Pacific Salt saves my dog from being mauled to death...

tyr_shadowblade said:
Insurance companies are predjudiced -- not only against "Pit Bull" type dogs, but against Rottweillers, Dobermans, and German Shepherds as well. They will refuse to issue homeowner's liability coverage to anyone who owns a "dangerous" breed, thus, no landlord will rent to a tenant who owns one.
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Insurance companies are dumb. Dobermans are often used in hospitals and rest homes for visiting the old people and patients since they are excellent at tip toeing gently over IV lines without pulling them out. Great gentle dogs.

People are dumbasses, and the more I see of humanity the more I prefer my dogs.
 
Emanuel said:
Insurance companies are dumb. Dobermans are often used in hospitals and rest homes for visiting the old people and patients since they are excellent at tip toeing gently over IV lines without pulling them out. Great gentle dogs.

People are dumbasses, and the more I see of humanity the more I prefer my dogs.
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Amen to that. We're surrounded in a sea of dumbasses. :(
 
my brother's doberman is the sweetest, most gentle, dog I have ever met, bar none. But she will protect my brother, who is in a wheel chair, to the death. I've seen the transformation once and, if she wasn't on my side, I would have been very nervous!

Of course there are other dobies who are much more aggressive in much less acceptable circumstances. Like has been said here a thousand times before, its all about the owners/trainers.
 
I've seen the transformation once and, if she wasn't on my side, I would have been very nervous!
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You could say the same about other dogs of different breeds. My boxer was the same, especially when it came to protecting my daughter. He just wasn't as obvious as some dogs would have been, no theatrics, just the lunge that we had to be alert to stop.

We had a neighbor with dobie-shepard mixed dogs, which her family bred. She had been in an auto accident and was pretty badly messed up, but if anyone walked too close to her first floor apartm,ent, those dogs would go berserk. Great alarm system.

On the other hand, we would get together in the courtyard of the building and her two dogs and our boxer would play like old friends.

Dogs are very individual and their behavior is not always breed-specific.
 
Just last week, a pit bull in a subdivision near us left his yard (no leash, no fence) and killed another dog. When the owner tried to retrieve his dog's dead body, the pit attacked him. The pit owner could not believe it, because the dog had always been gentle before that day.

As I've said, my Welsh Corgi was bred for herding. She's never seen a cow or sheep, but go run in the backyard and she instinctually tries to herd you. That nature is simply bred into the breed.

Pit bulls were bred for aggression and fighting. To ignore that fact is to simply ignore reality. Period.
 
The pit owner could not believe it, because the dog had always been gentle before that day.
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I don't believe it. As I've said before, dog owners should all carry a wallet card. One side says "Don't worry, he's friendly." The other side says "I don't know why he did that. He's never bitten anyone before."

The owner is not your most reliable source of information on his own dog's behavioral history. He has an ulterior motive for subtly shifting the blame to the victim.
 
Emanuel said:
You know, the first facial transplant was for a woman in france who got her face mauled off by a Retriever. Not sure how forcebly taking and murdering innocent pitbulls would have helped that, or all the other examples of other dogs attacking people.
Any dog can be dangerous when it's treated badly, or if it hasn't had the right training or care.

In the Netherlands, the breeds responsible for the most bites were Rottweiler (20 per cent), and Golden and Labrador Retriever (15 per cent). CHIRPP ranked the most common breeds causing a bite injury as German Shepherds, Cocker Spaniels, Rottweilers and Golden Retrievers.
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The numbers of bites per breed are typically equivilant to that breed's overall popularity.

I've met several full-sized German Rottweilers (150+#) . . . incredibly intelligent, sweet tempered dogs. One was utilized as a "therapy dog." Another was owned by an elementary school teacher who regularly brought him into her classroom. Another let a small child ride on his back . . . he called him "Pony Dog." :)

Of course, if they go bad, those 2" teeth and crushing bite strength will do serious damage -- which is why the police don't use them for K9s.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
stilgar is right. That's why wolves were first domesticated, to help with the hunt. Is it more humane to hunt with a high-powered rifle with a scope, blasting an animal that never even sees the hunter coming, or to go out and meet your prey on the ground, on his own terms?
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Yes, it is more humane. If you want to go out and hunt lion, cape buffalo, leapard, elephant or deer and elk on their own terms with your knife go ahead.You will come back empty or dead.
 
