Bad PSA: Use CAUTION selling to BF buyer "LIN" (AKA Kai Zhao)

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LIN said:
Hi SpyderPhreak:
Thank you for so much concern on me.

1. Thanks for mention that I have 300+ post in for sale sections, I did not notice that before.
since I have such numbers of buying, and no one complain about the dealing, I think that make some sense.
since all the 300+ sellers did not ever title me as "Bad", why you?
I remember I have no deal with you, at least , not in a year.

2. the isse you linked beween me and Bobby Branton, after we realized the issue caused by our misunderstanding about the language, we focus on how to solve the problem, and we solve the problem well.
when Boby and I solve the problem, I belive you juding and talking like China staff all the time in that thread.
And it should happen one year ago.
Bobby and I have emailed after that, we try to have another deal since that.
If you do not belive, you can ask Bobby.


3. I do use a proxy address in US , but I do not hide it.
But I think I have no need to announce that to you.
Most seller have problem ship oversea,that is why I get US address.
And several times, some seller does claimed he do not ship to proxy address, only the buyer personal receiving, I cancel order and not lying.
that should the the conversation between me and seller, I think, not you!

4. please do not make such judge when knife go to China.
becaus we here in China can not get knife easily, we much more treasure the knife we get.
And I belive each knifemaker and knife brand hope their product go over the world, why you want them keep staying only in US?
just because some time you want to buy them easily?

5. I am curious why you start all these now.
the issue between me and Bobby have over a year, and I have no deal with you.
then I think this thread start because I take two Swamprat Waki which maybe you want them too.
http://bladeforums.com/threads/3-unused-waki-and-bg-ak47-variant-fsot.1518267/
sorry, he do not cancel the deal after you say the China staff or the BAD thread.
the seller and I have deal before and we go well.

the end of all, I do not want some endless fight,especilly in internet.
I am not a keyboard man.
I have already say what I need to say.
we both have work to do,no need to waste time in the nosense fight.
take care!
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LIN, I understand there's a language barrier here, and that may be part of the problem. Your English is FAR better than my Chinese though, trust me on that! ;)

My issue with you is one of principle. I think you need to be upfront with the sellers you purchase from and let them know that you're not located in the USA, and that the final destination of the items you purchase is China. We've already seen one possible outcome of this problem with what happened with your purchase from Bobby. He went above and beyond to satisfy you, which says a lot about his character.

This thread will in no way affect your seller rating. It serves as a warning to sellers that might care to do their research that you might not be 100% upfront about who you are, and that's deceptive. That's why it is marked as "BAD".

While you might not hide the fact that you're using a proxy address, you're also not upfront about it, which is dishonest in my opinion.

I'm not here to argue either, I just want the BF community to know who you truly are. I have not called you names or made any threats, but have remained totally civil, and will continue to do so.

@LIN I will only ask you one question - Would you please tell us what you do with all these knives and swords once you have them all in China? Do you have a business there? OK, sorry, that was two questions.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Sir,
I do understand your sentiments. Honestly I do.
I happen to believe that YOU believe that Mr. Lin is a threat to your community. I get that.
You still seem to sellect choice words or quotes that fit your point in a way that the full context here does not support.

That is my point in posting this thread.

I think a statement or thread regarding your sentiments would have been MUCH more productive to your cause if you had not specifically named a buyer that has supported MANY members here by purchasing items from them.

You just stated that you have NO DOG in this fight, yet you threw another into the pit.

Read more/post less? Yeah, I get that a lot. For the amount of posting I do, can you imagine how much I have read? No way of knowing that is there.

If you counted up the hours I have been logged on, and the number of posts I have typed I would have to be typing with my little toe to not have read a LOT of posts here but that's off topic...

Sir, I hope you accept that I am sincere when I state that the approach of this thread was what some of us viewers are having a hard time swallowing.
Your content is your opinion, and you as a long term member (respected by many) allows you to state your opinion.
I believe the blind side attack full of speculation, and innuendo just does not jibe as a very good example of your point.

No disrespect is meant in anything I post. I simply state my thoughts in a forum that is open to discussion.

I hope everything works out well for you, and I also hope I expressed my opinion well enough to be understood in the manner in which it was meant. Constructive criticism.

My best to you sir,
Ken
 
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Ken, thank you for clarifying. I get that I might be coming across as harsh to some or that I'm picking on / bullying LIN, but that's my experience here talking. I'm likely more invested in this particular case as LIN tends to buy a lot of the Busse family of knives, which I'm a fan of.

