and, up front, he says "he fears sticky fingers"...

2. When I emailed him, he IMMEDIATELY snapped to the idea that the receipt showed it weighted 6oz IMMEDIATELY. Here are the contents of the two emails early in the barrage:

After I sent Paypal, I get this email:



Then I get an email with this scanned pic:


Time lapses, I receive perfectly flat envelope, taped closed with clear tape on the open end.





Only later did I find out he'd closed his Paypal account after receiving my funds. Pretty smelly.

dude, he mentions the 6 ounces after you accused him of shipping the envelope without a knife in it. whats so strange about that?

 

[braillediver]

why would you NOT use the self shipping method

Thank You For Asking- If you handed an empty envelope to the Postal Clerk and wanted to insure the knife for $260 they might notice the envelope is empty.

Personally I use Signature Confirmation for anything Insured above $200. And I take it to the Post Office to hand deliver to the Postal Clerk. It’s an extra step to ensure it will arrive safely.

I believe Click’n Ship (the online Postal Shipping Tool) won’t allow Insuring an item above $200 and tells you to bring it in in person.


This is cool- if he has a history of insurance claims against the Post Office they’ll be interested in knowing about it and can do a proper investigation. We’re aware of at least 2 claims of theft / lost items right now.

 

[Rob_Angerer]

dude, he mentions the 6 ounces after you accused him of shipping the envelope without a knife in it. whats so strange about that?

Read the content of his email PRIOR to shipping... he alludes that he's fearful of someone with sticky fingers at post office.

If someone told me the envelope arrived empty, I sure wouldn't be looking at my receipt for the weight as "evidence". I'd be pretty pissed, and concerned about making it right with the customer, and not focused on assuring my customer that it had happened before, but not to worry, you the customer can file the claim and get your money... good luck to you.

If you don't smell the rat, you and I have a different set of BS filters I suppose. Go back and follow the sequence of events in my post #141.

 

[wolfmann601]

My Lord, PP would go through all this crap to pocket $260 and destroy his reputation?????

We are back to speculation, accusations, etc. You say he weighed an empty envelope at 6 plus ounces then PROVE IT

If you cannot PROVE it then you are talking shiit and should stfu until the mail Police finish their investigation!!!

 

[Rob_Angerer]

Look gang... I wasn't looking to try this case on the forum. I posted originally in GB&U to warn others that there was the smell of a fishy deal with Anand Moses, aka PaachPaisaa. A warning to other potential buyers/sellers/traders. Money sent, empty ENVELOPE received, a bald-faced LIE about sending the refund, and seller dumping responsibility of insurance claim on buyer, smelly circumstances.

A warning was my intent, and I got sucked into all this cr@p.

I will sort this out with a very interested Postal Inspector.

Anand was pretty quick to dodge sending me my $260 back. His "deal" was $160 up front, then I send him the envelope, and THEN he'd send me $100. From a guy who lied to me about sending me the money in the first place? I don't think so... I won't be played the fool and patsy.

Then he pleads his case here in this thread.

Remember... Anand had car damage from a drunken driver and needed money to repair his car. THAT was his stated motive for selling some knives.

And you are right... I'm done here. Good luck to all of you looking to buy/sell/trade with Anand Moses. You've been warned. Would you do a trade or send money to Anand Moses knowing what you now know?

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

everyone satisfied? and by the way - im not pleading shit here. I have the proof and track record to back the up fact that my transactions are legit.

this is the second of 3 that i sold, two of which were sent on the same day, the other was returned to me. It has now been sold to a friend locally.

anyone want to see pictures of my fucked up car? i still havent replaced the rear bumper where i got hit! want me to post a video of me and my friend singing a streisand duet with the military as a microphone? want me to post a copy of my bill at the chiropractor for my fucked up back? :barf:

 

[wolfmann601]

Read the content of his email PRIOR to shipping... he alludes that he's fearful of someone with sticky fingers at post office.

If someone told me the envelope arrived empty, I sure wouldn't be looking at my receipt for the weight as "evidence". I'd be pretty pissed, and concerned about making it right with the customer, and not focused on assuring my customer that it had happened before, but not to worry, you the customer can file the claim and get your money... good luck to you.

If you don't smell the rat, you and I have a different set of BS filters I suppose. Go back and follow the sequence of events in my post #141.

I mention that in every deal I engage in when the USPS is used. When/if the item gets lifted I would find it amazing if the buyer claimed I had a part in the disappearance because I mentioned it.

