PachaasPaisaa=Liar at best (banned), Anand Moses amose001@ucr.edu,amoses007@gmail.com

[PachaasPaisaa]

I am sure that the Postal Inspectors will be thrilled to find out in their investigation that Mr. Angerer refused a full refund from his accused scammer. They must not be very busy in that particular Post Office region to even take on such an investigation, regardless of what they said they would do to Mr. Angerer.

Refusing a full refund when offered is just dumb and pursuing things beyond that point in spite of the refund offer is just out of spite and vindictive arrogance.

My advice to P Paissa is to buy a postal money order for the full $260 refund and send it immediately to Mr. Angerer via Registered email and see if he refuses delivery. If he refuses delivery the envelope should come back to you marked that way and keep it as evidence. Keep the uncashed postal money order if delivery is refused for at least 30 days before you take it back to the Post office to get your money back. If he accepts delivery then your deal with him is concluded.

You should be able to file a claim for the insured knife if as you said the tracking info did not show delivery and you still have the Postal shipping receipt. Make damn sure before you file that insurance claim with the USPS that you did indeed ship that knife. If you did then you have absolutely nothing to fear from the Postal Inspectors or from filing the claim. Getting paid after filing, well good luck on that. Next time use a sturdy box for all shipping.

Edit: After posting this I feel like I stepped on a fresh pile of dog shiite and can't quite get the smell completely off my shoe.

dude i offered a refund on here - very clearly , and via email, let it stand for 12 hours and then rescinded it.

thats it. I'm not sending money to anyone here because i already offered, it was refused (which was witnessed on a public forum) and no one in their right mind would willingly send 260.00 dollars to anyone after they refuse it!

 

[Rob_Angerer]

Stashed:

posts were deleted because every time you google my name this is what comes up. and as of now, im pretty sure everyone who has read this thread knows whats up

i have said what i need to say, have the proof that what i did was legit entirely and have the emails sent between my buyer and myself, along with the relevant receipts etc.

i have also contacted my postal inspector over here to get my side of the story clear, using emails and shipping records as proof to my doings.

that is all i need.

clearly my buyer has some personal vendetta against me - only a fool would not take a refund, instead he thinks that im paying him off to get my packaging back and decides to call me "insurance claim boy" - once again, very mature - because i have done this over and over and over again (sarcasm)

im glad my angerer took screenshots of my posts, because that way, its recorded what i said. I have no intention of changing my handle or anything of the sorts. I will still be here as pachaaspaisaa.

i closed my paypal account because i didnt need it anymore. its that simple.

there are no terms or conditions anywhere on here, or on paypal saying that i cant close my account at any time i want, out of my own free will.

i just got sick of dealing with paypal and its bullshit, im sure 99% of the people on here can relate to that.

dude i offered a refund on here - very clearly , and via email, let it stand for 12 hours and then rescinded it.

thats it. I'm not sending money to anyone here because i already offered, it was refused (which was witnessed on a public forum) and no one in their right mind would willingly send 260.00 dollars to anyone after they refuse it!

 

[tendy]

"I did in fact, tell Mr. Angerer that I sent him a money order, which I did indeed lie about. I had it ready to go from my bank, but then decided that there is no real reason why i should compensate him for a lost knife that was insured for such an unforseen circumstance."




Unbelievable!!! Why should anyone trust you or what you are telling everyone in this thread?

 

[alex]

dude i offered a refund on here - very clearly , and via email, let it stand for 12 hours and then rescinded it.

thats it. I'm not sending money to anyone here because i already offered, it was refused (which was witnessed on a public forum) and no one in their right mind would willingly send 260.00 dollars to anyone after they refuse it!

I guess you still don't get that legally you still owe him the money. If you are too dense to understand that then you deserve what you get.

You sound like you might be a young guy possibly with a long working career in your future. Keep in mind that most large employers are now doing very thorough internet searches as part of any pre-employment background checks and you do not want crap like this showing up on their radar. I work for a very large corporation and you would be amazed at what they dig up on employment applicants and how little it takes to get you off the hiring list.