We've had things like this happen many, many times before (proxies, scammers, flippers, etc.), and they usually wind up in a flaming train wreck. The veterans here get that, and can usually see it coming a mile away. Maybe LIN will be the exception here? Guess time will tell. I'm just trying to save someone the hardship they might suffer when things go sideways, as nearly happened to the tune of $1,200 with Bobby Branton.

Thanks, -Jared.

PS - While I do select points that highlight what I'm saying, clicking the little blue "up arrow" to the immediate right of the poster's name in the quote will take you directly to that post, if you so desire to read it in its entirety for context.
 
SpyderPhreak said:
PS - While I do select points that highlight what I'm saying, clicking the little blue "up arrow" to the immediate right of the poster's name in the quote will take you directly to that post, if you so desire to read it in its entirety for context.
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Thank you. I did not know this. See... I read LOL

My best to you sir.
I've stated my opinion, and I'll leave it at that. I hope this works out well for everyone.
 
Agreed. I'll leave this open for another day or so in order to give LIN the opportunity to reply if he chooses to do so, and once he does I'll lock it down.
 
Gastonknife said:
Funny how so many of these threads turn. With that being said, would like to hear from Branton.
:rolleyes:
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Don't lose track of a huge issue here. The undisclosed proxy buying is a problem.

Zombie411 said:
Has anyone read page 7 of the OP's linked thread?
http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/lin-aka-kai-zhao-issue-resolved.1429838/page-7

I think there was some confusion in THIS thread.
I also have an idea of what happened to the "damaged" knife in the other thread but it is pure speculation.
Pre flight inspections, and Post flight customs inspections do NOT have to bear a witness mark or stamp.
Any one of several persons DID in fact handle that 1,200.00 knife from the linked thread.

That thread was/IS marked "Resolved". THIS thread used cherry picked quotes.
Mr. Lin's timely reply to THIS thread makes a lot of sense to me.

I might gather a few more "ignore"s for this post or maybe even a Ban but it has to be asked... Is this thread motivated by something deeper than a "loss of knives to China"?
Should this thread even be allowed?
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Stirring the pot is not helping.

Andy the Aussie said:
Knowing @SpyderPhreak as I and many others here do I am quite confident he is certainly not motivated by a couple of Swamp Rat Wakis that are not at all uncommon. I think he is motivated by principle and honesty. But I do not profess to speak for him either.
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Agreed. That was a BS argument put forward by lin. No one should believe it.
 
Strange something that should be borderless and unite us like a common hobby can be decisive. With the market as soft as it is we should embrace people who are keeping our hobby alive.

There's lots of injustices in the world and you should deal with them as you see fit. To drag Lin into what you perceive as an injustice and a violation of your principles is wrong. 1 problem in 300 and it had nothing to do with you- What's this thread about again? There's numerous more agregious violators of principles here but I've never seen you post on them.

I don't get to use xenophobia very often but your only recourse to this perceived injustice is to Not Deal With Lin.

It does look like sour grapes. I wonder how that translates into Chinese?
 
Someone who is not upfront with how they do business should be called out. I don't care what country they are from.

Just because some people do worse things doesn't mean we should ignore it.

Of those 300 transactions, how many knew the final destination was a different country than to where they shipped? How many of them would have declined if they knew the truth?

Honestly, who knows. I just feel more comfortable when I know the person I'm dealing with is forthright.
 
SpyderPhreak said:
LIN, I understand there's a language barrier here, and that may be part of the problem. Your English is FAR better than my Chinese though, trust me on that! ;)
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This sounds insincere, even patronizing, akin to the schoolyard bully helping his mark up from the ground after he just pushed him down and kicked him.

SpyderPhreak said:
My issue with you is one of principle. I think you need to be upfront with the sellers you purchase from and let them know that you're not located in the USA, and that the final destination of the items you purchase is China. We've already seen one possible outcome of this problem with what happened with your purchase from Bobby. He went above and beyond to satisfy you, which says a lot about his character.
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While I cannot prove it, like a few others, my sense is that there may be some hidden agenda here. Did he beat you to a knife that you wanted? Trying to eliminate the competition maybe? I wonder. :rolleyes: I'll end the speculation there and state that if you sell a knife here and do not explicitly restrict the sale to US-based buyers--as opposed to CONUS addresses--then you probably should not be protesting it. As it is, you don't really have standing in this matter as you are not an aggrieved party to a transaction with Lin, but merely an outside observer with an opinion. That's great for a spirited debate, but let's not muddy the waters by thinking of you as the "good guy" here and Lin the "bad guy".

