Quartermaster Knives....WTF

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skyhorse said:
I talked to the sales account Manager at CPM and he didn't know Quartermaster or Jared West as a customer. He even double checked and nothing.
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Interesting. I was thinking this morning about the apparent difficulty their dealers were having in getting sufficient evidence of their USA Made claims. We're I in Quartermaster's shoes, I'm quite sure that I could provide materials invoices, unquestionable videos, a factory tour, etc., that would resolve the issue. It's much easier to understand them ignoring us than it is to understand why they wouldn't do what they need to do to mollify their dealers.
 
HappyDaddy said:
Interesting. I was thinking this morning about the apparent difficulty their dealers were having in getting sufficient evidence of their USA Made claims. We're I in Quartermaster's shoes, I'm quite sure that I could provide materials invoices, unquestionable videos, a factory tour, etc., that would resolve the issue. It's much easier to understand them ignoring us than it is to understand why they wouldn't do what they need to do to mollify their dealers.
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The physical address in Dripping Springs Tx had no record of a knife factory with both county and state. In fact there was no record of alleged factory anywhere in the entire state of Texas. I give credit to New Graham for dumping these scammers and would urge any other " Honorable " Knife Retailers to do likewise !
 
I've been in business for longer than I care to think about.
If I had a good distributor selling my product.....making me money....GP......and that distributor has a concern with my product, and asks me a simple question. Where are my products manufactured?? All I need to do is make a 2 minute video and e mail it. Period.
Why won't Jared do it???? Simple....he cannot. He would never lose a distributor like GP if he had the proof.
Joe
 
palonej said:
I've been in business for longer than I care to think about.
If I had a good distributor selling my product.....making me money....GP......and that distributor has a concern with my product, and asks me a simple question. Where are my products manufactured?? All I need to do is make a 2 minute video and e mail it. Period.
Why won't Jared do it???? Simple....he cannot. He would never lose a distributor like GP if he had the proof.
Joe
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Yup, by some standards it's honestly the weakest piece of evidence, but I also tend to think it's the most damning. If you're that willing to lose money rather than clear all this up that speaks very loudly to me that something is badly out of place.
 
He can't admit they are made in China. Imagine what would happen if he did. So the lie will continue until he makes a new version that is "now made in China" even tho they were never made in the USA to start with.
 
its deceitful because its a lie and its even worse to know the kind of customers that fall for the false advertising and praise the false advertisement, are the target sales. knowing this form of marketing is upsetting, not to mention illegal.

target texas: texas made - check
target usa: made in usa - check
advertise to a mostly non knife market (firearms) - check
buy social media - check
copy knife designs - check
outsource manufacturing to anywhere not in America - check
no company location or factory or phone number or physical address - people still believe its real - check
shows video of a friends shop with some cnc machines and zero quarterknife knives being built, designed or even any hardware of those knives - check

if the marketing is a lie especially one to fool people into purchases... that make it go from just a knife to this is a problem. no matter how good some may say it is. but that's not even the half of it from the rest of the facts in these threads.
 
Mo2 said:
He can't admit they are made in China. Imagine what would happen if he did. So the lie will continue until he makes a new version that is "now made in China" even tho they were never made in the USA to start with.
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He'd likely have to also admit that the blade steel wasn't as advertised.
 
palonej said:
I've been in business for longer than I care to think about.
If I had a good distributor selling my product.....making me money....GP......and that distributor has a concern with my product, and asks me a simple question. Where are my products manufactured?? All I need to do is make a 2 minute video and e mail it. Period.
Why won't Jared do it???? Simple....he cannot. He would never lose a distributor like GP if he had the proof.
Joe
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I'm sure being a business owner Joe you know that in this day and age you can't even operate a taco stand cart without the proper license's & permits that are all a matter of public record. Simple to verify . You wouldn't need to make a video.
 
skyhorse said:
He'd likely have to also admit that the blade steel wasn't as advertised.
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Like the "BG42" knives from his "Mantis" brand? (Since he is still selling "BG42" knives, I wonder where he is getting BG42.)
$28.97
This is the only knife in the Mantis line that has been constructed of BG-42 ball bearing stainless steel. This steel has a very high edge retention rate, so durability is its strong suit. The design was inspired by an open wheel race car. When folded, the carabiner loop and pivot at the opposite end, closely resemble a race car. This knife certainly exemplifies all of the things that make the MANTIS brand unique.
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Or the secret "M-VX" super steel:
What is M-VX Stainless Steel?

The Mantis Knives design team doesn't feel that they should ever be governed or limited by "industry norms", as a result, a team of metallurgists, who have been working closely with the Research and Development team at Mantis Knives, have come up with what we consider to be an alloy that will set new standards in excellence for our industry.

