People who blatantly and fraudulently sell knives as hand made when they are blanks..

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Well I don't think much of his customer base is from this forum. The awareness is great; however, I don't think it will do anything. I suppose we could continue to message him or post on his Facebook page but I don't see it adding up for anything.

That aside, my question is what do we really want, given what we know about his business? Publicly shun him? Ask him to be more transparent in his business? In other words, how do you want him to reciprocate for his actions? And is it even reasonable, viable, or possible to enforce such action? I too am a bit distraught upon finding out about this, but at the moment this thread is only serving a room to vent out your anger or displeasure with William's Knife co action's.

In my opinion he should be called out for the fraud that he is. He is a phony knifemaker who has been given recognition in the media for accomplishments that are fabricated. He does not make knives, he puts handles on kit knives. He should have to apologize to every customer he has ever sold a knife to and offer them a refund. If he wants to continue selling kit knives that is fine by me but they should be clearly identified as such. I saw a thread on another forum that he sends out a card with the knives that says something like "I don't like to send out very sharp blades for safety reasons". It seems he doesn't even like to sharpen the blade blanks.

I might be a little bit bitter about this issue because I think I was sold a kit knife by another maker. Regardless he is taking advantage of people and should be stopped.
 
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Good evening to all. My apologies for being remiss in not responding sooner but my kids start school back next week and I've taken some much needed time with them prior to their return to the rigorous schedule of elementary school and all that goes along with it.

I will not get into a war of words on this site, as honestly I'm not much of a forum kind of guy or an individual looking for confrontation, etc. I like to spend time with my family, work in my shop and do my best to be a valuable member of this crazy society in which we live.

I tell you this to say that out of respect for any of you guys offended or troubled by me or my work, it is not nor was not my intentions. Quite the contrary actually. Not my style at all. Again, I enjoy my time on this earth doing something I love and trying my best as a man to support my family and be as much of an active part of their lives as possible. Simply that. Not to go to shows, compete in competitions, try to win accreditations, etc. Not what I want to do. My grandfather who was an incredible man taught me what a knife was. He was a man of extremely humble means and if something broke, he fixed it, himself. Whether running a very crude grinder to make a piece of steel sharp or replacing an old oak handle on a knife that he just couldn't part with.

Do I use CNC'ed blades in a portion of my work? Absolutely I do. Are these "cheap/junk", I do everything in my power to make sure they are not and work very closely as well as having investments in several machining operations. Do I buy knives off eBay? I do not. I know this will get backlash, but I just don't buy from ebay. Do I have very solid relationships with very good people in the knife industry that have helped me design styles, etc and then help to produce ideas, absolutely I do and most of these connections were made through the help of some very very good knifemakers I have gotten to know in my area. This is one reason a long time ago I decided to join forces from an investment standpoint within the machining industry. One thing I absolutely love is consistency and durability. Putting practices in place to insure this is of the utmost importance to me. I want a very good end product that I can absolutely stand behind. While my business model might not look like yours, it is the one that I can guarantee and live with. Do some of my knife styles look like others, of course they do. How many times can the traditional trout fillet be redesigned? I'm not attempting with this to start a long war of words or a "he said, she said". I'm trying to explain to the angry mob that my intentions are not to detract from the integrity, hardwork and intensity that a master blade smith is doing in his work. As a result many of them reap countless rewards and vast sums of money per knife. I congratulate them for this and wish everyone in this community the best! Again, I don't degrade other makers, I don't knock their work, I honestly look at my work as a business for me to support my family, not a competition and certainly not an ego boost. Plain and simple. I am man enough to give any one of you guys my address, phone number, etc and will gladly have you to my shop, or talk to you man to man. I have nothing to hide from you or anyone and am man enough to welcome any of you into my world to see me as a person. I am a good person and not this disrespectful thug many of you seem to be portraying me as. I am sorry if you think/thought otherwise.

One thing I will defend is this. The oyster knife design is my design. I will stand before the Good Man above and tell you that exact fact. Has it been copies and reproduced, mass produced now with a hidden tang and with a full tang...it has. Am I worried about it? Not one bit. This is absolutely a free market and a society in which capitalism is encouraged. So no business idea, product etc is safe from this type of duplication. If I would have ever thought so, I would have attempted to seek a patent, etc. But how in good faith would I do that if I'm using a trout fillet design or traditional chef design that had been around long before any of us here were even breathing on this earth. You can agree or disagree with me, it's totally your right and I'm respectful that a person's opinion is just that...there's!