 

[xtonesterx]

haha wow, this thread is just amazing. cant wait to see what the conclusion is!

personally i think Rob should have taken the refund. PP was already proven as a lier on this thread for everyone to see. i think PP should have learned his lesson by now. glad i read this thread, cause now i wont deal with either parties

 

[Knife Crazied]

haha wow, this thread is just amazing. cant wait to see what the conclusion is!

personally i think Rob should have taken the refund. PP was already proven as a lier on this thread for everyone to see. i think PP should have learned his lesson by now. glad i read this thread, cause now i wont deal with either parties

Amen!

 

[Rob_Angerer]

PP, please do explain your actions as quoted by LouZava below.

Did you really tell him that the post office made several attempts to deliver to me, but nobody lived at that address? If so, that is of course just ANOTHER fabrication.

PP's envelope was indeed delivered to my mailbox ... and pics are in this thread... it's just that the envelope was flat (i.e. probably never traveled outside of Riverside with a knife in it, and certainly not across the country to the USPS hub in Ohio and then to Texas with a knife in it), did NOT contain the Military S90V as per the deal (was empty), and the end had been carefully sliced open and retaped, closed and shipped.

I'll re-emphasize my title thread... something very fishy here... very old, decaying smelly fishy type fishy.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784845

Im also wanting a MilitaryS90V and when I contacted him 2 weeks ago he said they were all gone. But then he gets back at me and tells me he has one for me. I ask for pics and they are the same pics of the Milli next to some lemons. That was fishy to me since those pics of that knife I asked him two weeks ago were sold and gone!! This guy is trying to do a trade + cash on his end with me over on the JD forums.
Rob, he is telling me that the post office did several attempts to deliver it to you, but nobody lived at that address, so they sent it back to him. That's why he still has one for sale. This all sounds fishy to me, and I'm glad I didn't send him my Sebenza as a trade! The only way I would trade with him is face to face or if he sends me the money and knife first, after those are in my possession, then I will send him my Lrg Sebenza! Is that fair, with someone with a bad rep all over the place?

 

[Rob_Angerer]

I'm also harvesting this overcompensating quote from his original for sale thread, just for posterity:

both of these are gone!

thanks guys

one sold to P40_WARHAWK

one sold to Rob_Angerer!

great! Thank you guys so much for helping me out with fixing my car! God damn drunk drivers!

 

[FMAKNut]

Wow, this thread just gets better and better!

 

[PurpleHaze]

I gotta agree with Rob. The guy already lied to him once about sending a refund, why should he trust that this time is any different?

If the guy really wanted to send him a refund, he could have sent the money through paypal and wouldn't have lied about it in the first place. Just my 2 cents...

 

[LorenzoL]

I think LouZava's post clearly indicates that PP is a liar. That, we all knew already.
What worries me in this thread is that so many members are taking sides against Rob...
So for many it would be OK for him to get the refund and forget about all this so that PP can go on and on like he has since he joined the forums?
He was banned from The Cove for a much lesser offense than this one, trollers have been banned from BF without having ripped anybody off, honestly I don't understand the policies sometimes.

 

[Rob_Angerer]

So for many it would be OK for him to get the refund and forget about all this so that PP can go on and on like he has since he joined the forums?

That succinctly makes my point.

Either:

1. PP is an occasional, multiple offense scammer, with enough actual knife transactions to look semi-legit...
2. or someone in the Riverside CA post office has sticky fingers and a good sense of which packages to either steal, or carefully open, grab knife, carefully seal, and send on it's journey... and that person has done this multiple times to Mr Anand Moses...

I'm not sure which it is ... yet ... but if I were Anand Moses, AND I were a legit seller, I'd be pretty pissed that the Riverside CA post office KEPT stealing my knives! And I'd have gone down there to read them the riot act.

But since he hasn't done anything close to that, apparently, although he has "got his side of the story straight" with a Riverside postal inspector, I'll see if I can help them out from the Beaumont TX side.

