Ripped off

That is a weird handle/tang design. Never seen anything like it, and I'm not surprised it broke if trying to baton it.

Some people like to purchase knives and put them on display or worse still, hide them in a box in the bottom drawer and only ever brought out to show off. Posers like that piss me off. I also think that's a waste of money.
On the other hand, some people don't deserve to have nice things.
 
That's unfortunate, but abuse warrants destruction. If you had been using the appropriate tool you would have certainly avoided this.
 
I have a Muela knife and I love it! I only use it to spread butter on my toast and it works marvelously! Every evening, I buff it with baby oil, then just sit there and watch it glow. It is the most beautiful thing! At night, I place it inside a padded case and lock it in the safe, where it is safe. :cool:

You, sir, are a knife abuser! You hit a helpless knife that cannot defend itself and take joy at doing that. How would you feel if someone bigger than you took a giant baton and hit you with it, again and again? Well, that's how the knife feels and you should know that!! :eek:

There's a special place in hell for you, right next to all the mean people who use their knives for cutting stuff!! :grumpy:
 
I have a Muela knife and I love it! I only use it to spread butter on my toast and it works marvelously! Every evening, I buff it with baby oil, then just sit there and watch it glow. It is the most beautiful thing! At night, I place it inside a padded case and lock it in the safe, where it is safe. :cool:

You, sir, are a knife abuser! You hit a helpless knife that cannot defend itself and take joy at doing that. How would you feel if someone bigger than you took a giant baton and hit you with it, again and again? Well, that's how the knife feels and you should know that!! :eek:

There's a special place in hell for you, right next to all the mean people who use their knives for cutting stuff!! :grumpy:
:thumbup: :D
 
'bout trashing knives...
it always pays to get a full tang knife
with an equally fully exposed tang that shows,
all just to be extra sure
about what exactly we're payin' for.
sympathize deeply about the loss.
but no sense in gettin' mad now, trash all has beens,
and move on to surer paths with greater confidence through all bitter lessons learnt.

It cost me AUD$120 which at the current exchange rate is $USD$120
 
Yes, that handle looks like a cast pot metal to me and as such, it is not so much a question of if it fails, rather when it fails. I don't even think that batonning is an issue, as I would expect that handle to fail with chopping as well.

So, I think the OP has a legitimate gripe where knife construction is concerned. As for his comments about collectors, I think an apology is in order.

You're right. Apologies to anyone I offended, but on the same token, those same knife collectors should also respect the way I treat my knives, especially when I purchase them with the intention of batoning through said wood.

For the record, it was ash

I still want to know if he was hammering on the handle. The guard is obviously metal, how did he break the top piece off if he wasn't hammering the handle? If you hammer on the handle of any knife, if it breaks, then its your fault. Period.

I was holding the handle in my left hand, putting downward pressure to keep the knife horizontal as I bashed the top spine with a piece of pine.

The guard was cut off and filed down for comfort reasons.
 
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still don't understand how the piece that broke can be located outside the area where you apply force. you apply force from the handle to the point of the blade where you hit. the piece broken is the rear end of the handle, it should not have broken here...
 
still don't understand how the piece that broke can be located outside the area where you apply force. you apply force from the handle to the point of the blade where you hit. the piece broken is the rear end of the handle, it should not have broken here...

That's the weakest point on the design.
 
Even if I was absolutely sure that I had a knife that was built for that type of excessive abuse, I most likely ended up paying out the @$$ for that kind of quality and wouldn't want to destroy it. At least not when there are other cheap alternatives built for that kind of abuse such as a machete. I understand the thought process behind wanting to have that indestructo use it for everything knife, but knives have their limits. I'll chopp on some wood with my KA Bar, but I understand that it is not an ax, and can only chop to a certain extent without a catostrophic failure.
 
Btw deluxe,

Let me welcome you to bladeforums. Glad to have you here. Stick around and enjoy, it really is a good place. There is a wealth of information here.
 
That's the weakest point on the design.

still don't get it there should be no force applied to the butt of the handle when batoning so weakest point or not there is no reason it broke here. my idea is that no one knows what you where doing when it happend but you where probably doing something wrong and tried to get approval here ... don't know why though ... broken blade is a batoning thing, broken knife at the guard or ricasso could be, broken handle butt no. no way.
 
boy if you paid that you got ripped off. the going rate for that knife the Muela knife mirage is around $60.00 us

buying any knife from an Australian dealer is just begging to get ripped off in a big way. the markups Australian retailers put on knives is horrific.

i'd like to buy locally and support aussie business, but i aint gonna pay AUD$250+ for a Fallkniven S1 i can get for AUD$160 elsewhere (that's including shipping from the states).

besides, a lot of the inventory on australian dealers shelves was bought when the AUD$ was at ~US$0.70 (currently sitting at around AUD$1 = US$0.98. not bad for a nation of 20 million people. if the US fixes it's banks and reigns in on the wall st cowboys, you too could have a strong currency once again :D)
 
Kind of pricey for 440A, and not being a full tang. Experience gleaned might be worth it. And for what...$70 or so...you've more knowledge than before.

Just looking for the silver lining. Won't be the last knife that disappoints you, though.
 
sorry the knife broke, that tang design looks like it leaves a bit to be desired (IMO) that being said i'm of the mindset that you have the right tool for the job emergency situations aside... I realize alot of guys baton with their knives but unless the manufacturer makes claims to that effect then i would hazard a guess that it wasnt intended to be used in that way, regardless of what anybody thinks. If Muela had advertised the fact that their knives where "tough enough to baton through stumps, car doors, marble, mount doom etc." then personally i'd be alot more upset about the situation. As it's presented here it is abuse.
The right tool for the job... plus it's an excuse to buy a hatchet or an axe;)
cheers
gene
 
Btw deluxe,

Let me welcome you to bladeforums. Glad to have you here. Stick around and enjoy, it really is a good place. There is a wealth of information here.

Thanks. I've been welcomed.

still don't get it there should be no force applied to the butt of the handle when batoning so weakest point or not there is no reason it broke here. my idea is that no one knows what you where doing when it happend but you where probably doing something wrong and tried to get approval here ... don't know why though ... broken blade is a batoning thing, broken knife at the guard or ricasso could be, broken handle butt no. no way.

Ugh, are you serious? How much more descriptive do I need to be? I don't even know if I should dignify that with a response. However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
I was holding the entire handle in my left hand, putting downward pressure along the entire handle, not just at the end and not just under the guard. Clearly as I was pushing down, that section that broke was the weakest part as I explained in the video.
 
sorry the knife broke, that tang design looks like it leaves a bit to be desired (IMO) that being said i'm of the mindset that you have the right tool for the job emergency situations aside... I realize alot of guys baton with their knives but unless the manufacturer makes claims to that effect then i would hazard a guess that it wasnt intended to be used in that way, regardless of what anybody thinks. If Muela had advertised the fact that their knives where "tough enough to baton through stumps, car doors, marble, mount doom etc." then personally i'd be alot more upset about the situation. As it's presented here it is abuse.
The right tool for the job... plus it's an excuse to buy a hatchet or an axe;)
cheers
gene

If the knife meets certain criteria that I am looking for in a knife, I couldn't care less what the marketing department spins up about what the knife is made to do. For all I know, they could tell me that the knife is designed to make my car go faster, but then when I inspect it, it doesn't have any of those properties. My point is, the knife should fit the job and a person should be able to find certain qualities or properties about a knife (or any product for that matter) that meet certain criterion for the intended use.
 
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