Emanuel said:
Ming did what he had to do. He had to do a terrible thing, but he had no other reasonable options left to him.

And watching his own dog die was not a reasonable option. Good he had the knife, and good he was physically able to take control of the situation.

The fault lies on the owner of the dogs. No dogs should be left out in the open without a leash or in another way unrestrained.

An owner of trained pig dogs should know better. I hope he is prosecuted.
Stupid owners get once good dogs into trouble because of the own idiocy.

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68shakenbakemopar wrote,



Not sure how this thread got turned into yet another ignorant "I hate pitbulls and their owners" collection of idiot rantings , but somehow it did. As usual. This time even here in the general knife discussion forum.

Ming's description of the dogs are as pig dogs. They might have some pitbull in them, as Ming said, but there are a lot of different breeds in them.

The most popular breed for pig hunting is the Dogo Argentino, which might look a lot like a pitbul, but it certainly is not.

Not that most people even know what a pitbul looks like. Today any dog that attacks is immediately called a pitbul, whether or not it was infact that specific breed.

But hey, who cares about the truth when we have an entire breed of dog to mass murder for the fun of it.


Because of ignorant dumbasses like you they're killing innocent pets.

You know, the first facial transplant was for a woman in france who got her face mauled off by a Retriever. Not sure how forcebly taking and murdering innocent pitbulls would have helped that, or all the other examples of other dogs attacking people.
Any dog can be dangerous when it's treated badly, or if it hasn't had the right training or care.


http://www.safety-council.org/news/sc/1999/dogbites.htm
Breeds that bite
In the Netherlands, the breeds responsible for the most bites were Rottweiler (20 per cent), and Golden and Labrador Retriever (15 per cent). CHIRPP ranked the most common breeds causing a bite injury as German Shepherds, Cocker Spaniels, Rottweilers and Golden Retrievers.



Like the name suggests they were bred to fight bulls. Also used to fight other dogs.

I have first hand experience in the fact that if you socialize a pitbul well it won't have any problems with new dogs.

As for other animals, no problem. All my pits, and my parents pits, were imediately best friends with our cats. ALL our cats, and ANY AND ALL NEW cats that we present to them. I have NO worries about presenting ANY new cat to ANY of our pits, without guarding or holding the cat in my arms. Our dogs immediately love all cats. In general our pitbulls, and all the pitbulls I've come across have not shown any aggression towards anything or anyone.
Aside from owning pits I've been involved in pitbul rescue for years now, will a lot more in the future, so I do know a few things about these dogs.

My parent's red nosed pitbul for example actually recently adopted a couple kittens as her own that my parents took in as strays from someone else. Yes, she, the pitbul, honestly considers those kittens as her own. And the kittens love her too. But I guess nothing will change the minds of someone on an anti-pitbul crusade.

Pitbulls were specifically bred NOT to attack humans. In Pit fighting the two dogs were always bred not to attack neither it's own owner when he goes in to seperate the dog, but also the owner of the other dog has to be able to seperate the "opponent's" dog also without getting bit. Imagine that! In the heat of battle seperating a dog that doesn't know you, and not getting bit! Any dog that bit it's master OR the other owner (or anyone for that matter) would be put down immediately. So.....they were bred not to bite humans.

How many other dogs do you know of that were specifically bred not to bite humans? It takes A LOT of abuse to make a Pitbull go nuts and bite a human. It's simply against it's nature. Unfortunately a lot of humans abuse these dogs. ANd THAT is something that needs to be looked into stopping.

Dog fighting is abhorrent. But euthanizing pitbuls just because of the fact they are pitbuls is equally abhorrent and wrong.

Quite frankly, anyone trying to take my dogs away from me will be met with the same force as if I catch anyone dog fighting. Simple as that.


These dogs are truly the most loving dogs I've ever had, and I've had them all, from great danes to beagles to a schutzhund bred german shepherd.