 

[Rob_Angerer]

If the guy really wanted to send him a refund, he could have sent the money through paypal and wouldn't have lied about it in the first place. Just my 2 cents...

Yep. Except that he closed his Paypal account... PERHAPS because I filed a claim in Paypal, and advised him as much, and he didn't want Paypal's claim process to catch up to him and take the money. Just sayin'...

Just one problem for me... I used "personal" in Paypal, and they don't offer much in the way of help. Hence, the 3.4% fee is what you gotta ante up for any protection I believe. That is my learning that I carry forward. No free lunch.

 

[EMT_Lee]

PP, please do explain your actions as quoted by LouZava below.

Did you really tell him that the post office made several attempts to deliver to me, but nobody lived at that address? If so, that is of course just ANOTHER fabrication.

PP's envelope was indeed delivered to my mailbox ... and pics are in this thread... it's just that the envelope was flat (i.e. probably never traveled outside of Riverside with a knife in it, and certainly not across the country to the USPS hub in Ohio and then to Texas with a knife in it), did NOT contain the Military S90V as per the deal (was empty), and the end had been carefully sliced open and retaped, closed and shipped.

I'll re-emphasize my title thread... something very fishy here... very old, decaying smelly fishy type fishy.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784845

I pointed that out, several pages ago. PP refused to comment, and nobody else really seemed that stirred up by it. So, I just let it go.

 

[wolfmann601]

The more I read this the clearer it may not be evidenced based. The OP alleges that no knife was shipped, yet can he prove that. The OP alleges that the envelope was sliced open is there evidence who sliced it open.
While PP may have been less than honest, is there any concrete proof he comitted any crime and if the Postal Inspectors read this thread first theywill theymove onto cases with far less suspicions and far more proof................... or not???

 

[xtonesterx]

The more I read this the clearer it may not be evidenced based. The OP alleges that no knife was shipped, yet can he prove that. The OP alleges that the envelope was sliced open is there evidence who sliced it open.
While PP may have been less than honest, is there any concrete proof he comitted any crime and if the Postal Inspectors read this thread first theywill theymove onto cases with far less suspicions and far more proof................... or not???

exactly. i do not think the OP should be making any accusations without hard evidence. and thats for any matter in life.

 

[cj65]

There would be evidence from the stamp on the envelope. If there were no knife in the envelope, postage would be 1 oz or less right? If the postmaster had 6 to 14 oz (whatever a knife weighs) that would give us a stronger argument that a knife was in it when shipped. A flat envelope may not be proof, but a postmark with weight could be. At least something would have been in the envelope. Both parties are acting odd.

 

[PachaasPaisaa]

There would be evidence from the stamp on the envelope. If there were no knife in the envelope, postage would be 1 oz or less right? If the postmaster had 6 to 14 oz (whatever a knife weighs) that would give us a stronger argument that a knife was in it when shipped. A flat envelope may not be proof, but a postmark with weight could be. At least something would have been in the envelope. Both parties are acting odd.

i have reiterated numerous times that my shipping weight on my receipt (AKA RIGHT BEFORE PUTTING IT IN THE BIN TO SEND)

says VERY clearly 6.60 ounces.

i can scan this and post it here if anyone would like to see it

 

[u812]

i have reiterated numerous times that my shipping weight on my receipt (AKA RIGHT BEFORE PUTTING IT IN THE BIN TO SEND)

says VERY clearly 6.60 ounces.

i can scan this and post it here if anyone would like to see it

I have used those self service postage machines,it is no trouble to make the package weigh any amount you want,if you try to make it lighter it will get caught but the PO does not care if you make it weigh more as there is enough postage on it.

 

[5.56]

There would be evidence from the stamp on the envelope. If there were no knife in the envelope, postage would be 1 oz or less right?

Not necessarily.

PP mailed out both knives at the same time from an automated kiosk.
It's possible he used the same package to weigh both tickets. I would be interested in seeing the weight on the the 2nd knife he shipped. Even though the knives weigh the same, the packing materials would have to vary slightly.