Pacific Salt saves my dog from being mauled to death...

My pit bull was given to me by a family that kept her inside till they decided she was too big and locked her in a small building out back. I took her out of pity and shes a delightful dog, but I am a responsible owner and keep her up unless I am walking her. I also do not allow her to roam at all even though I live on a farm. Shes never allowed to fight or kill anything. I have no problem with her. I notice people here are not getting facts straight. I posted what a dog fighter from JAPAN posted on a site about fighting dogs. He was the one that watched videos of dogs fighting. All I can say is if you don't like dogs that are bred to be fighters or even aggressive is don't own one. If people are not responsible with them and they attack your pets kill them do what you have to. I would and its certainly not just one breed that can be a danger. All I've tried to say is many of us that own a pit bull or other dog that could be mishandled are responsible owners, we keep our dogs under control and don't encourage them to attack others pets. That's all I have to say as I realize many people only see the bad side of things.
 
Kind of a silly analogy, actually. Try as I may I just can't seem to recall a single incident of a legal (or illegal) knife jumping out of a back yard or a back pocket and viciously attacking another dog or a person.

The big problem with Pit Bull's is what kind of damage they can do to an animal or person if they do decide to go on the attack - and I'm not speaking from a position of ignorance. About 25 years ago when I was younger, & quite a bit dumber (in spite of advice from others) I decided it would be cool to have a Pit. The dog was very sweet and loved people but once it got a taste of fighting it would do it's best to try to kill anything with fur. My Pit grew up with my beloved Boxer and I assumed they would be fine together - big mistake. After 2 trips for to the vet which involved close to 75 stitches for my Boxer I gave him to my uncle who lives way out in the boonies. He was a loving dog but I never regretted giving him away. It's an extremely scary sight to see an incensed Pit Bull in full attack mode on another animal.

Are all Pit Bulls like mine was? No, but my advice to people is to give it a lot of thought before buying one because they can be very unpredictable around other animals. And make no mistake, when a Pit Bulldog attacks they have every intention of killing the attackee.

BTW Jill, you certainly seem to know your fighting dogs. You have all have all the terms down pat and have even admitted to watching pit fighting on tape. As far as I'm concerned watching tapes of dogs fighting is just about as despicable as watching it in person. Of course that's just my two cents...

You wasn't a responsible owner to let your two fighting breeds be together alone. And yes I tend to learn about things I'm interested in unlike many people I don't just own something and say well it will be ok, I can do what I think is best. Dude I never said I watched any videos of dogs fighting. And yes some people do misuse knives and guns making it harder for the ones that want to be responsible. Same with many breeds of dogs. Pit bulls aren't the only dog that can be a danger when somebody owns one that doesn't bother to learn the facts and train, care for and be certain they are under control. There's many breeds that can be a problem and 40 years ago when only the dog fighters had these pit bulls mostly, you never heard anything about them. Get rid of the pits and then its Japanese Tosas or Bull Mastiffs, Airedales, American bulldogs, and on and on, that stupid people will obtain and breed offering the pups cheaper and cheaper until they are common and the breed to always bring up in these types of debates. Funny the dogs that attacked Puff didn't seem to be pit bulls anyway.
 
Jill,
My mind is NOT made up on pit bulls....I'm not for them or against them...I did take issue with Wikipedia though, since you quoted it. I've read alot of your posts and never would've guessed you're only 19, based on the common-sensical basis of your viewpoints. If you take care of your dogs the way I assume you do your knives, your dog will probably never attack anything more than a cat...and even then maybe only in rough-play mode.

The fact is is that Ming65 killed a dog to save his own. It's a shame he had to but I'm not shedding tears. Owners have to keep their dogs under control.

And Ming65, you SHOULD turn that guy in and not let it drop. It's unlikely that the animal control will "put his dogs down" but, rather, a record will be created and make him less likely to be careless in the future...when this last episode with you wears off. You know the saying in America "We will not forget..." but sadly, people do, and he'll get careless again.

Why do people shy from doing the right thing? Because it's often easier to not....
 