Stop fishing and present evidence if you want us to take a side. My issue with PP is that he did not immediately refund the money, that was his only evidenced misstep.......................so far
Again, with my very limited knowledge of policing, what's printed on this thread does not rise to probable cause for arrest. (if I was a Postal Policeman)

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

arrest, are you really serious?

there are people getting scammed for thousands of dollars on the internet and here i have posted BOTH receipts of the knives shipped the same day because someone on here thinks that I would be stupid enough to use the same receipt twice to ship a package - i also admitted that i didnt send the money order probably because my buyer was being a dick - then instead of saying 'fk off' i offered a refund AFTER managing to BUM 70 dollars of my boss - and then it gets denied after i let it stand for 12 hours

and you guys consider this behavior of a scammer? Somone who admits their mistakes, and tries to very obviously make the situation right - and you OUTRIGHT accuse me ("mail fraud boy") of doing something that very clearly - you have NO evidence of.

 

[Rob_Angerer]

I mention that in every deal I engage in when the USPS is used. When/if the item gets lifted I would find it amazing if the buyer claimed I had a part in the disappearance because I mentioned it.

Stop fishing and present evidence if you want us to take a side. My issue with PP is that he did not immediately refund the money, that was his only evidenced misstep.......................so far
Again, with my very limited knowledge of policing, what's printed on this thread does not rise to probable cause for arrest. (if I was a Postal Policeman)

Dude! I don't give a DAMN if you take a side, and frankly, if you take his side, I still don't give a DAMN. Read my original post in this thread. It was a warning.

He lied about refunding money, and let me swing in the wind with two intermediate emails before I called his bluff. Empty envelope? Lie about refund? Still no refund? Seriously.

This issue will NOT be resolved in this thread by a jury of people at their computers! It will be resolved by me, [Joe Blow] Postal Inspector), Anand Moses, and probably a postal inspector in Riverside!

I'm done here. Beware.

 

[44Magpie]

I've had transactions with Rob in the past and can attest that he's a stand up guy. However, this thread has given me some great laughs so I hope the mystery of the lost knife continues at least for a while!

 

[wolfmann601]

Then why keep posting?
If you don't care what anyone thinks then why keep this thread alive.

I sure hope however that you have something more concrete to prove that the seller did something wrong in the postal process (lying to you means little).

What will probably happen is that you will fail to prove your claim and the postal Inspectors will advise you to file a small claims action for your money. Unless they can prove wrongdoing they cannot force PP to do squat.

And if whats been posted here is ALL the evidence, the Postal Inspectors will solve nothing................................

So now you are done posting and will wait for Name deleted by request, POSTAL Inspector*Name deleted by request* to solve this major event. When he is done, direct him to Brad Duncan, Steve Corkum and several others in the hall of shame who are ripe for investigating.


PS, If you presented anything that shows PP did wrong besides not immediately refunding you when the knife showed up I stilll would not side with your claim he is a criminal. But so far this is a huge drama will little criminal conduct proven.

Nah, what this is is you crying Crime with no proof...............................

 

[Ken44]

PP, please do explain your actions as quoted by LouZava below.

Did you really tell him that the post office made several attempts to deliver to me, but nobody lived at that address?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784845

PP, I was not going to post here but I think you need to answer his question if you don't mind. You have not so far, and it has been brought up twice.

In his post in your sales thread, LouZava stated...
"Rob, he is telling me that the post office did several attepts to delivier it to you, but noboby lived at that address, so they sent it back to him. Thats why he still has one for sale."

PP, Did you tell that to Lou ?

 

[xtonesterx]

PP, I was not going to post here but I think you need to answer his question if you don't mind. You have not so far, and it has been brought up twice.

In his post in your sales thread, LouZava stated...
"Rob, he is telling me that the post office did several attepts to delivier it to you, but noboby lived at that address, so they sent it back to him. Thats why he still has one for sale."

PP, Did you tell that to Lou ?

PP does say that he sent out 3 and one was returned to him in a previous thread above. my question to Lou is, did PP specifically say that it was Robs knife that was returned to him because no one lived at the address? or could Lou just have assumed that it was Robs knife that was returned to PP?

 

[Ken44]

PP does say that he sent out 3 and one was returned to him in a previous thread above. my question to Lou is, did PP specifically say that it was Robs knife that was returned to him because no one lived at the address? or could Lou just have assumed that it was Robs knife that was returned to PP?

Good points. Lou sounded like he was told it was Robs, but I have no idea really. Just curious.
If there is a third person(not saying there is not, but only 2 knives listed), then maybe we can get his BF name from PP.

 

[FMAKNut]

I think it is a bit inconsistent that PP seems so thorough with his communications with Rob regarding the shipping process and documentation, but then ends up using an envelope that most people here, I believe, agree is not adequate packaging and many argue that it is difficult to get insurance back on in a claim situation. Then again, we're all human and capable of mistakes and carelessness.