All of our pitbulls are from previous owners that abused them. These dogs are very thankful to be in a home with owners that love them. They're amazing dogs, really the best I've ever had, not that my other dogs weren't great too because they surely were. But there's something very special about pitbulls.
They're the best dogs I've ever seen in every way, and I am simply astonished at all the misconceptions many people have about Pits, and especially about how much hatred these dogs can generate for no reason.

Some info:

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/

http://www.realpitbull.com/temperament.html

http://www.nopitbullbans.com/?page_id=36

Here's my pit Dixie together with my cat. They're almost always together.

What a vicious dog indeed.

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Im a dumbass, thats ok. That part where you said pit bull were bred not to attack humans. Were you born in the shallow end of the gene pool? How many kids, old ladies and old men have killed by pit bulls. How many attacked but not killed. Your avatar sums you up. One child is worth more than all the pit bulls on this planet. So you say its the owner of the dogs are at fault. Very true. Check out 90% of the owners of pit bulls. Gangbangers,punks, criminals and drug dealers that are straight up chicken shits. Gotta have that macho image, so they get pits to shore up their sexual shortcomings. The people that are really to blame are the lawyers. They ought to do to them what the Mexicans did in the 1850's. If you dont know, they killed them all.
 
"Im a dumbass, thats ok. That part where you said pit bull were bred not to attack humans. Were you born in the shallow end of the gene pool? How many kids, old ladies and old men have killed by pit bulls. How many attacked but not killed. "

How many are attacked by spaniels? Chows? Stray mutts? Do you have supporting documentation for those attacks too?

How many kids, old ladies and old men have been killed by pit bulls.. I want to know how many kids, old ladies and old men are attacked by thugs. Probably a lot more huh. Why are they not 'put down' then. Theyre just lazy, crack smokin worthless criminals, that will continue to attack, both IN jail and out. The difference with this is, WE gotta support those fools IN and outta jail too! Now THATS what im gettin sick of... If we just shot em and buried em, we'd be saving a WHOLE hell of a lot of money...

First off, they ARE bred SPECIFICALLY not to bite humans. As far as genetics go, they are one of the most non human aggressive dogs around genius. It was one of THE biggest attributes bred into the dogs. How many people are killed by pitbulls? Not alot at all. Can you back up the 'alot' part with official documentation? THEN, when you do, do you have OFFICIAL rulings on whether those dogs were in fact GENUINE pitbull terriers? I bet ya ya dont hotrod. And one human is worth more than all the pitbulls on the planet? Thats all relative. Dogs are integrated into many aspects of families these days. We dont have kids, but we have two dogs, (we prefer it that way) and they are VERY much a close part of our family. We do everything together. When dogs grow up, they dont become mean, calculating animals. they dont rob banks, murder, rape, drink and drive, shoot shool playgrounds, or order our military into some farce of a war, just to benefit themselves. And when you beat them or kick em, or starve em, or chain em up in your backyard and then leave for 4 weeks, theyll still love you, and want to hang out. Ever been to a dog rescue? now, ever been to a jail? see the difference? the dogs in doggy jail are still very much lovable. the men in men jail, are very much homosexual rapists, that think up of nothing but how to shank someone.
When you actually get out a little, and see the world from outside of your very very insulated united states of amerika, and find out how horrible people actually are, i think youd change your mind. i can think of a few dogs, that are much better animals than humans are. In every way. I just want to know, why is it, that when people snap, for no reason at all, and just up and stab someone 3 times, its not ok to put them to sleep, when if a dog bites someone, we just HAVE to put THEM to sleep, like theyre some mentally deranged serial killer or something. That makes no sense. and i want to know what god put you in charge, of assigning worth to living things. Who told you that humans are worth more than dogs, or any other thing for that matter. Is it cuz youre a human? are you biased? to kill, is to kill. period. and it should never be done unless it was ABSOLUTELY warranted. animal or otherwise. Only your maker can assign worth junior. and until youve actually had to kill, youll know this.