Jill,
Why do people shy from doing the right thing? Because it's often easier to not....

I think people often shy from doing the right thing because they just want to be nice. However, if this guy has dangerous animals, being nice won't help the next victim. No offense, Ming, I'd probably do the same thing. That's my nature.
 
Ming,

In my mind, you did the exact right thing - you saved your own dog without intentionally and directly killing the other dog. I'm a dog lover and have owned dogs for the entirety of my life. I understand your remorse; the thought of having to wound a dog with a knife is terrible. However, it was a matter of your dog being unnecessarily attacked, and you responded with courage and self-restraint.

It is sad that the big dog died, but you didn't intentionally kill him. Perhaps he was actually saved from a worse fate somewhere down the line.

Jill Jackson,

I hear what you are saying about the pit bull breeds. Here in New Mexico, though, there's a LOT of underground dog fighting coupled with horrible breeding ethics on those fighting dogs. Many, many dogs here in NM are inbred, which causes all manner of genetic defects. Pure bred pit bull breeds are uber-friendly with people; in fact, they make terrible guard dogs! However, the sad fact is that the current "tough-guy" breed is the pit bull of its various types. In the '80's, the tough-guy breeds were Dobermans and German Shepherds. This led to terrible treatment and breeding practices, producing all manner of unbalanced Dobes and GSD's. Those breeds seem to be faring somewhat better, these days. The '90's tough-guy dog was the Rottweiler, which remains so today. The loathsome people who misuse dogs to boost their own image will always find some poor breed to corrupt. The media will always latch onto this and unnecessarily scare the public, too... it's a ridiculous, sordid situation.

But, on a lighter note :) I'm glad your dog is healing, Ming :thumbup: The neck wounds don't look too horrible, in the big scheme of things, and terriers are tough animals. I think that, with time and care, your lil pooch will be just fine, physically and emotionally.
 
WAIT WAIT WAIT! NO one but dog fighters had pitbulls 40 years ago? What about the little rascals?They had a pit bull that was a loving dog who worked around many children actors all day every day, often in scenes where no adult was present. Pit Bulls were not just fighting dogs.

This is from people who actually know the breed anfd it "FULL" history.

"As time progressed a gentleman by the name Chauncy Bennett founded the UKC in 1898 with the American Pit Bull Terrier as its foundation dog breed. Although some are fortunate enough to own a UKC registered Pit's the majority of the public has chose to not register their dogs due to financial constraints and subsequent loss of bloodline determination.

Here at The American Pit Bull Registry we seek to turn this trend around and to register peoples otherwise un-registered American Pit Bulls and to encourage people with otherwise registered Pit Bulls to dually register their dogs here.

By the time of WWI the American Pit Bull Terrier had became a well loved and desired dog. In fact the Pit Bull was used as Americas canine mascot of the time and seen in such posters as this during war time.


In 1917 a Pit Bull by the name of Sgt. Stubby became a war hero for saving several soldiers lives and even capturing a German Spy while in the trenches of France with the 26th Yankee Division.

Later the Pit Bull was used to signify sturdiness, dependability, and loyalty by such organizations as RCA, Buster Brown shoes, and even the loveable Pete of the Little Rascals.

In fact the first dog to travel across America in a car was a Pit Bull ( Bud ) and did so with the first persons ( Horatio Jackson and his assistant and "bicycle" mechanic Sewall Crocker ) to cross America in a car ( A Winton named the Vermont). Horatio later donated Bud's goggles to the Smithsonian Institute in Washington D.C. During the trip Bud would assist in watching for large bumps in the road and often received as much if not more attention by the press than did Jackson. After the trip was completed Bud bravely guarded the Jackson home until his death of old age.



To order a film, book, or learn more on this trip click here.

