Peter demmer of terrier blades buyer beware

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palonej said:
I'd say Mr Demmer is a good judge of character. OP didn't get what he was looking for here, look how he reacted.
You choose a maker because you trust him to make a knife........not to tell him how to make it.
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OP you should listen to this, generally you do not pick a maker and tell them how to do their processes. Each makers have their own process and what works for one will not work for another.

I would like to add this though, heat treating for most makers is not an exact science, there are so many variables that you asking for a specific heat treat is not reasonable. This maker has the blank cut so he isn't making the steel, steels from different places have different characteristics even if they are named the same steel. The processes, seat treat and grinding cause a lot of variation, not to mention if they maker even has testing equipment. So guys that get so infatuatated with a hrc of 60 vs 61 on a certain steel.... But fail to realize the hardness tester used (if a maker even has one, and that's if tent do their own ht) is like +\- 2........

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

I think this was not an agreeable project and the best is to have refunded you even if that cost him some money. My generally policy is to hold the money in an account and I don't touch it till after the 1 month trial period I give to my customers. I do this because I had an issue where after I completed the knife and the customer was happy, he ran into serious money problems. The knife was $4k and I used that money to buy some more very expensive equipment, but as I said I have a 1 month return period so I refunded him after knife arrived. Luckily he knife was sold within minutes of posting. This taught me a lesson not to spend the money until it's all settled.

The same customer contacted me and asked to have another build, I politely said no because my books are closed forever.

I think there are times when a maker just has to say no and cancel an order, but the refund part is very tricky because of the material cost and labor. I think the maker handled this correct in wanting to send the blank to the OP.

There is no need to get crazy and fighting with posters in here, be respectful that they have a difference of opinion.
 
Great to hear from you Mike!! Hope you're doing well my friend!!
It would be nice if the OP had a little respect for other's opinions, but if our opinions differ with his, it seems those people do not deserve any respect.
Shame.
Joe
 
palonej said:
Great to hear from you Mike!! Hope you're doing well my friend!!
It would be nice if the OP had a little respect for other's opinions, but if our opinions differ with his, it seems those people do not deserve any respect.
Shame.
Joe
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Well if it's you or anyone elses opinion that I was such a terrible customer that I deserved to be thieved, or its even acceptable then ya I have no respect for you.
 
So I guess it's not cheaper to get a custom knife in Canada than a production knife.

Good to know.
 
I have been making knives a few years now . I dont take money down often but I have a few times . At this point in my life I usually just make a knife or two and sell it . Not to bash on customers because at the end of the day thats how the revenue comes in .. But I would have declined your project too . Not because I think your a bad person , Its just I dont like people interjecting their HT opinions . I know of the people you used in your argument and I am sure they have specific reasons they do things .

Personally I would have sent the money back . But he also has some valid arguments regarding how he felt and you have yours . Just move on . Just remeber just because a person doesn't do youtube videos and doesn't agree with your input doesn't mean he is a bad maker . If I could give you some advise going forward I would tell you to spell out what you want up front and let the guy make your knife .
 
noob93 said:
Well if it's you or anyone elses opinion that I was such a terrible customer that I deserved to be thieved, or its even acceptable then ya I have no respect for you.
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You keep using that word "thieved", it's not a real word.
 
Marko3 said:
I have been making knives a few years now . I dont take money down often but I have a few times . At this point in my life I usually just make a knife or two and sell it . Not to bash on customers because at the end of the day thats how the revenue comes in .. But I would have declined your project too . Not because I think your a bad person , Its just I dont like people interjecting their HT opinions . I know of the people you used in your argument and I am sure they have specific reasons they do things .

Personally I would have sent the money back . But he also has some valid arguments regarding how he felt and you have yours . Just move on . Just remeber just because a person doesn't do youtube videos and doesn't agree with your input doesn't mean he is a bad maker . If I could give you some advise going forward I would tell you to spell out what you want up front and let the guy make your knife .
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No I get that I bugged the guy for sure no question. I just don't think that justifies what he did. I have worked for people that have had me restart a whole job and I didn't decline although that's mostly because I was subbing.
 
noob93 said:
Thieved is the past tense or past participle of thieve. Stop trolling my thread please.
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YOUR thread? Hmmmm. I just googled 'Colton Kroon'. Search engine says you are a multiple sex offender and long term habitual predator. Wtf (??)


