POLL: SURVIVE! EDC-4 Preorder Promotion. Would you participate?

[schmittie]

OK, Guy, thanks for the update...... So, Guy, when are you going to aquire your own subforum here? Would make following along with the latest from Survive! a lot easier...

WOOT! I'll second that notion!

 

[Sulaco]

OK, Guy, thanks for the update. I'm definitely keeping my eyes peeled from now on. Your stuff goes so fast it's easy to miss out. BTW, I received the EDC-4 in the mail today. First impression is very positive. It's certainly a tank of a knife, and in 3V, I can't imagine my standard knife chores damaging it in any way. Makes me salivate more for the bigger knives. I think a 3/16" in a 6 or 7" blade length would be just about perfect. In smaller knives, I think I would have preferred Elmax or M390, but I missed out on that preorder. But, I live in a desert, so I don't think maintenance of 3V will be a problem. So, Guy, when are you going to aquire your own subforum here? Would make following along with the latest from Survive! a lot easier...

I don't think you'd have problems with 3V even if you weren't in a desert. I live in a very humid climate and I don't even oil my knives in 3V. No problems at all.

 

[raindog101]

I don't think you'd have problems with 3V even if you weren't in a desert. I live in a very humid climate and I don't even oil my knives in 3V. No problems at all.

That's good to know. I only owned one CPM-3V knife in my life, and it was a Fehrman that I traded pretty quick (didn't like the handle ergos). So I never got a chance to put it to the test. Furthermore, the EDC-4 I got is cerakoted, which should provide some additional protection. All in all, it should be good to go. On a side note, anyone know how 3V takes an edge? What would be a comparable steel? D2? O1? I like a razor edge, and if it's tough enough, I'll bring the edge down pretty fine if I can.

 

[Sulaco]

That's good to know. I only owned one CPM-3V knife in my life, and it was a Fehrman that I traded pretty quick (didn't like the handle ergos). So I never got a chance to put it to the test. Furthermore, the EDC-4 I got is cerakoted, which should provide some additional protection. All in all, it should be good to go. On a side note, anyone know how 3V takes an edge? What would be a comparable steel? D2? O1? I like a razor edge, and if it's tough enough, I'll bring the edge down pretty fine if I can.

Depends on the primary grind, heat treat, how you're gonna use it. I would be okay with a fairly thin edge on something the size of the EDC-4. If you see it start chipping out, just put a micro-bevel on it. I probably would anyway, but I would run a thinner shoulder. Just me though, YMMV.

 

[raindog101]

Depends on the primary grind, heat treat, how you're gonna use it. I would be okay with a fairly thin edge on something the size of the EDC-4. If you see it start chipping out, just put a micro-bevel on it. I probably would anyway, but I would run a thinner shoulder. Just me though, YMMV.

Yeah, I'll leave it as is for now, I like that it's shaving sharp upon arrival! But eventually, like everything else I own, it'll make a trip to meet Mr. Belt Sander.

 

[SURVIVE!]

Ok, so who do I talk to about creating a sub forum on here? I'm game for that. lol

Now, if you missed out on the first GSO-4.1 preorder promotion, I am running a second chance offer on them right now at the SURVIVE! store. The discount for the second chance offer isn't quite as deep as the preorder special but it does still represent some good savings. These knives are already in production now, so the supply for the second chance offer will have a limit. It would be a good idea to lock one in early, if you were interested. https://www.surviveknives.com/products/?slug=product_info.php&products_id=30

 

[raindog101]

Ok, so who do I talk to about creating a sub forum on here? I'm game for that. lol

Now, if you missed out on the first GSO-4.1 preorder promotion, I am running a second chance offer on them right now at the SURVIVE! store. The discount for the second chance offer isn't quite as deep as the preorder special but it does still represent some good savings. These knives are already in production now, so the supply for the second chance offer will have a limit. It would be a good idea to lock one in early, if you were interested. https://www.surviveknives.com/products/?slug=product_info.php&products_id=30

For the subforum info, I'd talk to Spark. He's the HPIC and master and arbiter of all things knifey. You can probably dig up his info somewhere around here, perhaps on the tech support subforum.