Many a famous people such as Fred Astaire, President Roosevelt, Jack Dempsy, Thomas Edison, Madonna, Michael J Fox, Brad Pitt, Bernadette Peters, Sinbad, Alicia Silverstone, Linda Blair, Humphrey Bogart, Usher, Mel Brooks, Ann Bancroft, John Stuart, Jan Michael Vincent, Pink (the singer), Kelli Williams (Actress from The Practice), Ken Howard (Father in Crossing Jordon - his Pit Shadow saved his life), Malcolm Jamal Warner, Stephan Jenkins, Rosie Perez, Ananda Lewis, Amy Jo Johnson, Mary Tyler Moore, Steve and Terrie Erwin (Crockhunters), Jack Johnson (Hawaiian singer), Bill Berloni (Broadway show dog trainer who has said that the Pit is the breed of choice for training), Anthony Robbins, Molly Price (Actress from Third Watch), President Woodrow Wilson, Frankie Muniz, AJ Mclean, Barbara Eden, and even Helen Keller have been lucky enough to own this magnificent animal.


Well known sports figures who own Pit Bulls include: Tennis Star Serena Williams (Bambi), Professional Basketball Players Desmond Mason (Zane, Capone), Rashard Lewis (Cookie, Angel, Ginger), Amare Stoudemire (JT, Ace, Deuce), Alton Ford (Mischif, Rosy, Spicey, Diable +3 pups with names unknown), Tamika Dixon and Mo Vaughn

There are many more famous people and athletes who own Pits. If you know of one not listed let us know for their inclusion."

They actually have been around since roman times. It seems many people are easily swayed by media potrayal. It is true that pit bulls are one of many breeds that can snap into an aggresive state. I was attacked as a young man by our family Doberman, a breed many swear by. OP did what he had to do and if you own any dog with any power to it, it is your job to control it.
 
My take on the whole nature V nurture debate on Dogs falls about 60/40 on the nature side. In our age-old symbiotic relationship with Dogs we have selectively bred them to fill different niches in our co-operative arangement. From hunting, to herding, retrieval, fighting, early warning/security and recent times just plain companionship; each breed has characteristics that allow it to excell in this role- and they are never happier than when they get to act out these instincts.

Dogs with large, well muscled heads, particularly the distinctive 'cleavage' on the top of the head caused by huge biting muscles - have been bred to bite powerfully and hold - essentially fighting.

Good training and management will largely override the deeper instinct in many cases -but no matter how sweet the personality. I'd never leave a dog like this unrestrained in the vicinity of small children. And if one approaches me or Puff on any future walks, when all reasonable avoidance of conflict has been exhausted (I can normally pick stupid dogs and their overcompensating morons of owners and give them a wide berth) - I will take out my weapon of choice and announce loudly to that owner to control his animal or see it killed.

I found out today that the fellows big dog didn't make it - which suprises me because I didn't think I'd hit anything vital. But then he did drive straight home for 3-hours after the fight and had planned to take the dog to the vet the following morning (see above re; morons).

Apparently he's terrified that I'll contact authorities and have the rest of his animals put down - probably best I leave it at that to avoid reprisals. I doubt we'll ever see him around here again.


It is sad to kill any dog. I thought that I had caused a mortal or debilitating wound to the Mastiff mix that attacked us. I shot it one time in the back with a 9mm corbon powerball. The dog was immediatly unable to use its rear legs (I was sure that I hit it's spine).

The vet at animal control was able to save the dog to his and evreyone elses surprise (why he tried is beyond me). The animal control officer told me what the vet told him. The bukket only went in a few inches and expanded to just under an inch. It was right up against the dog's spine. The dog had chord shock and may fully recover. I feel bad that the dog is suffering, but I am angry that they gave the dog back to the kid. They said if I had let it bite me or my family I could press charges against the guy, but since it only harmed my dog I have to take him to civil court for the damages. All I want is for this dog to be gone from my neighborhood so my wife won't be afraid to go outside with our dog or baby.
 
WAIT WAIT WAIT! NO one but dog fighters had pitbulls 40 years ago? What about the little rascals?They had a pit bull that was a loving dog who worked around many children actors all day every day, often in scenes where no adult was present. Pit Bulls were not just fighting dogs.
I said mostly dog fighters did only have pit bulls 40 years ago. As the pit bull was popular as a pet back in the "little rascals" days and before. (way longer than 40 years ago)They wasn't very known or common back in the 1950's and 60's. The public started keeping them as pets in the 1970's again by the 80's they was very common. That was for sure a disaster waiting to happen. Anytime a breed becomes popular its sure to help the breed in general become much less as any dog is bred with no regard to whether its suitable. In the pit bulls case it was especially bad, because of the very traits the breed was developed for.
 