I have taken steps to remove any misleading verbiage (or at least my tech buddy is working on it) to ensure there are no claims that are not 100% correct on the site. The use of "FROM blade...to sheath" is not 100% correct, although the intent at the time was to say it was going "From" one thing to another. No matter, it is being removed and hope you know I'm doing this because I have enough respect for the knife community to do so.

I will leave this discussion with two quick thoughts I take away from the last few hours of reading this stuff. 1) The "removal" of posts, etc were done because often they were laden with profanity and comments that I would not let me child look at. Plain and simple, it offended me and I don't condone that in their worlds. 2) There were attacks on me and my family. I will take any words thrown at me, but I will not put up with that crap towards my loved ones. Zero tolerance there. 3) The rude comments about me "not working hard", etc...they were uncalled for. I literally bust my rear end, everyday, from sun up to sun down. My work ethic is not something I will have questioned. Who is to say that the "starting point" to be a valid hard working knife maker is from the steel billet...why then could one not say that a "real hard working" knife maker is starting with the gathering of ore from the ground. It doesn't make sense to me that a person can blindly attack my character because he or she thinks something is only done one way or it's not "right". I'm sorry but I don't agree with that.

Once again, I appreciate the comments. I honestly do. I'm just a normal simple guy trying to do a good job at life. I provide for my obligations and my family, I buy tons of goods from all kinds of kind people across the world that generates revenues for them, I employee several guys who depend on our hardwork to support their lives, I pay my taxes, and I donate countless items, money and time to more causes than you could possibly imagine.

What I don't do is offend, disrespect or get involved in people's business or lives. Sorry if I have interfered with yours in some way. Do what you will with this response, gather and process your own personal thoughts. I am stopping for a second as a fellow human being, not a knife maker, and telling you all that I respect each and every one of you as a fellow being. I hope in some little way you might be able to gleam just a tad that I'm not that bad of a guy in all honesty.

All my best to everyone and I am sorry for any trouble, offense or hardship I might have unintentionally exposed you to. Feel free to let me know if you'd like to discuss any of this live with me, I am open to it anytime!
 
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I would like to add one more thing, for the person who has taken it on himself to begin emailing businesses I work with on a daily basis, that literally help me provide for my family...I honestly don't see how that does you, yourself, one bit of good. What is the benefit for you personally? If you can educate me on how this is beneficial to you, this forum community or who possibly made you the all mighty decider of what a knife business should look like, I'd appreciate it. Unfortunately it's selfish acts like these that make our society what it is today. Your email was not even factual. You will remain unnamed on here because I won't stoop to those levels, but knife forum community...take notice...is this the kind of behavior that is intended by forming this community, is this the example? I am going to think this is probably the exception.
 
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Good evening to all. My apologies for being remiss in not responding sooner but my kids start school back next week and I've taken some much needed time with them prior to their return to the rigorous schedule of elementary school and all that goes along with it.

I will not get into a war of words on this site, as honestly I'm not much of a forum kind of guy or an individual looking for confrontation, etc. I like to spend time with my family, work in my shop and do my best to be a valuable member of this crazy society in which we live.

I tell you this to say that out of respect for any of you guys offended or troubled by me or my work, it is not nor was not my intentions. Quite the contrary actually. Not my style at all. Again, I enjoy my time on this earth doing something I love and trying my best as a man to support my family and be as much of an active part of their lives as possible. Simply that. Not to go to shows, compete in competitions, try to win accreditations, etc. Not what I want to do. My grandfather who was an incredible man taught me what a knife was. He was a man of extremely humble means and if something broke, he fixed it, himself. Whether running a very crude grinder to make a piece of steel sharp or replacing an old oak handle on a knife that he just couldn't part with.

