RAT E&E Kit

I've thought about getting a little silver (and possibly gold) stash going, but every outlet I encounter online or otherwise looks shady. What's the most legit way to go about aquiring silver/gold peices?

If you think about it, shit will have to be pretty deep and wide for people to begin using silver and gold as currency...I don't know anyone who would know what any denomination of silver and gold is actually "worth". I've done some reading on it but if I were handed a few peices of silver I coulden't tell you an estimated worth.
 
That's the problem Buddy, Joe Shit The Ragman and his buddy Richard Cranium (the guy with the pistol or the shank that's looking you over while you deal with his friend...) are going to give you a hard time about stuff. I really believe that if you want to go this route, you should consider purchasing plain wedding bands that are 10K or 14K, once you get a source, decide on which and don't mix and match...make sure they are plainly marked.

Everyone knows what a wedding band is basically worth and you could have a couple dozen of them in a kit like this for the cost of ONE HALF Oz. K-Rand or other Fractional. You just have to look around for those deals.
 
Good advice.

I always recommended against US and various other gold coins simply because, when the proverbial S Hs the F, the gold coin with "FIVE DOLLARS" stamped on it (that you paid $150 for) will have the buying power of. . .? That's right, FIVE DOLLARS.

I also advise against most coins because you pay more for any of them (that I know of) than the value by Troy ounce weight. So to say, you lose money when you sell it, unless it's to another collector. So if you want precious metals as precious metals, buying in bullion (the actual ingot, not "securities") would be the way to go.

BUT, like Don said, jewelry is the better way to go. Because you not only have the value to barter with, you have the "I wanna" value of the buyer to use. When bartering with a "have" for the stuff you "have not", you may get further with your pieces when Mr. Have's wife comes over and goes gaga over what you're trying to trade. :D

Why low carat value gold? How many people can tell the difference between 14K, 18K, and 24K? It isn't important if YOU can, it's only important if the guy you're trading to can. If he can't, he won't value your 24K gold any higher than 14K because when HE goes to use it, he doesn't want to get fleeced.
 
Precisely. I don't know if you looked at the prior page in this thread but that's why I said I don't like American Eagle gold coins for this purpose, they have values stamped on them that are going to cause problems in some cases.

In the same vein, 18, 22 and 24K jewelry is a washout. Just go with 10 or 14K and be done with it.

Depending on the situation and culture, if you can carry a couple packs of cigarettes, chocolate or good booze...these could help you out as well but could also get you into trouble for various reasons. That's more of a long term survival thing than E&E for the most part but a pack of good smokes, Hershey Bar and a half pint of good whiskey would have went A LONG way in WW2! :D
 
I think a Glock 19 with a few mags would take up less space than a bottle of whiskey!
Having spent time in a third world country I believe that smokes and chocolate would go further than gold anyway for dealing with locals. In my case any survival mess I would get into would more than likely be me crashing my mountain bike on a logging trail or poking my head into a snake den in N. Georgia!
 
I ain't trading a Glock! :D

Or do you mean instead of bartering, you just take what you need at gunpoint? Something to be said for that as well...as bad as it sounds...
 
Yeah I think worse comes to worse I would probably resort to that, I would TRY to avoid taking something that the person couldn't afford to be without or leave them stranded. Mainly for those assholes you know would hoard shit and charge an arm and leg for.
 
My Wife is asthmatic, if she needs Albuterol and someone who has it but doesn't use it then basically wants everything I have for it...well, it's not a nice picture. I truly believe in value for value, I also believe in survival.
 
I think a quid pro quo system is the only way any system should operate. Unfortunately it's not that way in today's society at all.

In an E&E or survival situation in a collapsed economy, anything of value will probably go a long way. Of course there will always be the thugs out there ready to take it from you also. And depending on how high-profile you are those chasing your ass may have a bigger reward on your head then your bartering ability can overcome.
 
My Wife is asthmatic, if she needs Albuterol and someone who has it but doesn't use it then basically wants everything I have for it...well, it's not a nice picture. I truly believe in value for value, I also believe in survival.

Don this is my favorite quote of the day :)
 
, anything of value will probably go a long way. Of course there will always be the thugs out there ready to take it from you also.

we've been turning $ into food lately. extra rice, canned goods, ect. i've been watching the price of rice go bonkers! one day i'll find it for $19 for a 25lbs the next time i hit sams club it's up to 25. the supermarkets are way worse w/ their prices too.