Way over the line.
 
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noob93 said:
Well if it's you or anyone elses opinion that I was such a terrible customer that I deserved to be thieved, or its even acceptable then ya I have no respect for you.
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JohnWE said:
You keep using that word "thieved", it's not a real word.
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noob93 said:
Thieved is the past tense or past participle of thieve. Stop trolling my thread please.
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You're right, it is a real word. However, in the structure that you're using it, you're claiming that the knifemaker stole YOU. "I deserved to be thieved" is the same as "I deserved to be stolen". Which makes no sense.

Now back on topic, these threads never get anywhere because it's following the same model. You asked for opinions and don't like the replies on the situation. You paid a deposit for a job that you kept changing, ultimately having the maker cancel the job on you....after completing some of the job. That's the key here.

You as a "subbie" wouldn't want to be doing work for free if the total job wasn't completed, right? That's how this maker feels. He kept the deposit because that money accounted for the time that he spent setting up the build with you, buying the raw material, cutting the blank, answering all of your emails, phone calls, and responding. This is all time that he could have been spending getting further with your knife or working on someone else's. He's willing to send you the blank that proves what the deposit got you, the work thus far, not a completed job.
 
Quiet said:
Thank you for setting mbp straight, he clearly needed the help. "You're not paying for anyone's time! The knife magically makes itself!"

Criminy.
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IMO, the final price of the product factors both materials and making cost (which again includes skills cost and so on). There is no need for it to be called separately.
 
I don't see a need to get all worked up because someone challenged your skills or knowledge, which seems to be the case here. Specialized knowledge is easily accessible to everyone with a click.

A simple "no" suffices if changes cannot be accommodated, or alternately new terms can be worked out. The original contract must be honored.

I write software for a living and customers regularly come up with new specs which are either accommodated for more fee or rejected based on proper explanation. Original commitment holds unless there is an explicit change in the contract.

Irrespective of how childish the OP may have behaved, he should receive the knife that was promised or refund provided since the maker cancelled the contract. There doesn't seem to be any other satisfactory outcome in this scenario. The maker can certainly choose not to deal with this particular customer.
 
choombak said:
I don't see a need to get all worked up because someone challenged your skills or knowledge, which seems to be the case here. Specialized knowledge is easily accessible to everyone with a click.

A simple "no" suffices if changes cannot be accommodated, or alternately new terms can be worked out. The original contract must be honored.

I write software for a living and customers regularly come up with new specs which are either accommodated for more fee or rejected based on proper explanation. Original commitment holds unless there is an explicit change in the contract.

Irrespective of how childish the OP may have behaved, he should receive the knife that was promised or refund provided since the maker cancelled the contract. There doesn't seem to be any other satisfactory outcome in this scenario. The maker can certainly choose not to deal with this particular customer.
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+1 You expressed the correct view of the situation better than I did or could have. It's just not that complicated. Regardless of the OP's boorish behavior, what was done is just bad business, plain and simple.
 
Greykilt said:
YOUR thread? Hmmmm. I just googled 'Colton Kroon'. Search engine says you are a multiple sex offender and long term habitual predator. Wtf (??)
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WTF indeed. I sure hope you can back this up. If this is an unfounded accusation, you'll not like the consequences.
 
Hmm ............... nice to get "the rest of the story"

Sounds like the maker made the right call .............trouble coming down the tracks with the OP ............inevitable

I actually have mixed feelings about the return of the deposit money. In this case I do not think the maker is wrong and he has offered to send him the blank. The op wasted quite a bit of the makers time and purchase of materials.
The continuation of the op's posts reinforce the inability of him to see something from another's perspective, nor comprehend his annoyance. Part of that is likely due to inexperience in the knife world.
As other's have said you do not hire a knife maker and then tell him how to heat treat, etc.
 
Greykilt said:
YOUR thread? Hmmmm. I just googled 'Colton Kroon'. Search engine says you are a multiple sex offender and long term habitual predator. Wtf (??)
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Ya I'm pretty sure your a low life and that's some serious bs. I'm certainly no sex offender and I would love to see you say that to my face troll.
 
Please.

Stop.

Throw the shovel in the hole.

Turn around and walk away.

You'll thank yourself in the morning.
 
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