Do I use CNC'ed blades in a portion of my work? Absolutely I do. Are these "cheap/junk", I do everything in my power to make sure they are not and work very closely as well as having investments in several machining operations. Do I buy knives off eBay? I do not. I know this will get backlash, but I just don't buy from ebay. Do I have very solid relationships with very good people in the knife industry that have helped me design styles, etc and then help to produce ideas, absolutely I do and most of these connections were made through the help of some very very good knifemakers I have gotten to know in my area. This is one reason a long time ago I decided to join forces from an investment standpoint within the machining industry. One thing I absolutely love is consistency and durability. Putting practices in place to insure this is of the utmost importance to me. I want a very good end product that I can absolutely stand behind. While my business model might not look like yours, it is the one that I can guarantee and live with. Do some of my knife styles look like others, of course they do. How many times can the traditional trout fillet be redesigned? I'm not attempting with this to start a long war of words or a "he said, she said". I'm trying to explain to the angry mob that my intentions are not to detract from the integrity, hardwork and intensity that a master blade smith is doing in his work. As a result many of them reap countless rewards and vast sums of money per knife. I congratulate them for this and wish everyone in this community the best! Again, I don't degrade other makers, I don't knock their work, I honestly look at my work as a business for me to support my family, not a competition and certainly not an ego boost. Plain and simple. I am man enough to give any one of you guys my address, phone number, etc and will gladly have you to my shop, or talk to you man to man. I have nothing to hide from you or anyone and am man enough to welcome any of you into my world to see me as a person. I am a good person and not this disrespectful thug many of you seem to be portraying me as. I am sorry if you think/thought otherwise.

One thing I will defend is this. The oyster knife design is my design. I will stand before the Good Man above and tell you that exact fact. Has it been copies and reproduced, mass produced now with a hidden tang and with a full tang...it has. Am I worried about it? Not one bit. This is absolutely a free market and a society in which capitalism is encouraged. So no business idea, product etc is safe from this type of duplication. If I would have ever thought so, I would have attempted to seek a patent, etc. But how in good faith would I do that if I'm using a trout fillet design or traditional chef design that had been around long before any of us here were even breathing on this earth. You can agree or disagree with me, it's totally your right and I'm respectful that a person's opinion is just that...theirs!

I have taken steps to remove any misleading verbiage (or at least my tech buddy is working on it) to ensure there are no claims that are not 100% correct on the site. The use of "FROM blade...to sheath" is not 100% correct, although the intent at the time was to say it was going "From" one thing to another. No matter, it is being removed and hope you know I'm doing this because I have enough respect for the knife community to do so.

I will leave this discussion with two quick thoughts I take away from the last few hours of reading this stuff. 1) The "removal" of posts, etc were done because often they were laden with profanity and comments that I would not let me child look at. Plain and simple, it offended me and I don't condone that in their worlds. 2) There were attacks on me and my family. I will take any words thrown at me, but I will not put up with that crap towards my loved ones. Zero tolerance there. 3) The rude comments about me "not working hard", etc...they were uncalled for. I literally bust my rear end, everyday, from sun up to sun down. My work ethic is not something I will have questioned. Who is to say that the "starting point" to be a valid hard working knife maker is from the steel billet...why then could one not say that a "real hard working" knife maker is starting with the gathering of ore from the ground. It doesn't make sense to me that a person can blindly attack my character because he or she thinks something is only done one way or it's not "right". I'm sorry but I don't agree with that.

Once again, I appreciate the comments. I honestly do. I'm just a normal simple guy trying to do a good job at life. I provide for my obligations and my family, I buy tons of goods from all kinds of kind people across the world that generates revenues for them, I employee several guys who depend on our hardwork to support their lives, I pay my taxes, and I donate countless items, money and time to more causes than you could possibly imagine.

What I don't do is offend, disrespect or get involved in people's business or lives. Sorry if I have interfered with yours in some way. Do what you will with this response, gather and process your own personal thoughts. I am stopping for a second as a fellow human being, not a knife maker, and telling you all that I respect each and every one of you as a fellow being. I hope in some little way you might be able to gleam just a tad that I'm not that bad of a guy in all honesty.

All my best to everyone and I am sorry for any trouble, offense or hardship I might have unintentionally exposed you to. Feel free to let me know if you'd like to discuss any of this live with me, I am open to it anytime!



So you do use Jantz blades?
 
Just goes to show you, its important to do your research before laying down your money. let's make an example out of this guy, I'm sure he knew it was only a matter of time.

that vimeo video made me cringe, pathetic.
 
As long as you are clear they are not handmade by you but machine made "for You". Many of us spend hours at the grinder making blades and to us "Handmade" means just that.
 
Chris, Thank you for your thoughtful and measured response. I appreciate it, and respect you for it.

