Ripped off

bigbadboom said:
yeah but the car didnt perform as advertised by the sales man. he said it was full tang was suitable for the buyers purpose ,, if you buy a tank thats meant to ram thru solid brick walls , but when ya do you find out its a cardboard pantomime tank , well the salesman led you down the proverbial garden path . he sold a knife clearly not designed for what the customer was looking for . Yeah knives are for cutting , but SOME knives are overbuilt for just that purpose.
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I agree with that statement, but who takes any salesman at face value. being a member of a forum like this is an amazing resource for real world reviews of knives. A little more research than "the salesman said so" can save yourself a lot of heart ache. I'm about to drop a few bucks on a MT combat troodon, and you best believe I have become very aware of this knives strong and weak points in it's class of knife. If it falls short for any reason it will be my own, and only my own fault.
 
Yeah , its evident the OP hasnt researched his tool or technique. The fact that he went and purchased a knife from a king of knives store says everything right there. They are notorious for charging INSANE prices. I think hes new to knives and just believed whatever he was told.
As someone from Oz I can tell this guy has a Australian urban accent with ethnic undertones , I'd bet he watched a bunch of North american oriented survival vids , went to the only knife shop he knew and headed right out to the of the city to destructo his knife. ( probly on the recent long weekend we just had)
 
The trolls are starting to emerge. I was how long it would take before they would rear their ugly heads in this thread.
 
bigbadboom said:
yeah but the car didnt perform as advertised by the sales man. he said it was full tang was suitable for the buyers purpose ,, if you buy a tank thats meant to ram thru solid brick walls , but when ya do you find out its a cardboard pantomime tank , well the salesman led you down the proverbial garden path . he sold a knife clearly not designed for what the customer was looking for . Yeah knives are for cutting , but SOME knives are overbuilt for just that purpose.
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I have a $10 S&W/China knife that could easily take this kind of use. I don't think it's too much to expect from a $70 (or whatever) 'tough-knife.' To use your analogy, it's like your car falling apart after hitting the first big pothole.
 
Wow the ignorance displayed in the thread is amazing. So many troll responses to a genuine request for help and advice is really off putting. I haven't seen this sort of thing since Lynn Thompson was brought up.

To those that think battoning wood with a knife, ANY fixed blade knife, is asking for trouble ought to throw that sort of rampant ignorance around in W&SS some time and see how far they get.

I prefer NOT to use an axe even when car camping and have one handy because it's safer, more precise and many times more a efficient use of energy.

To the OP - that's sucks that you broke your knife. Take it as a lesson well learned and one you can use to educate yourself more on the importance of research prior to purchase (yes I've heard muela knives are good too but I would still stay away from King of Knives unless you like being ripped off). Get yourself a kabar heavy bowie for a good, cheap and heavy duty work horse. If you want to spend a bit more a Cold Steel Recon Scout is an excellent splitter of wood.

Also on the technique of battoning, this is an invaluable read:

www.barkriverknives.com/docs/batoning.pdf
 
bigbadboom said:
Yeah , its evident the OP hasnt researched his tool or technique. The fact that he went and purchased a knife from a king of knives store says everything right there. They are notorious for charging INSANE prices. I think hes new to knives and just believed whatever he was told.
As someone from Oz I can tell this guy has a Australian urban accent with ethnic undertones , I'd bet he watched a bunch of North american oriented survival vids , went to the only knife shop he knew and headed right out to the of the city to destructo his knife. ( probly on the recent long weekend we just had)
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What? Can you please explain this statement?

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HandofCod said:
Wow the ignorance displayed in the thread is amazing. So many troll responses to a genuine request for help and advice is really off putting. I haven't seen this sort of thing since Lynn Thompson was brought up.

To those that think battoning wood with a knife, ANY fixed blade knife, is asking for trouble ought to throw that sort of rampant ignorance around in W&SS some time and see how far they get.

I prefer NOT to use an axe even when car camping and have one handy because it's safer, more precise and many times more a efficient use of energy.

To the OP - that's sucks that you broke your knife. Take it as a lesson well learned and one you can use to educate yourself more on the importance of research prior to purchase (yes I've heard muela knives are good too but I would still stay away from King of Knives unless you like being ripped off). Get yourself a kabar heavy bowie for a good, cheap and heavy duty work horse. If you want to spend a bit more a Cold Steel Recon Scout is an excellent splitter of wood.

Also on the technique of battoning, this is an invaluable read:

www.barkriverknives.com/docs/batoning.pdf
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Thanks for the pdf. It was a good read but to me, it seems a little obvious. I read through the first few pages then realised where he was going with the rest of it. He basically says that in order to stop your knife from breaking while battoning it through some wood, you should hold it straight.

I think that anyone that understands the concept of moments, impact forces and a bit of energy transfer should understand how to baton correctly. It's not rocket science.
 
Im just saying I can hear from his accent that he's a city guy , nothing wrong with that , but city folks going bush allways seem to have gear failures.