Now, as far as the other preorder stuff...man you are tempting me something fierce. I don't know much about M390 aside from it is stainless, and has great edge-holding/wear resistance. Not sure how it stacks up toughness-wise, especially against Elmax and S90V (it's no match for 3V, I'm sure). So I'm tempted to wait for those s90V knives you keep promising. Although, getting a new one in m390 with a bow drill divot in the handle might almost be worth it:thumbup:

 

[SURVIVE!]

Just to make things even more difficult for you... Cutting has already begun on the M-390 blades. LOL

 

[raindog101]

argh..
you're killing me...

 

[chiral.grolim]

Ok, so who do I talk to about creating a sub forum on here?

Guy,
Send a message to 'support' via this page: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sendmessage.php
That will get you set up with a "manufacturer" or "knifemaker" subforum.

To raindog101, M390 is on par (actually slightly better) with ELMAX toughness at this hardness level, both of those are slightly higher than S90V but all are right around 30 J/cm^2. M390 is slightly more corrosion resistant than ELMAX, S90V beats both in wear-resistance: http://www.kau.se/sites/default/files/Dokument/subpage/2010/02/26_349_359_pdf_19432.pdf
And you are right, CPM-3V is full 300% tougher than any of those other 3, pushing ~100 J/cm^2, but while it evinces twice the wear-resistance of D2 steel, it won't match up to the other three, the carbide volume just isn't there. (Alas for the compromises we spoiled fans must accept )

I will admit it, those pics of the GSO-4.1's being cut has me excited! And colleagues at work ask everyday, "Dude, when is that monster knife you ordered supposed to arrive? I want to see it before I buy one." I've got scrap-wood stacking up, eagerly anticipating the GSO-10!

 

[SURVIVE!]

Guy,
Send a message to 'support' via this page: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sendmessage.php
That will get you set up with a "manufacturer" or "knifemaker" subforum.

To raindog101, M390 is on par (actually slightly better) with ELMAX toughness at this hardness level, both of those are slightly higher than S90V but all are right around 30 J/cm^2. M390 is slightly more corrosion resistant than ELMAX, S90V beats both in wear-resistance: http://www.kau.se/sites/default/files/Dokument/subpage/2010/02/26_349_359_pdf_19432.pdf
And you are right, CPM-3V is full 300% tougher than any of those other 3, pushing ~100 J/cm^2, but while it evinces twice the wear-resistance of D2 steel, it won't match up to the other three, the carbide volume just isn't there. (Alas for the compromises we spoiled fans must accept )

I will admit it, those pics of the GSO-4.1's being cut has me excited! And colleagues at work ask everyday, "Dude, when is that monster knife you ordered supposed to arrive? I want to see it before I buy one." I've got scrap-wood stacking up, eagerly anticipating the GSO-10!

As always, thanks for the very informed response. You broke that down really well. As for that "monster knife" lol, the blades are being tumbled right now. Handles should be finished up early this coming week. I should be getting the first GSO-10's finished up and shipping by next weekend. First to be delivered obviously will be the uncoated GSO-10's, without sheaths. The week after will be the uncoated GSO-10's with sheaths. By then the Cerakoting should be finished up and those will ship out last. BUT all of the preordered GSO-10's will deliver in time for Christmas.

 

[raindog101]

Guy,
Send a message to 'support' via this page: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sendmessage.php
That will get you set up with a "manufacturer" or "knifemaker" subforum.