Abstract, I see you used your very first post to for a long quote we had all just read and then ask one short redundant question.
(welcome to Blade Forums by the way). If you had taken the time to do some research you would have found one of the sources of Chris' blades, and that was found very easily right under everyone's nose. Someone says he uses Jantz blades, someone else says they are exactly like So and So knife supply, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam. Well most of you are wrong, so go do your research again......like I did.

Now before some of you short timers start calling me Fan Boy, let me inform you that I never even heard of the Williams Knife Company until this thread started. The thread piqued my interest and I did my research. What I found is a sharp young man who has a handle on how to create and run a successful business, something it would appear that many of you are jealous of.

Some of your (collectively) greatest "Heroes" create their knives (that have the fan base near orgasm) the very same way Williams creates his. He uses technology to increase his ability to put out good product. Yeah, GOOD PRODUCT!!! unless you are ready to say Jantz, or any of the other supplier put out crap in their kit knives. I really doubt you could buy the same blades Williams uses from one of the suppliers because.......well do your research like I did.

In parting let me say, I'm 80 years old and I've been around BF quite a while. It takes a pretty smart man to piss me off (I just laugh and ignore the rest of them). Don't waste you time flaming me because I won't waste mine answering you. Tonight when you go to bed, let you mind wonder and imagine what it would be like if YOU had a successful business.......(that may be too much for some of you)..... and a bunch of self appointed "Protectors of the Buying Public" were for no really good reason trying to destroy you.

Paul
 
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Thank you Paul. Your message is certainly appreciated and I'm very humbled by it. It's funny...I have long seen your work and "ewed and awed" over it. My hats off to you for your decades of hardwork and obvious mastering of your craft. I have some great friends in the leather industry (not the knife related...more bags, etc) and I have great admiration for the craft! Another side note...in 2008 (I think...years run together now) I built my first electro-etching unit from Chris Crawford's tutorial/plans. I am so thankful for his sharing of that knowledge and myself being a very novice electrician, felt like I had solved the Rubix Cube when I finally got mine to work. Small world and a reminder to me that even in our most darkest moments, if we look to the right Man for guidance and willfully turn it over...He reminds us each time in often subtle ways that He's right beside us, boots pulled up, ready to navigate the storm! Again, thank you Paul...this is only my 3rd post ever on any "forum" of any kind, so I'm not sure of protocol, but I'm glad it was to give a "hat's off" to good man! All my best!
 
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Good evening to all. My apologies for being remiss in not responding sooner but my kids start school back next week and I've taken some much needed time with them prior to their return to the rigorous schedule of elementary school and all that goes along with it.

I will not get into a war of words on this site, as honestly I'm not much of a forum kind of guy or an individual looking for confrontation, etc. I like to spend time with my family, work in my shop and do my best to be a valuable member of this crazy society in which we live.

I tell you this to say that out of respect for any of you guys offended or troubled by me or my work, it is not nor was not my intentions. Quite the contrary actually. Not my style at all. Again, I enjoy my time on this earth doing something I love and trying my best as a man to support my family and be as much of an active part of their lives as possible. Simply that. Not to go to shows, compete in competitions, try to win accreditations, etc. Not what I want to do. My grandfather who was an incredible man taught me what a knife was. He was a man of extremely humble means and if something broke, he fixed it, himself. Whether running a very crude grinder to make a piece of steel sharp or replacing an old oak handle on a knife that he just couldn't part with.

Do I use CNC'ed blades in a portion of my work? Absolutely I do. Are these "cheap/junk", I do everything in my power to make sure they are not and work very closely as well as having investments in several machining operations. Do I buy knives off eBay? I do not. I know this will get backlash, but I just don't buy from ebay. Do I have very solid relationships with very good people in the knife industry that have helped me design styles, etc and then help to produce ideas, absolutely I do and most of these connections were made through the help of some very very good knifemakers I have gotten to know in my area. This is one reason a long time ago I decided to join forces from an investment standpoint within the machining industry. One thing I absolutely love is consistency and durability. Putting practices in place to insure this is of the utmost importance to me. I want a very good end product that I can absolutely stand behind. While my business model might not look like yours, it is the one that I can guarantee and live with. Do some of my knife styles look like others, of course they do. How many times can the traditional trout fillet be redesigned? I'm not attempting with this to start a long war of words or a "he said, she said". I'm trying to explain to the angry mob that my intentions are not to detract from the integrity, hardwork and intensity that a master blade smith is doing in his work. As a result many of them reap countless rewards and vast sums of money per knife. I congratulate them for this and wish everyone in this community the best! Again, I don't degrade other makers, I don't knock their work, I honestly look at my work as a business for me to support my family, not a competition and certainly not an ego boost. Plain and simple. I am man enough to give any one of you guys my address, phone number, etc and will gladly have you to my shop, or talk to you man to man. I have nothing to hide from you or anyone and am man enough to welcome any of you into my world to see me as a person. I am a good person and not this disrespectful thug many of you seem to be portraying me as. I am sorry if you think/thought otherwise.