SpyderPhreak said:
This thread will in no way affect your seller rating. It serves as a warning to sellers that might care to do their research that you might not be 100% upfront about who you are, and that's deceptive. That's why it is marked as "BAD".

While you might not hide the fact that you're using a proxy address, you're also not upfront about it, which is dishonest in my opinion.

I'm not here to argue either, I just want the BF community to know who you truly are. I have not called you names or made any threats, but have remained totally civil, and will continue to do so.
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That is utter BS and you know it. Remember what you said in your first post?

If you don't want your beloved, rare, and high-dollar knives to disappear into China never to be seen again, please do not sell to this member!!! Whatever happens to the knives once in China is anyone's guess, but I'd be amazed if at least some of them weren't being used for patterns leading to counterfeiting given the cost of some of the stuff this member can be seen buying here.
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I've sold lots of beloved, rare, high-dollar knives and guess what? I can't think of a single instance where I have seen one of them again after the sale. :eek::eek::eek:What a despicable outrage that is! Whatever.:rolleyes: The fact is that once you sell a knife, you no longer have any control over it. Period. No control. Of course, I feel bad for selling my Swamp Rat Waki to Lorena Bobbitt after I learned that she used it to separate her husband from his balls, but that wasn't my fault. (John, if you're reading this, I really am sorry about your boys.)

SpyderPhreak said:
I will only ask you one question - Would you please tell us what you do with all these knives and swords once you have them all in China? Do you have a business there? OK, sorry, that was two questions.

Thanks in advance!
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Sorry, but again, it's not your business. If you don't want to sell to Lin, that's fine. Also, don't sell to anyone who might sell to Lin because that is just like selling to Lin. Don't gift a knife to anyone who might sell to Lin either. Wait, why stop there? Don't sell to anyone that might sell to someone in China, even if it's not Lin. Better not sell to a convicted felon either. You never know if it might be used in the commission of a crime. Well, I guess you better ask the prospective buyer about their criminal record now too.

Sorry, but perfection is an unobtainable myth. The perfect transaction, perfect knowledge, a perfect future, and yes, even the perfect knife. Oops, I almost forgot. Lin is not perfect either. Neither are you nor am I. Oh well.
 
on_the_edge on_the_edge I addressed every point you made in my previous posts. Might want to go back and read more carefully. NO hidden agenda, no knife sale lost, nothing more than I'm trying to look out for our community. Don't we all wish someone had made a thread like this about Liu Kang before his BS here snowballed? Yet some folks still continue to deal with the guy, even when they know better... :rolleyes: "Some men you just can't reach."

Hell guys, maybe I could have this guy all wrong? :confused: Smells like, walks like, etc. Time WILL tell! ;) I think odds are that I'm right, but I've been wrong before. :rolleyes:

Lone_Wolfe said:
He bought a knife from me, was perfectly upfront that it was going to end up overseas. I didn't have a problem with the way he handled it, and wouldn't have a problem with selling to him again.
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Thanks for you input L_W! :thumbsup:
 
Just wondering if the OP would have an issue telling somebody else with what he does with knives he purchases, if that person were in no way involved in any of the transactions, or if somebody commented in sales threads where he was buying and made comments such as "another knife off to Possum Holler :mad: " or wherever.
If accosted in such a manner, would the OP be offended? How would he feel about the "right" for somebody else to involve himself? Also, if he's made 300 deals and paid on every deal..then..?
 
I use 'em and/or put 'em into the safe. Occasionally I'll sell one or two. Happy? :p
 
I'm borderline trolling but you're providing a valuable public service? Ok, I'll stop- I don't want you to get upset at me asking questions about your personal choices that really aren't my business in the first place. Thanks for the responses.
 
I answered every one of your questions promptly, thank you very much. :rolleyes: BTW, why are YOU here? Seems odd that nearly 1/3 of your posts are in GBU... :confused:

P dot S: Yes, what you're doing in my thread is trolling. Start your own, and it might be a different story. ;)
 
Let me jump in here real quick.

If this thread turns into insults and trolling other members, I can promise everyone involved I'm going to hand out infractions like candy on Halloween... stay on topic or stay out of it.
 
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