I've also started a stash of booze. I wish cigarettes didn't go bad b/c i'd stock them up too. I pretty much would do what it takes to have the upper hand if the SHTF. If it means stocking up on things we don't really NEED b/c it's a vice to someone else. I'll do it so long as I have the $ to buy it. It's not just me and the mr we have to worry about. We have the 3 girls protect and feed AT ALL COSTS! that's my job as a mom.

personally i think "things" will go further then money, jewelry,ect. yeah I might have some misc woman offer me her diamond ring for a few cups of rice but wtf is someone going to do w/ a diamond ring? LATER it might pay off, but living for later in that situation maybe just make it so you don't survive b/c you're worried about coming out on top when it's over.
 
Well, it's not something that's easy to talk about without sounding like a crook.

Yeah I understand completely. My youngest is a special needs kid, and if you asked me what I would to get his meds, the answer would be "what ever it takes". Period. Hard to say that without sounded like a thief, or worse, but it is the truth.
 
Yeah I understand completely. My youngest is a special needs kid, and if you asked me what I would to get his meds, the answer would be "what ever it takes". Period. Hard to say that without sounded like a thief, or worse, but it is the truth.

it's the parent in you......i think ANY parent would completely agree. we're fortunate to only periodically need meds for kaela and my best friend is a dr. so we're pretty stocked.
 
also think about salt for use and trade. it was used as money before. and a needed thing most people take for granted till you don't have it.

things i been putting up... cocoa, salt , rice, beans, seeds, whole grains, water filters , tools and ammo.also have canning supplies im slowly adding to and a new food dehydrater im working on. every year i add on , next year is mega gardening season.

i have a set up for making alcohol.... if needed or possible i could use local grain or stored.

for seeds , remeber they need a good shelf life, packed well. but also seeds for things like luffa. some seeds while you cant eat there fruits are equaly as useful.
 
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also think about salt for use and trade. it was used as money before. and a needed thing most people take for granted till you don't have it.

:thumbup: got that covered........spices too.. you're right it's the things that ppl have in their house all the time and don't buy unless they're out of it....if there's no $ to buy it or no where to buy it and you're out your screwed.
 
I'd like to mention coffee for the list of "things" we've got going. I'm sure there are ways to prolong it's shelf life, and every container of coffee I've seen in recent years of vaccum packed anyways. Making a few dozen smaller vaccum packed packages out of larger amounts would be a good idea I think.

I'm addicted bigtime and coffee would be on my "to get" list if stores were ransacked and my stash ran out...me an probably a million others.

I haven't gone a day in the past 10 or so years without coffee...I'm curious as to what would happen if I was cut off from it..
 
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If you are really addicted to caffeine and you go about 12 to 24 hours without it, you can usually expect a really good headache. :D
 
I wish cigarettes didn't go bad b/c i'd stock them up too.
You can stock up on tobacco, either in tins, which pretty much won't go bad, or in bulk and buy rolling papers (make sure you get the right kind of tobacco to roll as cigs, pipe tobacco doesn't go over well), or buy cigars or cigarellos (cigarette size cigars, but unlike cigarettes are made 100% from tobacco, like a cigar) and store them in a humidore. All you need is distilled water to keep them from drying out, and the tobacco gets better as it ages.

personally i think "things" will go further then money, jewelry,ect. yeah I might have some misc woman offer me her diamond ring for a few cups of rice but wtf is someone going to do w/ a diamond ring? LATER it might pay off, but living for later in that situation maybe just make it so you don't survive b/c you're worried about coming out on top when it's over.

Actually, right off the bat is when gold and jewelry will work. You have to use it before people give up hope of a swift return of the convienence economy. After that, Booze, smokes, TP and tampons will probably top the list, with coffee, tea and chocolate not far behind. Once people get used to living without luxuries, then staple items become important.


Most forums don't like to talk about it, but Jeff seems to be pretty cool about it, so here goes:
Sometimes you have to do bad things to bad people to survive. There's no way around it and most people the world over understand this. We're quite soft in this country and our system is so f-ed up it paints the criminal as the victim. But when I was hobo-ing for a while, I always made sure that if I was staying in an area for any period of time, that word got around to the homebums that I was a nice guy, and if I had something extra that they needed, it was theirs for the asking. But if you stole something I needed, but wouldn't die without, I'd mess you up -- as in not die, but you'd probably need a trip to the ER bad. If you took something that endangered my life -- say my sleeping bag in February -- if I found you, I'd kill you.

I quickly earned the reputation as the guy who could scrounge most anything (I might be destined to be a black market kingpin ;) ), the guy who'd give it if he could, but also the guy not to mess with.

Survival isn't fun, it isn't pretty, and I really hate it when discussion board commandos (no one here, yet) act like they wish it would happen, so they can go and run their own little world. They don't realize that they are far more likely to be the little fish than the shark.
 
I'll go w/ the tins. The whole distilled water bla bla bla. Its work. So the tins just sit in the pantry. Thanks for the idea!

I'm making a list of things to 'gather' next time I go to sams. The mr takes care of the weapons and I take care of the pantry. Works well.
 
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