One thing I will defend is this. The oyster knife design is my design. I will stand before the Good Man above and tell you that exact fact. Has it been copied and reproduced, mass produced now with a hidden tang and with a full tang...it has. Am I worried about it? Not one bit. This is absolutely a free market and a society in which capitalism is encouraged. So no business idea, product etc is safe from this type of duplication. If I would have ever thought so, I would have attempted to seek a patent, etc. But how in good faith would I do that if I'm using a trout fillet design or traditional chef design that had been around long before any of us here were even breathing on this earth. You can agree or disagree with me, it's totally your right and I'm respectful that a person's opinion is just that...theirs!

I have taken steps to remove any misleading verbiage (or at least my tech buddy is working on it) to ensure there are no claims that are not 100% correct on the site. The use of "FROM blade...to sheath" is not 100% correct, although the intent at the time was to say it was going "From" one thing to another. No matter, it is being removed and hope you know I'm doing this because I have enough respect for the knife community to do so.

I will leave this discussion with two quick thoughts I take away from the last few hours of reading this stuff. 1) The "removal" of posts, etc were done because often they were laden with profanity and comments that I would not let me child look at. Plain and simple, it offended me and I don't condone that in their worlds. 2) There were attacks on me and my family. I will take any words thrown at me, but I will not put up with that crap towards my loved ones. Zero tolerance there. 3) The rude comments about me "not working hard", etc...they were uncalled for. I literally bust my rear end, everyday, from sun up to sun down. My work ethic is not something I will have questioned. Who is to say that the "starting point" to be a valid hard working knife maker is from the steel billet...why then could one not say that a "real hard working" knife maker is starting with the gathering of ore from the ground. It doesn't make sense to me that a person can blindly attack my character because he or she thinks something is only done one way or it's not "right". I'm sorry but I don't agree with that.

Once again, I appreciate the comments. I honestly do. I'm just a normal simple guy trying to do a good job at life. I provide for my obligations and my family, I buy tons of goods from all kinds of kind people across the world that generates revenues for them, I employee several guys who depend on our hardwork to support their lives, I pay my taxes, and I donate countless items, money and time to more causes than you could possibly imagine.

What I don't do is offend, disrespect or get involved in people's business or lives. Sorry if I have interfered with yours in some way. Do what you will with this response, gather and process your own personal thoughts. I am stopping for a second as a fellow human being, not a knife maker, and telling you all that I respect each and every one of you as a fellow being. I hope in some little way you might be able to gleam just a tad that I'm not that bad of a guy in all honesty.

All my best to everyone and I am sorry for any trouble, offense or hardship I might have unintentionally exposed you to. Feel free to let me know if you'd like to discuss any of this live with me, I am open to it anytime!


Kinda just wanted info on the free sticker.
 
Just goes to show you, its important to do your research before laying down your money. let's make an example out of this guy, I'm sure he knew it was only a matter of time.

that vimeo video made me cringe, pathetic.

Actually no, this forum is not a battleground for lynch mobs. If it turns into such, the thread will be locked and infractions handed out as necessary. There is a right way and a wrong way to do just about everything.
 
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Chris, Thank you for your thoughtful and measured response. I appreciate it, and respect you for it.

Abstract, I see you used your very first post to for a long quote we had all just read and then ask one short redundant question.
(welcome to Blade Forums by the way). If you had taken the time to do some research you would have found one of the sources of Chris' blades, and that was found very easily right under everyone's nose. Someone says he uses Jantz blades, someone else says they are exactly like So and So knife supply, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam. Well most of you are wrong, so go do your research again......like I did.

Now before some of you short timers start calling me Fan Boy, let me inform you that I never even heard of the Williams Knife Company until this thread started. The thread piqued my interest and I did my research. What I found is a sharp young man who has a handle on how to create and run a successful business, something it would appear that many of you are jealous of.