To raindog101, M390 is on par (actually slightly better) with ELMAX toughness at this hardness level, both of those are slightly higher than S90V but all are right around 30 J/cm^2. M390 is slightly more corrosion resistant than ELMAX, S90V beats both in wear-resistance: http://www.kau.se/sites/default/files/Dokument/subpage/2010/02/26_349_359_pdf_19432.pdf
And you are right, CPM-3V is full 300% tougher than any of those other 3, pushing ~100 J/cm^2, but while it evinces twice the wear-resistance of D2 steel, it won't match up to the other three, the carbide volume just isn't there. (Alas for the compromises we spoiled fans must accept )

I will admit it, those pics of the GSO-4.1's being cut has me excited! And colleagues at work ask everyday, "Dude, when is that monster knife you ordered supposed to arrive? I want to see it before I buy one." I've got scrap-wood stacking up, eagerly anticipating the GSO-10!

CG,
Thanks for breaking it down for me. I don't know where, but I read that Elmax toughness beats out M390 at lower hardness levels like 58 or 59. But high hardness is what we're looking for in this kind of steel, right? So M390 sounds like the real deal from those links. I'm impressed that 3V has twice the wear resisitance of D2, I never would have guessed that. I like my D2 knives, they seem to stay functionally sharp for a long time, even if I'm incapable of putting a really fine edge on them. If 3V even equals this performance (never mind bettering it), I'm all smiles. That being said, I'm developing a fondness for my little 4.1 in 3V. Think I'll save up some dough, and go big, like you, with the GSO-10! I've been wanting a monster chopper, and that thing looks crazy good. I'd love to see some in-hand shots first, as the handle looks a bit different (more grooves, for one) than the other knives of his I've been seeing.

 

[raindog101]

On a related note, who's up for a Survive! knives open thread in the General section? I feel a bit weird with all the tangential conversations we're having on a for sale thread. I keep waiting for a moderator to lower the boom. So I think I'll head over there right now and get one started. WHO'S WITH ME?!

ETA: here is the thread I started. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1014636-all-that-is-Survive!-knives-post-here?p=11556131#post11556131
Feel free to post up your goodies if you like...

 

[cm_bushman]

So wait a minute, as far as a GSO 4.1 is concerned, I'm thinking it'd be my dream knife in m390 or s90v.. but I'm likely not gonna have the funds for a few months.

After this run is bought up (likely in about a week of release, if the 5.1 is any indication), what are the plans, if any, for the future of the GSO 4.1? It's really the perfect size for me, and either s90v or m390 are in my opinion the best steels available for a knife this size (unless you're looking for toughness). I'm hoping that the GSO 4.1 is going to make another run sometime soon! How about it Guy, can you give us any idea on future production of this phenomenal design? Do you think it'll go into a regular production at any point?

Either way, keep up the top-notch knives and the fantastic deals (even after the slight markup on the GSO 4.1, it's still the best deal in knives IMO).

 

[raindog101]

Seems to me that, so far, the 4.1 production is shaping up a bit like the Mule series from Spyderco: runs of the same knife in whatever steel Guy is able to get his hands on. This can only help us, the consumers, if/when he decides to settle down with one or 2 steels for regular production. If not, I'm cool with the "sprint runs" in premium steels that he's been churning out. I can't wait to see some of the mid-length models come out (GSO 6.1 or 7.1 anybody?).

 

[chiral.grolim]

I should be getting the first GSO-10's finished up and shipping by next weekend. First to be delivered obviously will be the uncoated GSO-10's, without sheaths. The week after will be the uncoated GSO-10's with sheaths. By then the Cerakoting should be finished up and those will ship out last. BUT all of the preordered GSO-10's will deliver in time for Christmas.

