Quartermaster Knives....WTF

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Screwdriver said:
I am in that thread where that "proof" was submitted....here we are two years later and it is still conjecture. My argument still holds water.....

You should go back and read what I said then......
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Again, you need to check and see what conjecture actually means. Because it's become clear that you're just using it as a weak handwave to dismiss the available evidence without addressing any of it.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Again, you need to check and see what conjecture actually means. Because it's become clear that you're just using it as a weak handwave to dismiss the available evidence without addressing any of it.
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Nah....I am using it correctly.
con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər/
noun
noun: conjecture; plural noun: conjectures

1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
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Screwdriver said:
Nah....I am using it correctly.
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So how do any of the facts I pointed out fit that definition? You could argue that reaching a conclusion that they're made in China would fall under it, but any English teacher in America would fail you if you did.

Further note: Most definitions of conjecture are worded slightly differently, they typically contain the phrase 'without sufficient information.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
So how do any of the facts I pointed out fit that definition? You could argue that reaching a conclusion that they're made in China would fall under it, but any English teacher in America would fail you if you did.
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This would fall more under an applied logic class than an English class. I posted the correct definition, which would satisfy any English class.

So, show me one thing that is absolute proof that they make their products in China, or anywhere outside the US...
 
Insipid Moniker said:
So how do any of the facts I pointed out fit that definition? You could argue that reaching a conclusion that they're made in China would fall under it, but any English teacher in America would fail you if you did.

Further note: Most definitions of conjecture are worded slightly differently, they typically contain the phrase 'without sufficient information.
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Sufficient is subjective.
 
Screwdriver said:
I fixed it for you.
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You do realize post "fixing" is against the rules outside of the approptiate areas right? Either way, My side has provided real evidence. Your side simply denies its existence because of a lack of conviction in a court of law and because charges havent been filed. Believe what you want. I am convinced you are taking an opposing view for the sake of simply doing so so you can continue to argue.

Screwdriver said:
Name calling? Nice....:rolleyes:
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You arent exactly following the rules either so I dont know what you are complaining about.

Screwdriver said:
I am not defending them so much as calling out BS pretending to be facts.

But thanks for doubling down on the name calling.
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He isnt calling you a name. Now we see the problem here. You are simply skimming posts to disagree with things rather than reading and absorbing the information. Flat earthers i tell you. But again, as a strider fan I can see how someone would rather deny deny deny.
 
gpknives said:
i see our name mixed in these posts alot, however we stopped carrying the quartermaster line very early this year after some concerns about the origin of their products. The current listings on our website are priced pretty much at my cost to clear them out.

Like most of you, i've raised this question over and over with our distributor and have yet to see any real solid proof of where the knives are made.
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OUTSTANDING !!! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
Wunderbar said:
No pretending. Do some research. Like I said, I challenge you to prove their legitimacy.
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I am still waiting for proof that the knives are not made in the US. If they are proven to be lying about the country of origin then I hope they go under.

But since I did not start this line of questioning about their legitimacy, it is not on me to prove that they are in fact a US manufacturer.
 
Screwdriver said:
So gpknives had concerns, not proof.....

K.
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you really are just arguing to argue. Given how you have been since the start of this thread its obvious that even an admission of guilt on the behalf of jared would have you going " thats not proof because......". I really am starting to think you have a personal interest in the company. And no I have no proof as you define it.
 
Screwdriver said:
So gpknives had concerns, not proof.....

K.
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Valid concerns that were not met with sufficient response from the brand in question.

This thread is about concerns, not a complete conclusion.

Enthusiasts are concerned that that there is lacking legitimacy to the 100% USA-made claim that the company advertises. Some very questionable facts have surfaced, and there has been no response or effort to clarify from the brand in question. These questions have gone on long enough for some major distributors to no longer feel comfortable advertising the claim. This is a problem for consumers and Quartermaster. It needs to be addressed, or they will continue to suffer the consequences. Perhaps a formal investigation by FTC will eventually be conducted, and that would provide a final verdict, but until then, we will continue to ask questions and voice concerns, as it our right and duty.

I hope that you can respect the value of asking questions and perusing facts in a matter such as this.
 
Circumstantial cases are actually some of the strongest cases that can be made, in spite of what people hear on TV. Given the information that is in the public record, I would say that it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that at a time when they were claiming that their knives were USA Made, they weren't. Whether that is true on 1/1/17, is a different question, but it is a reasonable inference that it is.
 
Screwdriver said:
But since I did not start this line of questioning about their legitimacy, it is not on me to prove that they are in fact a US manufacturer.
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So if you were accused of a crime you surely would not get a "defense" attorney given you have to be proved guilty right. Yeah, im sure thats NOT how it works.
 
J85909266 said:
Valid concerns that were not met with sufficient response from the brand in question.

This thread is about concerns, not a complete conclusion.

Enthusiasts are concerned that that there is lacking legitimacy to the 100% USA-made claim that the company advertises. Some very questionable facts have surfaced, and there has been no response or effort to clarify from the brand in question. These questions have gone on long enough for some major distributors to no longer feel comfortable advertising the claim. This is a problem for consumers and Quartermaster. It needs to be addressed, or they will continue to suffer the consequences. Perhaps a formal investigation by FTC will eventually be conducted, and that would provide a final verdict, but until then, we will continue to ask questions and voice concerns, as it our right and duty.

I hope that you can respect the value of asking questions and perusing facts in a matter such as this.
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I agree with what you say. My whole point is that concerns should not be confused with facts. This whole subject was brought up years ago and I got involved because people took a concern as their basis to make it some kind of mission to destroy a company. When I first heard about Quartermaster, I was glad to see a new company make knives in the US and supported that, even though I felt the knives were ugly. I try my best to support US companies and when people started on this attack, the evedence that was laid out as proof made no sense because it was all based on heresay and opinion.

So here we are, two years later and it's the same old argument.
 
PURPLEDC said:
So if you were accused of a crime you surely would not get a "defense" attorney given you have to be proved guilty right. Yeah, im sure thats NOT how it works.
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I would get a defense attorney to make sure that I am defended and not prosecuted based on lies or conjecture.

I am actually laughing that you would ask that question....Thanks!
 
It's not hearsay that they order 1000's of pounds of stuff from China. It's not opinion that there is no factory at the address they claim as their location. It's neither opinion nor hearsay that two of their major dealers have been unable to obtain from them, after years of asking for it, sufficient proof of their USA Made claim to allow the dealers to be comfortable making the claim on their websites. It is very odd to willfully ignore evidence that is as plain as can be.
 
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