Exactly What has happened here.... Its Cheap on the sellers end in every way period. I have posted knives here at what I thought reasonable. Bang!!!!!!!!!!!!! within a few seconds they are claimed because I listed them too low, That is on me, Shame on me move on, Is that a reason to ask for more $ No, My bad I can live with my decision. I am not arguing the Feedback rules they are well stated. However the real reason of this of this post is clear, if anyone chooses to change the focus, let them live with that. But not one I will do business with.
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Exactly What has happened here.... Its Cheap on the sellers end in every way period. I have posted knives here at what I thought reasonable. Bang!!!!!!!!!!!!! within a few seconds they are claimed because I listed them too low, That is on me, Shame on me move on, Is that a reason to ask for more $ No, My bad I can live with my decision. I am not arguing the Feedback rules they are well stated. However the real reason of this of this post is clear, if anyone chooses to change the focus, let them live with that. But not one I will do business with.
I lost my ass on the last sale thread I had because I misquoted a price on a strider. The buyer saw it though and I felt like the only thing to do was to keep my word on it . My rep is worth more than the 60-70 bucks I lost but it was my mistake
Your situations are laid out in the rules of this forum. What applies outside this forum is irrelevant. When selling on blade forums you haft to go by blade forums rules it's that simple. IIRC do you not haft to check the little box that you read and understood those rules when you create an account.
Just because a rule was or wasn't broken doesn't justify shady dealings. Some things get you banned or infracted. Some things get threads made about you and a heads up not to deal with you . I'm not taking sides in this at all . Rules are rules though. Just like being shady is being shady . See all parties for what they did and all that .
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Seems the focus of this thread has been feedback rules, However, this is really not the Op's intent. Not condoning Feedback rules which have taken place, I do not agree with this. However in a post that is expressing concern of a deal, Why does this become the priority? Yes the feedback is a Bad, No doubt, All of you put yourselves in the Op's shoes without the feedback deal. Would this kind of business be fine with you?? Absolutely Not, if you disagree get a check on your own business practices an your with own conscious. Read through the lines all it's about the transaction that happened, not whether it exchanged money.................... Last post on this one.. its clear
^ Thank for sharing this additional information, Brian! This newly presented information, has definitely changed my perspective regarding this failed transaction. Not in relation to the negative feedback you left, instead, because of the seller's complete lack of ethics! He reneged on his word, TWICE! Factor this in with the fact that he sold you a knife (violating PayPal's sales terms), taking away your buyer protection, for a few measly buck...I think that this may have been a very good thing, for you, that this potential transaction turned out the way that it did! :thumbup:
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^ No, it's not you! This place has been stupid crazy lately (and the very reason why we need so many emoticons). <
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Regardless of feedback rules-They are applied as others have stated
Be it real estate or knives what you described is an agreement(some may refer to it as a deal), but the completion of the deal is still not until the money(or some other form of goods or services) has changed hands to the seller and the goods are transferred to the buyer, known in knives as mail delivery and in real estate as the closing
and yes the seller did make an agreement, he just didn't complete the deal, so no I trader, just bad press in the GBU
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I agree with joe, the sellers behavior is at fault here. The misunderstanding of how and when to use FB doesn't detract from the validity of his complaint in this thread. Personally I think the feedback rules don't benefit the people here who use the exchange. While I don't believe the feedback should be used all willy-nilly I do think documenting this kind of behavior in their feedback (isn't Feedback for feedback lol) so members can easily view there history when making a sale or purchase would be good.
Yes, I understand searching peoples name for their history as I do this now as well. Just noticing that if the feedback system was used to actually keep track of poor behavior I can think of a few people right now with 100% feedbacks that would be much lower... and rightfully so.
Yes, I understand searching peoples name for their history as I do this now as well. Just noticing that if the feedback system was used to actually keep track of poor behavior I can think of a few people right now with 100% feedbacks that would be much lower... and rightfully so.
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We have a few serious problems in this thread. Unfortunately too, they are common problems, and people don't seem to learn from them. Feedback / GBU is supposed to be a learning experience.
Feedback / GBU is for any problems, whether or not iTrader feedback is appropriate. iTrader feedback is only for completed deals. Throw away your law books and your dictionary. ITrader is only for deals when money and property are actually exchanged.
Exchange rules are not that hard to understand. Read them! This train wreck came about because the seller didn't follow the first rule of selling.
Comments. Moderators and experienced members can help you with the rules, but you should still go back and read them yourself before replying. Good advice costs nothing and it's worth the price.
Answering posts politely will make a better impression than reminding people they are genetically deficient. Type without the hype, we already know you're a tough guy.
Feedback / GBU is for any problems, whether or not iTrader feedback is appropriate. iTrader feedback is only for completed deals. Throw away your law books and your dictionary. ITrader is only for deals when money and property are actually exchanged.