I hope I didnt offend the OP , maybe I come off like a Troll , I dont mean it to. Look at the design of the knife , its clearly not meant for baton use , but you couldnt have known that the guy in the shop should have steered you to the correct tool , thats why I think they owe you a refund. He even said it was full tang when its not. Refund.
 
did the knife maker say you can take a hammer to our knife and it wont brake?? I dont think so. go out and buy the right tool for the right job.
 
richard thurman said:
did the knife maker say you can take a hammer to our knife and it wont brake?? I dont think so. go out and buy the right tool for the right job.
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What, like a knife?

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bigbadboom said:
Im just saying I can hear from his accent that he's a city guy , nothing wrong with that , but city folks going bush allways seem to have gear failures.

I hope I didnt offend the OP , maybe I come off like a Troll , I dont mean it to. Look at the design of the knife , its clearly not meant for baton use , but you couldnt have known that the guy in the shop should have steered you to the correct tool , thats why I think they owe you a refund. He even said it was full tang when its not. Refund.
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Heh, you don't need to analyse my voice to know I'm a city man. You can see my uni schedule stuck to my desk. As for city folk going bush having gear failures, it could just as easily happen to someone who lives in the country.
It's too late to get a refund now. I've effectively made the knife mine by slicing open the handle and cutting off the guard and filing it down. The shop owner appeared to know what he was talking about, clearly he didn't. I'm just going to have to swallow my loss on this one.
Also, apology accepted.

HandofCod said:
What, like a knife?
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I've had my eyes set on one of them for who knows how long. Maybe now is the time with a broken handle and all and a weak usd/strong aud.
 
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HandofCod said:
Wow the ignorance displayed in the thread is amazing. So many troll responses to a genuine request for help and advice is really off putting. I haven't seen this sort of thing since Lynn Thompson was brought up.

To those that think battoning wood with a knife, ANY fixed blade knife, is asking for trouble ought to throw that sort of rampant ignorance around in W&SS some time and see how far they get.

I prefer NOT to use an axe even when car camping and have one handy because it's safer, more precise and many times more a efficient use of energy.

To the OP - that's sucks that you broke your knife. Take it as a lesson well learned and one you can use to educate yourself more on the importance of research prior to purchase (yes I've heard muela knives are good too but I would still stay away from King of Knives unless you like being ripped off). Get yourself a kabar heavy bowie for a good, cheap and heavy duty work horse. If you want to spend a bit more a Cold Steel Recon Scout is an excellent splitter of wood.

Also on the technique of battoning, this is an invaluable read:

www.barkriverknives.com/docs/batoning.pdf
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Actually, if you go post this in W&SS you'll get about the same response. Trust me, it's been done. Try running a search on the topic. Regardless, just because a collective group of people believe something doesn't make it true. But, nice job jumping the gun calling people ignorant, and then following up by calling them trolls. Pot calling the kettle black. Anyways, we'll all submit to your superior knowledge of all things outdoors. Cool?
 
richard thurman said:
hey the knife was not meant to be used as a ax. it is not meant to be used as a prybar. he is a very very very stupid person and we should take all of his knifes away so he wont hurt him self. give him a plastic knife to play with until he has more brains than a rock.
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you are out of line calling people stupid in a forum.
 
HandofCod said:
Wow the ignorance displayed in the thread is amazing. So many troll responses to a genuine request for help and advice is really off putting. I haven't seen this sort of thing since Lynn Thompson was brought up.

To those that think battoning wood with a knife, ANY fixed blade knife, is asking for trouble ought to throw that sort of rampant ignorance around in W&SS some time and see how far they get.

I prefer NOT to use an axe even when car camping and have one handy because it's safer, more precise and many times more a efficient use of energy.

To the OP - that's sucks that you broke your knife. Take it as a lesson well learned and one you can use to educate yourself more on the importance of research prior to purchase (yes I've heard muela knives are good too but I would still stay away from King of Knives unless you like being ripped off). Get yourself a kabar heavy bowie for a good, cheap and heavy duty work horse. If you want to spend a bit more a Cold Steel Recon Scout is an excellent splitter of wood.

Also on the technique of battoning, this is an invaluable read:

www.barkriverknives.com/docs/batoning.pdf
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well put...sad that someone earnestly posts a problem and gets a lot of flak. this is a knife "community"?
 
deluxewarplaya said:
You're right. Apologies to anyone I offended, but on the same token, those same knife collectors should also respect the way I treat my knives, especially when I purchase them with the intention of batoning through said wood.
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I'm a firm believer in the old adage "use the right tool for the right job".
If you want to split logs then get a log-splitter, not a knife.

Using a knife to baton through wood WILL eventually damage the knife in some manner.
It's just a matter of time.
You might baton through a thousand pieces of wood before it damages the knife, or it might damage the knife on the very first piece.
Batoning with a knife is a crap-shoot....
you roll the dice and you take your chances.

But remember this:
If you ever find yourself in a real life survival situation, your knife is probably the most valuable item that you might have.
Treat it as if your life depends upon it....because it just might.
Be careful in the manner that you use it and don't do something that is likely to break it.


Allen
 
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