Thank you guy for carrying on with the updates :thumbup: I hop onto each SURVIVE! thread almost daily to see what is happening. I ordered 3 GSO-10's, all with sheaths and 1 with Cerakote so it'll be a long & difficult wait for me

... I don't know where, but I read that Elmax toughness beats out M390 at lower hardness levels like 58 or 59. But high hardness is what we're looking for in this kind of steel, right? So M390 sounds like the real deal from those links. I'm impressed that 3V has twice the wear resisitance of D2, I never would have guessed that. I like my D2 knives, they seem to stay functionally sharp for a long time, even if I'm incapable of putting a really fine edge on them. If 3V even equals this performance (never mind bettering it), I'm all smiles. That being said, I'm developing a fondness for my little 4.1 in 3V. Think I'll save up some dough, and go big, like you, with the GSO-10! I've been wanting a monster chopper, and that thing looks crazy good. I'd love to see some in-hand shots first, as the handle looks a bit different (more grooves, for one) than the other knives of his I've been seeing.

You are absolutely right, raindog101! That paper I linked notes that tempering each to ~550C to bring the hardness down to ~60 Rc results in a slight drop in impact resistance for M390 while ELMAX spikes to >40 J/cm^2, definitely tougher where Guy has Peter's HT putting it. And who knows, Peter's may be able to work some magic with all of these steels to get better performance than that out of them! I've read that Busse is able to do amazing things with D2 and 52100 in heat treatment, and Peter's comes highly recommended...

I don't really know how your 3V EDC-4 will compare to D2 in actual cutting performance, as part of what gives D2 its performance is the innate "toothy" grain structure which powder steels are designed against. But if you put a more coarse finish on your 3V edge (not mirror-polished fine), you should be able to replicate that 'toothiness'? *shrug* Since 3V is more wear-resistant, it should be able to keep that toothy edge longer.

Thanks for beginning the General thread, I'll try to keep my posts over there from now on, at least until Guy has his own subforum I can hardly wait for the first in-hand photos of the GSO-10s!

 

[raindog101]

Thank you guy for carrying on with the updates :thumbup: I hop onto each SURVIVE! thread almost daily to see what is happening. I ordered 3 GSO-10's, all with sheaths and 1 with Cerakote so it'll be a long & difficult wait for me


You are absolutely right, raindog101! That paper I linked notes that tempering each to ~550C to bring the hardness down to ~60 Rc results in a slight drop in impact resistance for M390 while ELMAX spikes to >40 J/cm^2, definitely tougher where Guy has Peter's HT putting it. And who knows, Peter's may be able to work some magic with all of these steels to get better performance than that out of them! I've read that Busse is able to do amazing things with D2 and 52100 in heat treatment, and Peter's comes highly recommended...

I don't really know how your 3V EDC-4 will compare to D2 in actual cutting performance, as part of what gives D2 its performance is the innate "toothy" grain structure which powder steels are designed against. But if you put a more coarse finish on your 3V edge (not mirror-polished fine), you should be able to replicate that 'toothiness'? *shrug* Since 3V is more wear-resistant, it should be able to keep that toothy edge longer.

Thanks for beginning the General thread, I'll try to keep my posts over there from now on, at least until Guy has his own subforum I can hardly wait for the first in-hand photos of the GSO-10s!

I think I need to acquire a 4.1 in Elmax, it sounds like a wonderful steel. And I'm dying to see these GSO-10 pics!

 

[Atama]

Ahhh, so you bought the last one? lol I was down the other day and things were looking pretty slim. Just some GSO-5.1's left and well, those few prototypes Sean keeps hidden around. I'm glad he holds onto those and doesn't seem to be actively trying to sell them. They remind me of where I started and how far things have come since then. Those first prototypes are going to be collectables one day.

Crap. I have beat the hell outta mine. Still looks MOSTLY new...

 

[marino_lp]

I just discovered these knives and they look fantastic !! Awesome designs and great steel ! And being churned out by someone who is just looking to create the perfect user knife!!! I am majorly disappointed I missed out on the 5.1 's in elmax, and now that guy is saying there will be a fresh run in the new year .... I am even more excited to get my hands on one of these awesome knives!!! Keep up the great work ! .... And is there any more info floating around on the gso-6/7 ???? And the rumoured gso folder !!!???

 

[schmittie]

Crap. I have beat the hell outta mine. Still looks MOSTLY new...

Post up some pics of it please.