Damn Ming,
Sorry to hear that happened. Glad you and your buddy are gonna be awright. On an odd note, I am glad it happened to Ming with his Spyderco rather than some frail old woman or something.

Kudos to the excellent judgement used under such enormous stress!
 
Good job on the rescue. Glad Puff is ok. Glad the Salt helped. A sharp knife can be a formidable equalizer in a bad situation.

An overly aggressive dog is a bad thing. An irresponsible owner is worse. Doesn't matter; kind, color, name, etc.

sal
 
I was going for a coffee with my brother last year and we were walking along the street with Puff on a leash. Two lovely looking ladies were walking towards us and as we crossed paths with them we smiled and they smiled etc. My brother and I were both single at the time so we thought this was a good thing.

The ladies were both still in earshot when I heard one say to the other 'Isn't that nice to see two gay men out and about without being ashamed':eek:
My brother grumbled 'You're leaving that bloody dog at home next time'.......

So no - she's no macho accessory.


Well, what did you expect when 2 guys are walking a pooch named Puff?? :eek: :rolleyes: :eek: :)

Nonetheless, great story & nice job saving your little buddy.
 
A lot of states are beginning to euthanize all pit bulls, unfortunatly not their owners.
 
You'd rather they euthanize all the owners?

It would make more sense to require insurance policies for dog owners, with confiscatory fines for failure to control their animals. Even that doesn't take into account the millions of inoffensive dogs of all breeds.
 
A lot of states are beginning to euthanize all pit bulls, unfortunatly not their owners.

Why would you want to euthanize the owners? That doesn;t sound right. Most pit bulls never get to attach anything, thanks to their owners. And of those dogs, alot of it is because the owners raised the dog to be normal. How would that command a death sentence? Maybe you just jumped the gun.
 
I might have jumped the gun a little, not. Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill. So who would own such an animal? You cant train that out of a pit. Let me ask you this. You've been talking about the dogs that go out and catch pigs so the owner can stab them with a knife or spear. What kind of person is that? Normal, I doubt it.
 
Humans have been using dogs to track and bring down prey for a LONG time. I disagree with the implication that there is something "abnormal" about this method of hunting.
Do you think that we always humanely and bloodlessly killed our morning bacon?
A little off topic but .....sheesh!
Dogs weren't always just pets,they were productive members of the community.
 
stilgar is right. That's why wolves were first domesticated, to help with the hunt. Is it more humane to hunt with a high-powered rifle with a scope, blasting an animal that never even sees the hunter coming, or to go out and meet your prey on the ground, on his own terms?
 
It would make more sense to require insurance policies for dog owners, with confiscatory fines for failure to control their animals. Even that doesn't take into account the millions of inoffensive dogs of all breeds.

Insurance companies are predjudiced -- not only against "Pit Bull" type dogs, but against Rottweillers, Dobermans, and German Shepherds as well. They will refuse to issue homeowner's liability coverage to anyone who owns a "dangerous" breed, thus, no landlord will rent to a tenant who owns one.

Curiously, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, Mastiffs, Great Danes, and various exotic breeds used almost exclusively as "killer attack dogs" are not listed as "dangerous breeds."
 
Ming did what he had to do. He had to do a terrible thing, but he had no other reasonable options left to him.

And watching his own dog die was not a reasonable option. Good he had the knife, and good he was physically able to take control of the situation.

The fault lies on the owner of the dogs. No dogs should be left out in the open without a leash or in another way unrestrained.

An owner of trained pig dogs should know better. I hope he is prosecuted.
Stupid owners get once good dogs into trouble because of the own idiocy.

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68shakenbakemopar wrote,

A lot of states are beginning to euthanize all pit bulls, unfortunatly not their owners.

