Peter demmer of terrier blades buyer beware

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I suspect he realized this build was going to be a nightmare and decided to stop. I don't blame him at all for stopping but he should have refunded his money.
 
Did you send the information about how you wanted the heat treating done before or after he informed you that the blank had been cut?
 
It seems to me you may have driven him crazy to the point he just threw up his hands and said enough. You are still entitled to your money back because he canceled the job. Unless you signed something stating deposits are non refundable.
 
If you came into my shop and asked me to fix your car, Then proceed to tell me how. I would push your car out the door and ask you to leave. I agree he should give back the $150 as he could finish the knife and sell it. But in my opinion you are as much to blame as him.
 
JohnWE said:
Did you send the information about how you wanted the heat treating done before or after he informed you that the blank had been cut?
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Months before and I didn't tell him anything everyone seems to be drawing that conclusion. All I did was ask.
 
wensynch said:
Any special commissioned work once performance has begun or special orders are typically no refund. In almost all cases.

The guy ordered a part to begin making a knife that isn't wanted anymore. Irrelevant whether crafter is able to mitigate by finding another buyer at a later point.

All agreements should be in its entirety prior to performance and execution. In writing. That's proper business.

Bolsters it would seem would have been included if the sample or reference had Bolsters as well, or you indicated you wanted boltsters.

But again, look at the contract. Did you enter one? In writing? Well then, pretty much assed out, if your agreement is by just words, unless crafter wants to and you ask nicely for refund.
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With a few exceptions (sale of real estate) contracts can be oral. They are usually always in words, oral or written, but may be by conduct (You push the six-pack across the counter with money. The clerk rings it up. Offer and acceptance.)

There are, of course, issues of proof when there is no writing setting out the agreement.

Trying to renegotiate an existing contract just increases the chances of problems.
 
^ Yes. That's right.

Statute of Fraud applies here as the good here is over $500.

Now by saying assed out, I'm not saying he has no recourse, as it's there's always small claims to attempt to collect money paid, then the buyer has to weigh whether costs & time over that whether money paid. That includes coming in with nothing but an oral k, some sort of receipt/acknowledgement of money paid and reflecting some sort of agreement.

Partial payment and performance commenced is sufficient to bind the k, there's no meat though.. and that's where it gets sticky.

Getting the agreement in writing, beforehand, can avoid such nuances. Best initial approach in situations like these is first to try asking nicely. Not only do peeps get distracted and encumbered when requests are added but there's also the possibility that the modified work ends up crap, not to satisfaction, and ends up different then original plans.

Good luck.
 
Two people say Mr. Demmer is a stand up business man and one says he has a contractual dispute with the knifemaker of his own making that was not handled to his satisfaction...Right now, I'd prefer to believe the positive :)

None of us know the terms of the contract.
 
Regardless of what public opinion here may be as to what is right, you need to re-establish communication with the knife maker and try to work something out.
Here is Tel: 250 788 6235 ( form his web site)
I would call him , explain how you are new to the process, and apologize if you were annoying. See if he will finish the knife as planed, finish sell and refund your money, or just refund your money. As things stand now, you are screwed. You need to see if you can change that, and that can only be done through communication.
Good luck
 
Peter Hartwig said:
Regardless of what public opinion here may be as to what is right, you need to re-establish communication with the knife maker and try to work something out.
Here is Tel: 250 788 6235 ( form his web site)
I would call him , explain how you are new to the process, and apologize if you were annoying. See if he will finish the knife as planed, finish sell and refund your money, or just refund your money. As things stand now, you are screwed. You need to see if you can change that, and that can only be done through communication.
Good luck
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Iv tried calling and emailing
 
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noob93 said:
Ya iv pretty much just accepted the loss I just wanted people to know he's a fraudulent business man
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There are possibly some easy options available to you for getting your deposit back, depending on how you paid.

If it was by CC and you're still able, file a chargeback.

If it was via PayPal and you're still able, file a claim through PayPal.

You were an annoying customer, sure. But him sending you the knife blank and keeping your money is inexcusable.

Of course if you just want to roll over and take the loss, that's your prerogative.
 
9Nine said:
There are possibly some easy options available to you for getting your deposit back, depending on how you paid.

If it was by CC and you're still able, file a chargeback.

If it was via PayPal and you're still able, file a claim through PayPal.

You were an annoying customer, sure. But him sending you the knife blank and keeping your money is inexcusable.

Of course if you just want to roll over and take the loss, that's your prerogative.
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No the payment was made through an etransfer with a debit card. I can certainly look and try to find it. Thanks for the advice.
 
true north said:
It seems to me like Peter Demmer owes the man his $150 deposit back, since it was Demmer who cancelled the order and not the customer. To keep the deposit and cancel the order, leaving the man with nothing for his $150 is unethical at best in my book; at worst it's unlawful.

There are too many knife makers out there who do outstanding work and conduct their business in an ethical manner to put up with such nonsense.

I will not be spending any money with Demmer after reading this story.
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How do you figure? Demmer said he's going to give this guy the blank. So, he's at least getting that, and honestly, sounds to me like it's all he deserves. Scope creep, and demanding one maker use another maker's procedure is nonsense.
 
Quiet said:
How do you figure? Demmer said he's going to give this guy the blank. So, he's at least getting that, and honestly, sounds to me like it's all he deserves. Scope creep, and demanding one maker use another maker's procedure is nonsense.
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I think you have a poor understanding of business and possibly a bit of dyslexia. I never demanded anything I asked and it wasn't from another makers protocol the guy was a metallurgist named Roman Landes smh
 
noob93 said:
I think you have a poor understanding of business and possibly a bit of dyslexia. I never demanded anything I asked and it wasn't from another makers protocol the guy was a metallurgist named Roman Landes smh
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Yeeaahhh, I think I see why the maker decided you weren't worth dealing with. Good luck! :thumbup:
 
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