I do agree however, that most pitbull owners, are what you described. I came up in detroit.. i know the real deal, but nonetheless, its not fair to judge the actual dog, just cuz only inner city morons utilize these animals for wrongdoing... Punish the owner, not the dog. cuz if you dont, then youre being hypocritical. Because that would mean that cuz more people die a year in drunk driving accidents, than any other way, we should also ban cars.. and alcohol... its all or none guy. if youre going to ban dogs, then knives, cars, alcohol and guns have to be banned too.

Theyre just dogs man... just like any other two or four legged things on this planet. You dont just up and ban something, or someone, because of what it was used for. Theyre dogs, not land mines, or thermonuclear devices.
 
Read this and tell me again what was bred out of pit bull dogs. This is just one area of the continent.Discover Vancouver Forum - Pit Bulls Kill More Humans Than Any Other Dog. There are good honest breeders out there that try to do what you say, then theres the rest that dont.
 
68shakenbakemopar said:
Read this and tell me again what was bred out of pit bull dogs. This is just one area of the continent.Discover Vancouver Forum - Pit Bulls Kill More Humans Than Any Other Dog. There are good honest breeders out there that try to do what you say, then theres the rest that dont.
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Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.
This article lists the breeds involved in fatal attacks over 20 years. It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs. These bites result in approximately 12 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten. These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites. There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill.

Many practical alternatives to breed-specific policies exist and hold promise for preventing dog bites. For prevention ideas and model policies for control of dangerous dogs, please see the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) Task Force on Canine Aggression and Human-Canine Interactions: A community approach to dog bite prevention
 
Killing a dog based on breed is simply and profoundly illogical.

Lets apply that same thought process to say fish, it would go something like this...all Bull Sharks should be killed because they have the highest attack ratio on humans.

This is simply a ridiculous argument, the more apt choice would be to place owners as directly responsible for the actions of their pets. As an owner of a Presa Canario (Mankiller according to the standards set forth here) and Two Staffordshire Terriers (also a terrible breed because of their inherent fearlessness) I believe its my duty to keep a handle on these dogs at all times.

In respect to the author of this thread if put in the same situation (as I have been in the past) I would side with cutting the attacking dogs throat (not his back).
 
There have been many news reports about deaths caused by dogs in the USA. The attention given to the homicides has put the spotlight on pit bulls and Rottweilers. There is a very good reason for focusing on these two breeds: in recent years, they have usually been the number one and number two canine killers of humans. (See below, The breeds most likely to kill.) It therefore is correct to single out those two breeds when talking about canine homicides, because those two breeds lately have caused half or more of the deaths -- a disgraceful statistic whether it is regarded as the fault of the dogs, their breeders, their owners, or all three.

However, the focus on death cases may leave the public with the false impression that pit bulls and Rottweilers are responsible for the dog bite epidemic. It is a much broader problem than that, involving all dogs and all dog owners. While pit bulls and Rottweilers inflict a disproportionate number of serious and even fatal injuries, the dog bite epidemic involves many different breeds, and results from many different causes. A clear distinction needs to be made between canine homicides (i.e., incidents in which dogs kill people) and the dog bite epidemic.

Canine inflicted homicides have remained at the same general level (15 to 20 annually), which cannot be said for the number of dog bites, which is too high (5 million annually) and appears to be growing higher (see statistics, above). Considering the fact that there are 65 million dogs in the United States (see above), the homicide problem is minuscule. This is not to denigrate it, but to point out that eliminating it entirely would save only 15 to 20 people, out of the 5 million who are bitten by dogs.

The confusion caused by discussing the homicides and the dog bites in the same breath has its most important ramification in the area of prevention. Some are advocating the banning of pit bulls, Rottweilers and possibly other breeds, for reasons that range from their alleged dangerousness to the fact that they are very often treated inhumanely. Those who hear about the homicides often support breed bans. (See Breed Specific Laws, Regulations and Bans.)

However, while banning the pit bull might lower the number of human deaths, such a ban would probably not reduce the number dog bites in any significant manner. After the United Kingdom banned pit bulls in the 1990s, a study showed that the number of dog bites remained the same even though the number of pit bulls had steeply declined. (Study cited in B. Heady and P. Krause, "Health Benefits and Potential Public Savings Due to Pets: Australian and German Survey Results," Australian Social Monitor, Vol.2, No.2, May 1999.)