Some of your (collectively) greatest "Heroes" create their knives (that have the fan base near orgasm) the very same way Williams creates his. He uses technology to increase his ability to put out good product. Yeah, GOOD PRODUCT!!! unless you are ready to say Jantz, or any of the other supplier put out crap in their kit knives. I really doubt you could buy the same blades Williams uses from one of the suppliers because.......well do your research like I did.

In parting let me say, I'm 80 years old and I've been around BF quite a while. It takes a pretty smart man to piss me off (I just laugh and ignore the rest of them). Don't waste you time flaming me because I won't waste mine answering you. Tonight when you go to bed, let you mind wonder and imagine what it would be like if YOU had a successful business.......(that may be too much for some of you)..... and a bunch of self appointed "Protectors of the Buying Public" were for no really good reason trying to destroy you.

Paul

You seem to be quick to defend this guy. Care to share your research with us? It might help to clear his name because this isn't looking good. I guess we have different ideas of what a successful business is. There is a difference between running an efficient business and misleading customers into buying something that they don't want. If I owned one of his knives I would be irate.
 
I'm all for giving this guy a fair shot, like everyone deserves, but so far the defense has been pretty vague. Sheathmaker, why not share what you've found about the guy and help clear his name? Why be so vague about what your "research" revealed? The issue here is not that he can run a successful business, the issue is right in the title... selling blanks as handmade. He could just as soon run a successful business while being more open and honest about how his knifes are made.

Rev is right, though. The guy had enough clout to come here and defend himself, and we owe it to him to at least be respectful.
 
Chris, You deleted my comment on your Viemo video, I in no way used profanity . I simply stated that your mother must be proud of you. I do believe that you delete the negative comments more to protect your business than to protect the sensitive readers. I will ask a yes or no question of you. Do you purchase knife blanks that are pre ground and sharpened and put your handles on them?
 
It looks like the sentence about Chris making knives "from blade to sheath" has been removed. Does that completely resolve the issue?
 
It looks like the sentence about Chris making knives "from blade to sheath" has been removed. Does that completely resolve the issue?

His site states "...each knife is custom-made by hand...", which while technically true since he puts scales on the knife manually, to me is misleading. I can't say I agree with the ethics of his business practices, but I am also not one of his past, present, or future customers. Transparency would go a long way for his business, in my opinion, but that's up to him to decide.
 
No this does not resolve the issue. Most people who might buy these knives are uninformed buyers who do not know the difference between completely hand made or custom and assembled using a pre-made blank.

Say you were not a member of this forum but you were a knife collector. You see these knives in a shop or online and decide to buy one for $300. You receive it and am happy with it. Then your neighbor comes over with a knife supply catalog and you see the same blade blank for $25. Would you be upset that you paid $300 for a knife with $50 of materials in it and maybe an hour of time? I certainly would be.

As a custom knife maker I make all my blades from scratch, grind all the bevels, heat treat them, sand, polish and build the handles. I have the shop pictures to prove I have the equipment and have done plenty of WIP threads to show that I do the work. Don't believe me, come visit my shop. I have been making knives for 20yrs+ and I take pride in my work. My name and my abilities are the foundation for my business.

In this business all you have is your word and your reputation.
 
Double posted somehow, 10 minutes apart. No idea how it happened, my apologies.
 
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No this does not resolve the issue. Most people who might buy these knives are uninformed buyers who do not know the difference between completely hand made or custom and assembled using a pre-made blank.

Say you were not a member of this forum but you were a knife collector. You see these knives in a shop or online and decide to buy one for $300. You receive it and am happy with it. Then your neighbor comes over with a knife supply catalog and you see the same blade blank for $25. Would you be upset that you paid $300 for a knife with $50 of materials in it and maybe an hour of time? I certainly would be.

As a custom knife maker I make all my blades from scratch, grind all the bevels, heat treat them, sand, polish and build the handles. I have the shop pictures to prove I have the equipment and have done plenty of WIP threads to show that I do the work. Don't believe me, come visit my shop. I have been making knives for 20yrs+ and I take pride in my work. My name and my abilities are the foundation for my business.

In this business all you have is your word and your reputation.

Thanks for the post Chuck, I appreciate your input, perspective, ethic, and your work over all.
 
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