Quartermaster Knives....WTF

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Screwdriver said:
So gpknives had concerns, not proof.....

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Apparently you have no idea how much equipment it takes to machine Titanium or how impossible it would be to operate a knife factory for four years without one single document of public record anywhere. KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE ! ;) :)
 
Screwdriver said:
I agree with what you say. My whole point is that concerns should not be confused with facts. This whole subject was brought up years ago and I got involved because people took a concern as their basis to make it some kind of mission to destroy a company. When I first heard about Quartermaster, I was glad to see a new company make knives in the US and supported that, even though I felt the knives were ugly. I try my best to support US companies and when people started on this attack, the evedence that was laid out as proof made no sense because it was all based on heresay and opinion.

So here we are, two years later and it's the same old argument.
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Taking a few pieces of evidence and running wild with claims of illegitimacy and inflammatory statements is a damaging path, as well. I understand why you would want to make an attempt to check some of the more passionate and vocal members. Jumping to conclusions is also dishonest.

The way I see it, the concerns are valid, long-established, and need to be addressed. The discussion should continue until we get an answer, because claiming 100% USA and not delivering is dishonest and unfair to the consumer.

Continuing to ask the company and distributors these questions is fair and necessary, however making outright accusations and spreading ill will is not actually helpful, despite good intentions.

Regardless, I am thankful for the avenue to express these questions and concerns. I hope we can all be fair to each other.
 
I'd like to hear from somebody that would know, because I don't, I'm the first to admit.

How much room would you need to churn out the QM inventory? Could it be done from a basement workshop by two or three full timers? I can almost understand why a company would be doing that but yet use a stock photo of a much larger facility, for example, you wouldn't want to walk into KnifeCenter and announce to them that you want them as a reseller and you, Cousin Clyde, and Uncle Ray will make sure everything is hunky-dory from the safety of your state-of-the-art suburban basement facility. You'd want to appear as professional (big and established) as possible. That would also explain why no on-site tourism is allowed. The 800kg of chinese steel and the bearings, that part is a lot harder to explain.
 
HappyDaddy said:
It's not hearsay that they order 1000's of pounds of stuff from China. It's not opinion that there is no factory at the address they claim as their location. It's neither opinion nor hearsay that two of their major dealers have been unable to obtain from them, after years of asking for it, sufficient proof of their USA Made claim to allow the dealers to be comfortable making the claim on their websites. It is very odd to willfully ignore evidence that is as plain as can be.
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What knives were in that Chinese shipment? Where they Quartermaster or Mantis models?
 
Screwdriver said:
I agree with what you say. My whole point is that concerns should not be confused with facts. This whole subject was brought up years ago and I got involved because people took a concern as their basis to make it some kind of mission to destroy a company. When I first heard about Quartermaster, I was glad to see a new company make knives in the US and supported that, even though I felt the knives were ugly. I try my best to support US companies and when people started on this attack, the evedence that was laid out as proof made no sense because it was all based on heresay and opinion.

So here we are, two years later and it's the same old argument.
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You've been presented with facts repeatedly, the fact that you ignorantly handwave them away without addressing them is your problem, not ours.
 
Screwdriver said:
You should go back and read what I said then......
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Will it change to conform to the overwhelming evidence?

Didn't think so.

Jared:

"Four years later, this cooperative would be known worldwide as QTRMSTR EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURING...."

By all means, Google "QTRM5TR EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURING." That company, "known worldwide" acording to Jared, gets only a single page of hits - all from Jared or quoting Jared. The "world" seems to have failed to notice "QTRMSTR EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURING," including that part of the world where corporations are registered and licensed to do business, a requirement in all fifty states.

Jared again, doing his thing.
 
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Screwdriver said:
I would get a defense attorney to make sure that I am defended and not prosecuted based on lies or conjecture.

I am actually laughing that you would ask that question....Thanks!
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Why would you be worried about lies and conjecture if they are lies and conjecture. Unless you are just covering your bases because you dont understand the actual definitions of those terms. But hey, you were the one saying that its up to others to prove ones guilt and you have no responsibility to prove innocence. If all there is is lies and conjecture then a defense attorney seems like a waste of time and money if you are so firm in your convictions. I think if i have learned anything about you its that no matter what evidence or lack thereof is presented to you you will simply keep moving the goal post and changing your position as long as it helps confirm the narrative you have stuck in your head.
 
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Screwdriver said:
I am still waiting for proof that the knives are not made in the US. If they are proven to be lying about the country of origin then I hope they go under.