As a practical matter, the current tide of public outrage should be focused on the enactment of measures that would deal effectively with the entire epidemic, not merely the breeds that kill. It would be unwise to enact all kinds of controls on one or two breeds, not necessarily because it would be unfair, but because it would produce narrow and therefore unsatisfactory results. The war against crime isn't a war against just the bank robbers, but against all criminals; the war against drugs isn't a war against just the Colombian drug lords, but all drug lords. For the same reason, the dog bite epidemic must not focus on just one or two breeds and stop there. The war on this epidemic must be comprehensive.

To learn more, read Attorney Kenneth Phillips' 10-point plan for Preventing Dog Bites.



The breeds most likely to kill
In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)

The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)

Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)

In Canine homicides and the dog bite epidemic: do not confuse them, it has been pointed out that the dog bite epidemic as a whole involves all dogs and all dog owners, not just the breeds most likely to kill.

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:

Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous.
An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).
Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.
 
Ming65 said:
I was going for a coffee with my brother last year and we were walking along the street with Puff on a leash. Two lovely looking ladies were walking towards us and as we crossed paths with them we smiled and they smiled etc. My brother and I were both single at the time so we thought this was a good thing.

The ladies were both still in earshot when I heard one say to the other 'Isn't that nice to see two gay men out and about without being ashamed':eek:
My brother grumbled 'You're leaving that bloody dog at home next time'.......

So no - she's no macho accessory. :)

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In regards to where I cut the attacker - I guess my concern was to get it to let go asap. Not sure if reaching in to go for the throat would have done that faster - but throat slitting/stabbing were all things I fantasised about while I was still angry cos I wanted that dog dead for sure.

My neighbour said that if he had been home he would have just split it's skull with an iron bar - I gather their visitor is no longer among their closest friends. They also insisted on paying Puff's vetinary bill. The neighbours wife, who witnessed the attack, is still very distressed. Puff is pretty popular around these parts.
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I have a solution to both the problem of big dogs attacking your little one, and having a little one make you look gay.

I have an 8 lb dachsund (and have no idea how to spell it) and I live next to an enclosed dog park where people from all around the neighborhood take their dogs to run around and play. I used to take her there, but the big dogs attacked her. Until I got Hobbes. Hobbes is my 130 lb dog (but looks more like a bear) who never attacks anything or anyone, even when provoked, except to protect the little one. At one point, 2 pitt-bulls tried to eat the little one, and he took them apart. He is an intimidating looking dog from a distance, especially with all his hair. when you meet him, he is as friendly as any dog you could imagine. He sits until you're comfortable, then he will stand up to wag his tail. Utterly unthreatening. He has never bitten anyone, ever. But, when provoked--which is only when he is trying to protect my family or my small dog--he has very large fangs, like 1.5 inches. He will snarl, and show them, and is not even recognizable as the same dog. My point is that he is capable of inflicting serious damage, but never would. Oh, and while the pair get curious glances at their size difference, people rarely disrespect a dog bigger then themselves

btw, the big one is a briard--theyre large shaggy sheepdogs that usually top out at about 80 lbs, mines just freakishly large. I have had many of them, and the biggest factor in their temperment is the breeder, not the breed. Of course how you treat them makes a world of difference, but there exist breeders in the USA that breed dogs like mine specifically to kill. I had to put down one because she was simply vicious. She went out of her way to attack joggers with no provocation and no warning. This is the most dangerous kind of animal because it is unpredictable. Pittbulls are often bred to be violent, and in those cases, that trait is exaggerated and dangerous. The reason that so many dog attacks are from pitt-bulls is that many are now bred specifically to be violent.