Exchange rules are not that hard to understand. Read them! This train wreck came about because the seller didn't follow the first rule of selling.
Comments. Moderators and experienced members can help you with the rules, but you should still go back and read them yourself before replying. Good advice costs nothing and it's worth the price.
Answering posts politely will make a better impression than reminding people they are genetically deficient. Type without the hype, we already know you're a tough guy.
Yea...I am inclined to side with the Seller on this one; he didn't do everything right for sure but he did nothing to deserve this.
He promptly told OP that the deal was off and did not ask for funds; buyer continued to initiate contact. Honestly, I would probably steer clear of OP in the future.
He promptly told OP that the deal was off and did not ask for funds; buyer continued to initiate contact. Honestly, I would probably steer clear of OP in the future.
I guess if you have more posts/transactions/friends you get a pass?
Why is all the focus on feedback?
The OP broke the rules, he left feedback when the rules clearly state he can't. That will be remedied but is NOT the point.
The point:
A knife was listed. The OP said that he would take it, and the seller agreed only to change his mind because he asked too little.
(THIS IS THE OP's ISSUE)
If that's cool with everyone, then great, personally, it just doesn't work for me so on the ignore list he goes...
You made a deal, follow it through. You're only as good as your word.....
Why is all the focus on feedback?
The OP broke the rules, he left feedback when the rules clearly state he can't. That will be remedied but is NOT the point.
The point:
A knife was listed. The OP said that he would take it, and the seller agreed only to change his mind because he asked too little.
(THIS IS THE OP's ISSUE)
If that's cool with everyone, then great, personally, it just doesn't work for me so on the ignore list he goes...
You made a deal, follow it through. You're only as good as your word.....
I see the seller's ethics have been called into question several times. Why no ethical discussion over attempting to force the sale of a knife that was listed under the value it should have been? Sure, the seller made a mistake and perhaps failed to think things through before listing the item. Does that really entitle the buyer who caught the mistake to free money? It reads like a bad game of "GOTCHA!": "Haha, you listed it wrong! I'll take it! No, no, no you said it was $150! I've locked you in at $150! Look at the forum rules! Look at the forum rules! Where is a moderator?!" Is this what the BF community is about? Not exactly gentlemanly behavior, in my opinion. I'm not really taking sides here, just providing another perspective.
This is more or less how I read it.
Seller should have been better about being sure he wanted to sell -- no question here.
That said, he tried to fix the problem as soon as he realized his mistake but kept getting notes from the OP on "want to sell? huh huh huh? want to sell now? how about now?"
That is a "perspective" and yes, the ethics of the seller are being called into question.
If you list a knife for X $ you need to be prepared to sell it for X $.
That's just something that we all agree to do when we list a knife otherwise this place is going to turn into auction site.
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Incorrect.
He agreed to the deal, then changed his mind after he was overwhelmed with the idea that it was just not enough $.
I would be fine with your "version" of events vs what actually happened, but to me, a deal is a deal, and a deal was made.
If the seller would have said "listen, I made a mistake and I am not going to sell it for this amount" I could see your point....
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Value it should have been? There have been plenty of items listed on the Exchange for a steal where the seller could have gotten 25% or more for it. How can you shift fault to the buyer for wanting to score a good deal? Now, if it was a situation like Peter Hartwig's example (HERE), then I could stomach your point. But that wasn't the case.
The buyer said I'll take it two days after the thread was posted. The seller even posted two times in the thread before the firm "I'll take it". Plenty of time to remedy the price or withdraw the item.
Plus, in the buyer's second attempt to purchase at a higher price, the seller responded with a price that would be acceptable. If he didn't want to sell it, say so. Don't send an ambiguous message with an "acceptable" price.
Thanks for this, I would say that's about as good a summary as we are going to get.
Not sure why so many people are having a hard time seeing the issue here...
Maybe I should list something in the exchange for a really good deal (happens everyday) and then walk away, after I agree twice to sell it, based on believing that I could get more.....
I wonder if all the "nice guys" in this thread will give me a pass.
Where is the sellers "mistake" mistake is a typo that you correct in 5 -10 minutes or when you realize you typed 150 instead of 250.
A mistake Is not 2 days later ,it's cold feet. When asked what his price would haft to be he should of said I'm sharpening it I'm gonna keep it . When he threw out a dollar figure he left himself open to this situation.
A mistake Is not 2 days later ,it's cold feet. When asked what his price would haft to be he should of said I'm sharpening it I'm gonna keep it . When he threw out a dollar figure he left himself open to this situation.
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From what is posted in this thread, it looks as though there was only one follow up PM or email looking to score it at a higher price that would be acceptable to the seller. Not quite the badgering that your paraphrase in quotations shows.
Now if I'm wrong and a longer conversation did take place, I'm sure the seller or buyer will let us know.
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