Tough as a coffin nail, M-VX is a martensitic high speed steel that is specifically formulated to offer the best combination of edge retention, resistance to corrosion, and ease of re-sharpening. Vanadium has been found to be far more effective than chromium in providing wear-resistance, so M-VX's chemistry has been specially engineered to enhance this effect. M-VX attains a previously unknown toughness. To put it into simple terms, M-VX stainless steel "slices circles" around other high hardness steels such as D2 and 440C.
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Lol, I bet this years you tube Quartermaster interview at Shot Show will be in a toilet stall of the men's restroom .
 
skyhorse said:
Lol, I bet this years you tube Quartermaster interview at Shot Show will be in a toilet stall of the men's restroom .
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All answers given via hand signals at the bottom of the divider, no doubt.

Seriously, 2 weeks ago I was seriously eyeing their kwaikens... I will seriously eye different ones now, I think.
 
Thanks for the heads up on this guys!
From what I read, there are some HUGE and very damning red flags and circumstantial evidence pointing to a fake US company. And that circumstantial evidence is not only 100% on the negative side, but growing. I have not seen one shred of evidence to defend the claims and things like being droped by a vendor with no defense looks very bad.

People that say you can't convict or hold people accountable for circumstantial evidence pointing to a crime need to remember EVERY day, we convict people on MURDER charges on purely overwhelming strong circumstantial evidence. That's a fact. so this does not bode well.

I have no dog in the fight, BUT what really concerns me is that I buy from BHQ, and this has me very leary of buying from them now if they are aware of this and don't vet their suppliers. Going to hold off buying from BHQ untill this issue gets resolved. Is BHQ aware of this concerns and red flags?
 
bladeHQ has removed the manufacturer origin from the brand from what was mentioned in this thread earlier.
 
From Jared West's online (now) resume:

May 2007 - Present
Chairman
Westwayz International Trading
Oversee operations of a three company collaboration to bring product from different locations within China and Belarus in to the United States by way of air or sea Daily responsibilities include location tracking, problem solving, paperwork completion and customs clearance Responsible for the import of over $10 Million of retail goods into the United States since the company's inception.
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So Google "Westwayz International Trading." This multi-million dollar international trading company is yet another secret squirrel. The only hits (3) are information from Jared. No import records. No listings in business or any other directories. No address. No telephone number. No email address. No registration of name or incorporation.

Does seem to be true that "Westwayz" is the name of an eBay seller.
 
Mo2 said:
bladeHQ has removed the manufacturer origin from the brand from what was mentioned in this thread earlier.
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Ughhh.. I JUST read some of the past drama on this for the first time and it goes back to 2015!. Glad I did. Wow, what an eye opener. Will be avoiding BHQ in the future and that's a shame. It's an understatement to say I am disappointed in their past responses on this. KSF will be my goto from now on. Of course the OEM is the main responsible party, but there are retailers out there that vet their lines and care about what they sell and not make up excuses or play the victim. The right response would have been "we take our product lines very serious to bring you the best knives on the market and take your concerns about product origin misrepresentation by the OEM very seriously. We will look into this and make a determination to help address your concerns".. but instead thier response was consistently "hey why are you singling us out??, we can't vouch for what we carry if we did, we would have to drop half our lines".. Yea..(wince) ummm.. way wrong answer IMO and just makes me cringe to see that line of reasoning upheld.
That said, it also looks like criticism of BHQ is "persona non grata" kind of talk in BF so will have to be careful. Not trying to get this thread locked, It's just my take on this situation and coming in with no doginfight and with fresh eyes.
 
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BHQ has dropped all references to country of origin for Quartermaster.

NewGraham now says "They say they're made in the USA, but who the hell really knows" (or words to that effect).

GPknives has removed country of origin from the specs on each product, but still have the "USA Made" claim in the general description of Quartermaster's products.

Knifecenter hasn't changed anything. They either haven't been paying attention, know something no one else does, or don't care.
 
HappyDaddy said:
Mlmcasual-

BHQ has dropped all references to country of origin for Quartermaster.

NewGraham now says "They say they're made in the USA, but who the hell really knows" (or words to that effect).

GPknives has removed country of origin from the specs on each product, but still have the "USA Made" claim in the general description of Quartermaster's products.

Knifecenter hasn't changed anything. They either haven't been paying attention, know something no one else does, or don't care.
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GPKnives has also stated that they have all their current Quartermaster stock on clearance and will no longer be carrying them after those are sold due to the exact concerns raised in this thread. They're good people.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
GPKnives has also stated that they have all their current Quartermaster stock on clearance and will no longer be carrying them after those are sold due to the exact concerns raised in this thread. They're good people.
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That is true. I was just reporting on what the various websites say, as of this morning.
 
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