But since I did not start this line of questioning about their legitimacy, it is not on me to prove that they are in fact a US manufacturer.
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Denial, denial, denial.

You want proof of the negative but fail to provide any proof of what you contend to be true beyond Jared's unsupported word.

On the other paw, proof that there is no factory - just a residence in an area zoned for residences - where Jared claims he has his "state-of-the art" factory and museum IS affirmative proof that Jared has a problem with the truth - or with reality. Any judge would charge a jury that they may accept that proof as evidence that there is no factory where Jared says he has his factory.

Just as there is no record anywhere of an entity named "Quartermaster Knives," "QTRM5TR knives," or "Quartermaster Manufacturing Corporation."
 
JJHollowman said:
I'd like to hear from somebody that would know, because I don't, I'm the first to admit.

How much room would you need to churn out the QM inventory?
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A decent question, and an answer would be "enough room to store the crates from China, to open the crates from China, and to fill outgoing boxes to dealers."

But, were Jared believable, there is far, far more. Hidden in the single story ranch-style on Dripping Springs is a "new" "8,500 square foot state-of-the-art facility that was custom built from the ground up to accommodate their manufacturing needs. It houses multiple design studios, think tanks, medical-grade clean room and a 3 story-high knife museum."

Now, you may wonder how a three story museum and a "six acre" "8,500 foot facility could be inside a single family residence that is thousands of feet smaller than 8,500 foot and that sits on a normal house lot (according to public property records -- known to some as "flotsam" and conjecture"), but Jared commands technology beyond the present. He can, for example, make knives in his 8,500 foot facility with machinery physically located in China. Shazaam ! Multi-dimensional manufacturing.

(Jared, you erased the page from your site, but your grandiose claims live on in the Cloud. For the record:

"QTRM5TR was founded in 2012. The principals in the business have a combined 25 years of experience in aerospace and industrial design. At its inception, the goal of the QTRM5TR Knife Company is to design and develop a line of rugged, hand-crafted, American made knives in limited quantity but of ultimate quality. We viewed the knife market as it currently sits and declared that there was certainly room for a boutique producer of fine, tactical based knives.

We feel that our dedication to producing unique, domestically made items for real users will continue to set us apart from the competition for years to come. Our no-nonsense approach extends from our designs, well past our assembly processes and into our marketing practices. We don’t let anything sub-standard out of our doors, EVER and we won’t mince words about which customers we’d like to have: we’re QTRM5TR and we’re a knife built for a new generation of American Soldier.

The QTRM5TR Equipment Factory is located in Central Texas, at the gateway to hill country. Our facility is state-of-the-art in every way, its been custom built from the ground up to accommodate nearly every process that a modern manufactory would/could use. The 6-acre complex is under 24 hour surveillance using recently de-classified thermal imaging sensors. The 8,500 square foot facility is home to multiple design studios, think-tanks & a 3,000 sq ft shop floor. However, a medical-grade clean room and a 3 story-high knife museum with a biometric-scanner that allows/disallows access are likely to be considered the highlights of our facility. Though we don't create every last component of our final products (ie: Kydex sheaths, straps, packaging) we seek out partners from our local area to participate/benefit from our commerce. At QTRM5TR Equipment Mfg. providing you with the right tool for the job is only done well when we use the right tools for the job." -QTRM5TR Knives
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This will live forever at http://web.archive.org/web/201404140...m/aboutus.html

And .... it's invisible to normal human senses.
 
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The evidence is overwhelmingly not in Quartermaster's favor. I certainly won't be buying or recommending any of their knives, and hopefully more vendors will either stops selling them, or at least stop advertising them as USA made.
 
I'm curious, have we ruled out the possibility of the manufacturing facility actually being inside the post office box? Since no factory has actually been found after all these years, maybe it's time to look deeper. Like others, I really want to get past all this "speculation and conjecture." [emoji16]

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Since there is nothing new submitted as proof, I'll just stay with my opinion of no one knows for sure.

Have a great 2017!
 
"In our first year, QTRMSTR collaborated with Warren Thomas to produce “The Vaquita.” Shortly after the knife was introduced, we we’re asked by the NRA to produce a version of the knife that it’s members could purchase as a “user.” Introducing now; the QSE-4tt “Mr. Furley” a collaboration between the NRA and Quartermaster Equipment Mfg. Available directly from the NRA with a polished blade and serrated edge, or from us with a plain edge and “Texas Tea” finished blade: both with full Titanium frame-lock handles."

Google for "Quartermaster Equipment Manufacturing." One hit. No such entity. Not a registered trade name or business alias.
 
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