(sorry, I'm reading the rest of the post as I write)
Pittbulls-they were originally bred to attack bulls (as their names suggest) and to hold on at all costs. They were specifically bred to bite hard and not let go. The modern adaptation of this talent is to breed them as fighters and protection. At the dog park next to my house, there is a large tree with a low hanging branch. One pittbull used to come to the park and run up the tree and hang on that branch, about 8 feet off the ground, and just hold on. He could do that for half an hour at a time or more. I will reiterate my point from before: it's not the breed, it's the breeder. I have met pittbulls that are very sweet, and i have met some that I needed my big dog to handle. I have had briards that were unpredictable and aggressive to the point that they posed an immediate threat to my own family, and I have had dogs like the one I have now. No amount of love or care can fix the damage that breeders do to the animal by only mating the most dangerous dogs. The result is that some breeds, most notably pittbulls, rottweilers, and dobermans, have 2 very distinct personality types: dangerously violent and unpredictable, or gentle and good-natured. These breeds have a bad rep because it is difficult to tell these personalities apart at a glance, especially at a young age. Once they have matured and that aspect of their personalities surfaces, many people abandon them, and the dog pounds get filled up with killers.

Thus your odds are poor of getting a good animal from a pound, and iffy at best if you just get one from any breeder. I learned this the hard way, and i can say with certainty that Hobbes is the dog he is because his breeder (who lives in arizona, across the country from myself) selects only the animals with the best temperments to breed. She goes to such great lengths to do this that his father was brought all the way from belgium to be bred.
 
I believe people that talk crap about how they have some big dog that never does a thing to nothing till two "pitbulls" attack in a dog park (a teeny dog)are doing just that.Dogs that attack other dogs are not allowed in a dog park, another thing if two pit bulls did really team up on your big mutt they'd kill him. I believe almost nothing of what people set and type online. Its beyond stupid. I think most people here have no idea about dogs. That dog of yours couldn't whip one pit bull no matter what his size let alone "take two apart" that's just a fact,everybody isn't stupid. Some people even if it is online take the time to learn about dogs and the truth. Your breed no matter how large would not have the gameness to take on a fighting dog. Of course it was "two pit bulls" that attacked your teeny one and he "took" them apart. lmao! Thats why so many briards are used in the pit contests because they can take dogs bred to fight apart two at a time. You think they haven't tryed all different breeds to fight? Very few will fight very long at all. You can count them on one hand with fingers left over.I don't belive in dog fighting but I happen to know the truth. Your breed is not one of the ones with deep gameness.
 
jill jackson said:
I believe people that talk crap about how they have some big dog that never does a thing to nothing till two "pitbulls" attack in a dog park (a teeny dog)are doing just that.Dogs that attack other dogs are not allowed in a dog park, another thing if two pit bulls did really team up on your big mutt they'd kill him. I believe almost nothing of what people set and type online. Its beyond stupid. I think most people here have no idea about dogs. That dog of yours couldn't whip one pit bull no matter what his size let alone "take two apart" that's just a fact,everybody isn't stupid. Some people even if it is online take the time to learn about dogs and the truth. Your breed no matter how large would not have the gameness to take on a fighting dog. Of course it was "two pit bulls" that attacked your teeny one and he "took" them apart. lmao! Thats why so many briards are used in the pit contests because they can take dogs bred to fight apart two at a time. You think they haven't tryed all different breeds to fight? Very few will fight very long at all. You can count them on one hand with fingers left over.I don't belive in dog fighting but I happen to know the truth. Your breed is not one of the ones with deep gameness.
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Not to add to the thread hijack in progress but....

Jill Jackson you have alot to learn about dogs. Through personal experience I have seen a chocolate lab of a hundred pounds tear through two male pitbulls and I have seen a pitbull mix rip a Pyrenees Mastiff apart. Being from a class of people that raised dogs to fight (I am not proud of the background) boars, dogs or bulls it saddens me the conviction with which you print your rhetoric.
A dog by by breed has virtues but any dog on any given day can attack and kill. I recently took my Presa to the vet and he in turn was attacked by Shih Tzu, funny, definitely. But not for the Shih Tzu's owner when Porter got him by the fur of his tail and scared both owner and dog to tinkle.
 
to the skeptic: pictures of the dog:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8030/multimedia20messageei3.jpg
that's him at the foot of the bed
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1568/multimediamessage2hv9.jpg
him by the door
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9546/hallwayqe9.jpg
for reference, this is the hallway, looking in the opposite direction from the last picture (just for scale, he's not in this one)
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9612/livingroomzl5.jpg
another picture for scale, this is the room to the left of the third picture above.

why talk shit?
 
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