Not sure how this thread got turned into yet another ignorant "I hate pitbulls and their owners" collection of idiot rantings , but somehow it did. As usual. This time even here in the general knife discussion forum.

Ming's description of the dogs are as pig dogs. They might have some pitbull in them, as Ming said, but there are a lot of different breeds in them.

The most popular breed for pig hunting is the Dogo Argentino, which might look a lot like a pitbul, but it certainly is not.

Not that most people even know what a pitbul looks like. Today any dog that attacks is immediately called a pitbul, whether or not it was infact that specific breed.

But hey, who cares about the truth when we have an entire breed of dog to mass murder for the fun of it.


Because of ignorant dumbasses like you they're killing innocent pets.

You know, the first facial transplant was for a woman in france who got her face mauled off by a Retriever. Not sure how forcebly taking and murdering innocent pitbulls would have helped that, or all the other examples of other dogs attacking people.
Any dog can be dangerous when it's treated badly, or if it hasn't had the right training or care.


http://www.safety-council.org/news/sc/1999/dogbites.htm
Breeds that bite
In the Netherlands, the breeds responsible for the most bites were Rottweiler (20 per cent), and Golden and Labrador Retriever (15 per cent). CHIRPP ranked the most common breeds causing a bite injury as German Shepherds, Cocker Spaniels, Rottweilers and Golden Retrievers.

Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill. So who would own such an animal? You cant train that out of a pit.

Like the name suggests they were bred to fight bulls. Also used to fight other dogs.

I have first hand experience in the fact that if you socialize a pitbul well it won't have any problems with new dogs.

As for other animals, no problem. All my pits, and my parents pits, were imediately best friends with our cats. ALL our cats, and ANY AND ALL NEW cats that we present to them. I have NO worries about presenting ANY new cat to ANY of our pits, without guarding or holding the cat in my arms. Our dogs immediately love all cats. In general our pitbulls, and all the pitbulls I've come across have not shown any aggression towards anything or anyone.
Aside from owning pits I've been involved in pitbul rescue for years now, will a lot more in the future, so I do know a few things about these dogs.

My parent's red nosed pitbul for example actually recently adopted a couple kittens as her own that my parents took in as strays from someone else. Yes, she, the pitbul, honestly considers those kittens as her own. And the kittens love her too. But I guess nothing will change the minds of someone on an anti-pitbul crusade.

Pitbulls were specifically bred NOT to attack humans. In Pit fighting the two dogs were always bred not to attack neither it's own owner when he goes in to seperate the dog, but also the owner of the other dog has to be able to seperate the "opponent's" dog also without getting bit. Imagine that! In the heat of battle seperating a dog that doesn't know you, and not getting bit! Any dog that bit it's master OR the other owner (or anyone for that matter) would be put down immediately. So.....they were bred not to bite humans.

How many other dogs do you know of that were specifically bred not to bite humans? It takes A LOT of abuse to make a Pitbull go nuts and bite a human. It's simply against it's nature. Unfortunately a lot of humans abuse these dogs. ANd THAT is something that needs to be looked into stopping.

Dog fighting is abhorrent. But euthanizing pitbuls just because of the fact they are pitbuls is equally abhorrent and wrong.

Quite frankly, anyone trying to take my dogs away from me will be met with the same force as if I catch anyone dog fighting. Simple as that.


These dogs are truly the most loving dogs I've ever had, and I've had them all, from great danes to beagles to a schutzhund bred german shepherd.

All of our pitbulls are from previous owners that abused them. These dogs are very thankful to be in a home with owners that love them. They're amazing dogs, really the best I've ever had, not that my other dogs weren't great too because they surely were. But there's something very special about pitbulls.
They're the best dogs I've ever seen in every way, and I am simply astonished at all the misconceptions many people have about Pits, and especially about how much hatred these dogs can generate for no reason.

Some info:

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/

http://www.realpitbull.com/temperament.html

http://www.nopitbullbans.com/?page_id=36

Here's my pit Dixie together with my cat. They're almost always together.

What a vicious dog indeed.

 
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